It Was NOT The Last Supper...

[._.]

The "Christians", and I use the term loosely, need to get a grip.

[Dave Bowman]

1. "The headless woman was Marie Antoinette. She ruled over France and

was found guilty of treason, conspiracy, and stealing from the country."

So many things in common with Lardo Loco.

[LisaM]

17. She did not rule over France.

That was Louis XVI. I really dislike when memes have these errors. There is no point, especially when you're scolding people for being uneducated.

[BComplex]

30. She was married to the king, Louis XVI, and was Queen, and therefore was also a ruler over France.

They didn't like how she ruled along side her husband. That's why they had her beheaded, along with him.

Queens are also considered rulers in most of those situations.

[LisaM]

37. I know who she was, I have multiple biographies of her.

She was not the monarch, and she didn't rule over all of France.

[BComplex]

38. So do I.

We'll just have to disagree on how things were perceived in France at the time.

[LisaM]

39. Yes, we will.

I find that meme terribly annoying and misleading. It's like saying Anne Boleyn ruled England.

[Escurumbele]

50. Not true, it was a mob that went crazy, it was a violent mob, just like the one on January 6, 2021 who dirtied the

walls of the capitol with their own crap, and had Pence, or any politicians, come out, they would have hanged them, or killed them in any way they could.

There is a very interesting book, which I gave away and now I am trying to find it but cannot remember the name, tough search, but it talks about mobs and the effect they have on people who some have led a life of peace, have been volunteers at their church, helping anyone they can, but while being part of a mob become crazy like everyone else and end up committing crimes they never thought they would or could, and that is why Marie Antoinette was killed, the mob wanted blood.

[TheBlackAdder]

62. A mob that was riled up by the bourgeois who were trying to convert their wealth into political power.

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These nouveau riche assholes did not know how to run a government, just to destroy it.
Their tinkering plunged France into 100 years of chaos and severely weakened the country.

Much like today's Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and others. Wealthy and politically ignorant fucks!

All they know how to do is destroy government, not to build upon the greatness, acting as stewards for the future.

Political and government changes must be gradual and tested. They can't be sudden whims or untested plans.
Notice how there is not one functioning government based on Libertarian principles. Two were tried and both failed.
There is a reason for that. Libertarianism is a flawed mentality and a perverted non-viable political principle.

[Progressive dog]

66. Marie Antionette was quenen consort of France.

She was wife of the king, she did not rule. She was the king's companion.

[Polly Hennessey]

61. And also Louis XVI helped the Americans during the

Revolutionary War.

[Escurumbele]

49. This is a topic I have tried to not get into but, Putin, Maduro, Kim Jun Un, and other dictators have

also made sham trials to accuse people of wrongdoing which they obviously did not do, to prosecute them in many different forms, the guillotine was the preferred choice at the time in France. To understand the "French Revolution" one must read extensively what that revolution was about, but that is not the case.

The Olympic show had very little to do with the games, the choreographer obviously wanted to make a point about LGBTQ which does not have a place in the Olympics. I am all for freedom of speech, for art, and for people being happy doing the things that make them happy, but respecting others is part of allowing people to be happy.

The skit where this young people meet at the library and then decide to have a threesome is nothing about love, they just met, all they wanted to do was to have sex. How does that equate with the Olympics?

I am sure many here, and I know it because I have read some of the posts, will disagree with me, which is fine, but the themes that were chosen for the opening were wrong, lacked decency and many had nothing to do with athletics. The Olympics is about celebrating Athleticism, not sex.

If Christians (I am not one by the way) were offended, or if anyone was offended (plenty did) then you have not done your job, even if the reference was about something else which by the way, the original painting does not have transsexual people in it.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

59. Also, it was not the Last Supper. It was a depiction of an ancient Greek Bacchanal...

Link to tweet

Appropriated from another post.

Dear friends,
The headless woman was Marie Antoinette. She ruled over France and was found guilty of treason, conspiracy, and stealing from the country.

Also, it was not the Last Supper. It was a depiction of an ancient Greek Bacchanal… because, you know, the Olympics are ancient and Greek. Surprise!

And if you didn’t know, a Bacchanalia is an uncontrollably promiscuous, extravagant, and loud party. The parties often spanned several days which honored the god of wine, Bacchus (the blue guy covered in grape vine). He is also known as Dionysus, the Greek god of fertility, later known as the god of wine and pleasure.

And finally, it was not Death on a pale horse. It was Sequana, Goddess of the Seine, the River in which the boat precession took place. She was meant to be the representation of the Olympic spirit and of Sequana.

If some of you weren’t so busy trying to end the Dept. of Education, you might know this.

Loosen the clutch on your pearls and get your panties pulled out of your A** 😉

Yours truly,
Lady Francis

[soldierant]

75. Except that

she was most likely innocent of all of that It was misogyny that did her in

Interestiglly,she is one of the few people in that time period that we can be reasonably certain was not a racist. She wanted and tried to appoint Joseph de Boulogne, Chevalier Saint George, as the director of the Paris Opera. Unfortunately,a bunch of divas complained to her that they would not be directed by a "mulatto." You can't run an opera house with o divas, so it was either give in or lose opera entirely. He did remain a close friend of hers.

[hatrack]

2. Thank you!

I guess when everything is All Jesus All The Time in the Church Of I'M SO PERSECUTED!! it's hard to make room in one's tiny mind for the classical culture which had existed for centuries before The Dude Himself even arrived.

[TNNurse]

7. Or why learn when you can rant and complain in ignorance????

[Joinfortmill]

3. Cool

[brewens]

4. I've been giving Jesus MAGAts crap by posting a pic of King James and saying he would fit right in.

Imagine portraying one of ol' Jimbo's parties without casting a few drag queens! Not a chance. LOL

[BoRaGard]

5. republicans have been juicing The Lie about this

just like they juice other lies.

They are the Most Fake christians of all time.

[rubbersole]

14. And their orange jesus....

....looks at the Ten Commandments as a "To Do" list.

[Susan Calvin]

6. Also the god of theater. nt

[AllaN01Bear]

8. thank you. love the last part. or mind your own beeswax.

[Farmer-Rick]

9. The myth of

Christianity did steal a lot of iconic symbols, tableaux and ideas from the religious myths that came before it.

[whathehell]

19. As did the "myth" of every other religion and culture.

No man (woman, religion, culture) is an island.

[The Magistrate]

28. With The Added Twist, Sir

Of claiming the pre-existing traditions they took over had all along been demonic counterfeits of the Christian practices to come....

These are people who live in a deeply weird world.

[GoCubsGo]

10. Thank you. Was wondering about the whole horse thing.

I wasn't aware of Sequana, and didn't catch any sort of explanation of it when I was watching. That's not to say there was one. I had assumed the whole Dionysus thing was just people out having a good time, minus the whole ancient Greece angle. "The Last Supper" never even occurred to me. It actually struck me more as the judge panel on a TV game show, like "The Voice" or "The Masked Singer."

[allegorical oracle]

16. The French have a long history of working with and adoring all things equestrian. The

Sequana episode was explained during opening ceremony. The French long ago developed an entire horse training regimen called Haute Ecole or High School. The dressage portion of the Games is based in that training. Once a horse and rider have developed those skills they are equipped for battle or pleasure.

[dickthegrouch]

70. Someone at NBC actually explained something??

Jeez, they’ll be showing athletes from other countries next.

(just about)

[Buns_of_Fire]

11. "Never let an opportunity to be offended by something pass you by."

I think that's one of the New Commandments (King Trump Edition).

[Emile]

12. Microphone drops! K&R

[hatrack]

13. And even if it were, it would be nothing new . . .

In the relatively liberal and tolerant culture of medieval Europe, learned persons produced tremendous diversity in written texts. Just as classical Arabic culture produced raucous satire, medieval European culture produced bizarre animal stories providing vitally important teaching, vigorous works of men’s sexed protest, heartwarming stories of husbands’ loving concern for their wives, and many other texts scarcely conceivable today. Benefiting from medieval freedom of speech, medieval authors further wrote outrageous parodies of sacred liturgy and even of women.

Medieval liturgical parodies centered on drinking and gambling. Celebrants in parodic liturgy honored Bacchus, the traditional Greco-Roman god of wine, and Decius and Dolium, invented gods of dice and the cask of wine, respectively. The celebrants are compulsively driven to drink and gamble to excess. As a result, they get miserably drunk, groan, and commonly lose their clothes from losing bets.

I confess to Almighty God, to blessed Mary ever Virgin, to blessed Michael the Archangel to blessed John the Baptist, to the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, to all the Saints, and to you, brethren, that I have sinned exceedingly in thought, word, and deed: through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault. Therefore I beseech blessed Mary ever Virgin, blessed Michael the Archangel, blessed John the Baptist, the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, all the Saints, and you, brethren, to pray for me to the Lord our God.

Or . . .

I confess to the Cask, to King Bacchus and to all his cups taken up by us, that I, a drinker, have drunk exceedingly while standing, sitting, watching, waking, gambling, and inclining toward the cup, and in losing my clothes, through my drunkenness, through my drunkenness, though my most extreme drunkenness. Therefore I beseech you, solemn drinkers and diners, to pray devotedly for me.

In the parodies, liturgy is transformed to be consistent with excessive drinking and gambling. In the parodic penitential act (confession), the phrase “through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault {mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa}” becomes “through my drunkenness, through my drunkenness, though my most extreme drunkenness {mea crapula, mea crapula, mea maxima crapula}.” Many other liturgical expressions are similarly transformed:

the most common exchange of the Mass Dominus vobiscum / Et cum spiritu tuo (The Lord by with you / And with your spirit) becomes Dolus vobiscum / Et cum gemitur tuo (Fraud be with you / And with your groan). The prompt to prayer Oremus (Let us pray) becomes Potemus (Let us drink) or Ploremus (Let us cry). Laus tibi Christe (Praise to you, Christ), a response pronounced after the Gospel, becomes the anti-peasant quip Fraus tibi, rustice (Fraud to you, peasant). The words of the preface Dignum et iustum est (It is fitting and right) become either Vinum et mustum est (There is wine and must) or Merum et mustum est (There is unmixed wine and must). Amen becomes stramen (straw); Alleluia becomes allecia (herring); and certain transitional words are subtly altered — ideo (thus) becomes rideo (I laugh). The titles of liturgical books are also changed, turning the Letter of Paul to the Hebraeos (Hebrews) into the letter to the Ebrios (drunkards). … The introduction to the Pater noster, Audemus dicere (We dare to say) becomes Audemus bibere (We dare to drink), and the first line is changed from Pater noster, qui es in caelis (Our Father, who is in Heaven) to Potus noster, qui est in cyphy (Our drink, which is in the cup). [3]

EDIT

https://www.purplemotes.net/2020/01/05/medieval-parodies-liturgy/

[Arne]

29. Yesterday I spent some time searching for that Latin.

As a young alter boy the church was just switching to English.
I couldn't remember the responses.
Thanx.

[Siwsan]

15. I have zero interest in the Olympics but now I wish I had watched this opening ceremony!!!

All of my interest disappeared when they started allowing professionals to compete. Kind of went against what I thought was the heart of the Olympics.

But, that's just me. I certainly understand and respect other's interest.

Maybe I'll look around on YouTube to see what I can find.

[LisaM]

18. It definitely evoked a PAINTING of the Last Supper.

And it had a little Bacchus thrown in. I am Catholic and it didn't offend me in the least. I liked the intent of tolerance and inclusion.

But the painting of the Last Supper isn't the Last Supper itself. It's a highly symbolic interpretation. If there was a Last Supper, it likely looked very little like that.

[eppur_se_muova]

22. Ever wonder why everyone is sitting on the same side of the table ?

It made a better painting. Nothing realistic there.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

35. Because Leonardo was on the other side of the table painting them, Duh!

[yorkster]

41. He was Painter to the Court of Christ.

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A few years later, Francis 1 brought him to
Amboise where he lived out his life, creative to the end.
Leonardo did affirm that his time with Jesus and the Gang of Twelve had been
" a most interesting period in my life".

[Mr.Bill]

40. This reminds me of an old joke.

On the evening of the last supper, Christ and his 12 disciples went looking for a restaurant that could accomidate them. Without reservations, they had trouble finding a place that could. After a long search, they finally found an eatery that could, but the hostess told them "We can accomidate all 13 of you, but the table is on an aisle, so you will all have to sit on one side of it."

[JoseBalow]

51. Explained...

[forgotmylogin]

45. Every theater person knows...

When you stage a large "dinner" at a table, you pretty much have to put all the participants on the upstage side facing the audience.

Similarity does not always imply intention.

If you've got a large group of people behind a table, it's going to evoke the Last Supper pretty much no matter what you do. Take a look at this picture from the musical Matilda. It's a birthday party but sure, out of context you could say it resembles the Last Supper.

https://criticalconfabulations.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/broadway-theatre-review-matilda-the-musical/

Every large thanksgiving dinner resembles the Last Supper. Every board room meeting at a long table resembles the Last Supper. The chest-bursting scene in ALIEN during a meal looks like the Last Supper.

[lonely bird]

58. I liked Mel Brooks version in History of the World

And also the one from M.A.S.H movie.

[FreeState]

63. Completely wrong

It’s a copy of a painting called the Feast of the Gods.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTNQHDunw/

[wendyb-NC]

20. That is priceless

Thanks, for posting that. I didn't get to watch the opening ceremonies. I read that there were reports in the media, some "Christians" in the community at large, found the imagery offensive, because they felt it mocked religion. Well wouldn't you know. Great response from Lady Francis

[Comfortably_Numb]

21. Xns, magats, and worst of all, magat "Xns" so quick to get butt hurt. Snowflake mofos always have to make it about them

[malaise]

23. Ignorant fool should

Can’t help then

[chouchou]

24. Ha! Well, frankly..I'll just be upset and speak my mind and do my best to find ...

....some other societal misstep, so I can moan and gripe like a banshee....yes sir!

[NoSheep]

25. my friend pointed out the hypocrites are CINOs...yes they are

Christians In Name Only

[Kali]

26. then why the apologies?

why not explain? or not. either way, these whining morons who call other people snowflakes can just fuck off.

[Iggo]

27. "The Last Supper" isn't the last supper, either.

It’s a pop culture depiction. Are they offended by that, too?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

31. "If you weren't so busy trying to end the Dept of Education, you might know this". Bingo. . . .nt

[calimary]

72. YEAH.

[liberalla]

32. Thank you Lady Francis!

"If some of you weren't so busy trying to end the Dept. of Education, you might know this."

[calimary]

73. Hell Yeah!!!

[ananda]

33. Whoa, that was awesome! Last part really hits home.

"If some of you weren't so busy trying to end the
Dept of Education, you might know this."
"

[joanbarnes]

34. This was served on a platter to a tRumpy Christian relative.........by someone else

... tRumper STILL argued it insulted Christianity!

[dawg]

36. Dear Republicans,

Don't like the weird blue dude? Then just don't look at him.

It's that easy.

We don't own the Olympics.

[UTUSN]

42. K&R. Mythvision Podcast (Derek LAMBERT) on YouTube provides tons of this info

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In the past few years I’ve been studying via The University of YouTube, a very large component of which has been modern scholarship of the emergence of Christianity, which turns on its head what we all grew up with. A main thread has been how both Testaments were written in a particularly Greek world, with the literary models of Homer, myths and legends being rewritten into the Bible. So the French put on their spectacular show incorporating educated, literary references including the one that uneducated wingnut fundamentalists (who are very UNchristian) think supposedly mocks the Last Supper. I had already seen a dozen or more videos about Dionysus being one of the several gods of some different cultures that Jesus was based on (death and resurrection), last suppers and bread/wine. So, no, today’s outraged “christians” are wrong again about THEIR being mocked. Now, the part with the beheaded Marie Antoinette might be justified as her representing symbolically the threat to democracy, am looking at Kathy GRIFFIN's posing with Drumpf's head.

So there’s a BBC clip with a panel (all Brits), excoriating over this “last supper” their ancient enemies, the French, one dude calling them “obnoxious, rude, stupid, started the Vietnam war, never funny” and more. Actually for a couple of centuries after 1066 the “Brits” were Normans and spoke French. And modern Brits put a distance between themselves and Americans, saying, “We are Europeans.”

My takeaway impressions were the erudite references of the whole spectacle, Celine’s pulling off the performance after all we’ve heard has been how ill she has been, and how the French merely stand with simple dignity for La Marsellaise with their hands at their sides and only put the hand to heart at the end while American civilians do hand-heart throughout the anthem.

[Mblaze]

43. Ignorance is the rock

On which American Christian Nationalists built their church.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

44. More precisely, imo, belligerent ignorance.

Read that phrase somewhere to describe MAGAts and thought it was perfect!

[Mblaze]

68. It sounds right to me.

Hell no, we ain't learning' nothing.

[poozwah]

46. so what?

so the christshuns are offended, who cares? they should be more offended by the blasphemy that is donald trump.

[gulliver]

47. It does show you where MAGA lostie mindsets are

It kind of amazes me that we think their being "wrong" is the most important thing. Nope. It's their being on their last nerve. The being wrong is just them trying to rationalize voting for Trump and skipping any and all homework. And Trump loves this orgy of anger that he feeds with lies, stage hypnotism voice, and pseudo-religion. Pretty revolting.

[BrianTheEVGuy]

48. Typical American conservatives

They center everything around themselves and their own culture and context. Because they're so ignorant and poorly educated, they're reactionary about everything they are ignorant about (which is most things). Because they're conservatives, they cannot function in life without having something to both hate and fear.

No explanation will suffice for them, because they're conservatives -- which means they're proudly ignorant. Being stupid and refusing to learn and grow is core to their identity, because if they did either of those things, they'd no longer be angry and hateful all the time.

[Deuxcents]

52. Ugly Americans.

[BrianTheEVGuy]

54. Body and soul. NT

[piddyprints]

53. The real reason they're upset:

They still think it was, but TFG was not playing Jesus.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

55. Some Christians desperately need to get educated.

They're a danger to everyone including themselves.

[tornado34jh]

56. France has always been secular and anti-clericalism (i.e. opposed to religious authority)

Yes, most are Roman Catholic, but I don't think I have heard them complaining about it. The ones complaining are probably not from France.

[SpankMe]

57. Conspiracy theorist assholes

Leave it to RW'ers to interpret everything they see as a sleight against them. These paragons of self-reliance and critics of "snowflake-dom" always position themselves as victims.

Only terrorism is a more pathetic personal and cultural philosophy.

As for the alleged sexual themes in the opening ceremonies - these are the French, not the Saudis. French culture is notorious for erotic or sexual themes in everything. When I visited France in my early 20's, I noted that they ran softcore porn on broadcast television late at night.

Loosen the grip on your pearls, indeed.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

60. It wasn't the last supper. It was the feast of Dionysus,

Link to tweet

[DENVERPOPS]

64. For them, it pays to be ignorant

that way, they never have to think for themselves.........Really apparent these days, just look at Trump. Makes me wonder how he, and many other Republican Politicians ever graduated the third grade......

[Hassler]

65. Don Jr is one of the outraged "Xtians"

The guy shacking up with whatever Kimberly Guilfoyle is these days.

[Dem4life1234]

67. They just want to find something to bitch about France

[raising2moredems]

69. most who claim to be "christian"

are weak in their faith. No way could any of them put it all on the line for their professed "religion". Get a grip is all I can say. Their time could be spent helping those less fortunate but they have little appetite to do so.

[purr-rat beauty]

71. Religion....

....it's the self-persecutor

[prodigitalson]

74. too bad

[B.See]

77. Dem said: "They just want to find something to bitch about France"

Exactly. MAGAts are pissed that France put down a fascist uprising. So understandably their opening ceremonies were designed to 1) honour their history and 2) celebrate DIVERSITY, TOLERANCE, AND INCLUSION.

Notions that many claim to believe in but maybe some don't. Certainly not Trump and his MAGA disciples, that's for sure. And diversity is what the Olympics are all ABOUT.

Re. the so-called offensive scenes? Hey, I'm Catholic and found nothing offensive about it. In fact, didn't particularly recall having even seen them. Tho maybe I'd glanced away for a second to look at some porn.

(jk. thems JOKES, y'all)

[anniebelle]

78. Fake Christians

These faux Christians are always in an uproar over something. They don't seem to be outraged over this most un-Christian candidate, tRump.

[Zoomie1986]

79. They're not fake

Please don't try to gaslight people this way.

[ProfessorGAC]

80. Care To Elaborate?

Seems awfully condescending without further exposition.
Also, how is an opinion "gaslighting"?

[Iggo]

81. Just because they're bad Xians doesn't mean they're fake.

To the rest of us, they’re all too real.