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WarGamer

(15,945 posts)
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 01:44 PM 10 hrs ago

Trump doesn't need to invade, threaten or coerce Greenland.

Last edited Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:20 PM - Edit history (1)

In fact, just talking about it has brought it closer to reality.

To summarize.

There is and HAS been an active Independence movement in Greenland. They can separate from Denmark via a national referendum.

I guess there hasn't been enough support to do it... UNTIL Trump started talking. Now they're hoping for a referendum THIS YEAR.

Greenland independence breaks it away from Denmark... and the US wants to be there to become their "new best friend"

New military bases... resource extraction... those 60,000 people will become quite wealthy.

It might not become a State, per se... but it will have the same effect.

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Trump doesn't need to invade, threaten or coerce Greenland. (Original Post) WarGamer 10 hrs ago OP
Just curious, does Greenland have universal healthcare? SouthernCal_Dem 10 hrs ago #1
I said they'd be an independent country... why would they adopt American Gov't policies? WarGamer 10 hrs ago #4
"I said they'd be an independent country" SouthernCal_Dem 9 hrs ago #6
Yes, but... Bonx 9 hrs ago #19
If Greenland doesn't like being a colony of Denmark they sure won't like being a colony of the US. Ocelot II 10 hrs ago #2
Clearly an independent Greenland will have a number of suitors. WarGamer 10 hrs ago #3
True ck4829 10 hrs ago #5
Really? atreides1 9 hrs ago #7
Denmark is... WarGamer 9 hrs ago #8
Thank you for the clarification BannonsLiver 9 hrs ago #10
More backdoor pro Trump nonsense. Kingofalldems 9 hrs ago #9
On brand BannonsLiver 9 hrs ago #11
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer 9 hrs ago #12
And then the obligatory response followed by self delete. Kingofalldems 9 hrs ago #13
I'm not surprised BannonsLiver 9 hrs ago #14
hmmmm WarGamer 9 hrs ago #17
Is that the sound a Tesla makes before it cooks off? BannonsLiver 9 hrs ago #18
Greenland isn't in the Denmark fan club DeepWinter 9 hrs ago #15
Wouldn't it be Danish rule? BannonsLiver 9 hrs ago #16
The referendum in question would establish a sovereign country. WarGamer 4 hrs ago #21
So will the US pick up the tab to subsidize Greenland's government and public services? thucythucy 8 hrs ago #20
Spare me this malaise 4 hrs ago #22
Iceland wants independence... WarGamer 4 hrs ago #23

SouthernCal_Dem

(942 posts)
1. Just curious, does Greenland have universal healthcare?
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 01:51 PM
10 hrs ago

If so, I wonder how they'd feel about trading their healthcare for American gun violence.

I know most Canadians were opposed when Trump floated Canada as the 51st state.

WarGamer

(15,945 posts)
4. I said they'd be an independent country... why would they adopt American Gov't policies?
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 01:54 PM
10 hrs ago

Bonx

(2,257 posts)
19. Yes, but...
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:58 PM
9 hrs ago

Services included:
Medical treatment: Free doctor and specialist visits, hospital stays, and nursing care
Dental care: Free emergency dental treatment, and some free dental care for residents
Vaccinations: Free vaccinations within the vaccination program
Transportation: Free transportation to the nearest hospital for prescribed treatments that aren't available locally
Special care: Free care for pregnant women and new parents
Services that may have extra costs:
Aids and appliances: Residents may need to pay a portion of the cost for prosthetics or glasses
Specialized dental treatment: Specialized dental treatment is not available at the National Dentistry
What to expect:
The healthcare system may not be able to provide the same services as European healthcare systems
Some places may only offer minor consultations
Remote areas may have staff shortages at clinics
Medical emergencies may require evacuation to Iceland or Denmark

Ocelot II

(121,931 posts)
2. If Greenland doesn't like being a colony of Denmark they sure won't like being a colony of the US.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 01:51 PM
10 hrs ago

Greenland actually wants greater EU involvement.

Greenland wants a stronger EU presence over the territory's critical raw materials needed to build new clean energy technologies such as solar panels and batteries, Aaja Chemnitz, a member of the Danish parliament for Greenland's left-wing Inuit Ataqatigiit (IA) separatist party, told Euronews.

"We (IA) would like to see the EU much more engaged when it comes to rare earths. We know that 73% of everything the EU needs when it comes to rare earths can be found in Greenland, and right now we have more or less a Chinese monopoly when it comes to rare earths," she pointed out, seeing an opportunity for the EU to invest in this area.

In recent years, the EU has pushed for greater cooperation with the island on energy and rare earths, and Commission President Ursula von der Leyen visited the island last March to open an EU office in Nuuk, Greenland's capital.

However, Chemnitz believes that the EU and Denmark have not paid enough attention to Greenlanders but now have a window of opportunity to strengthen relations with the island in a "more realistic way", including on defence and security.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/01/16/greenland-lawmaker-touts-stronger-eu-role-in-islands-critical-raw-materials

WarGamer

(15,945 posts)
3. Clearly an independent Greenland will have a number of suitors.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 01:52 PM
10 hrs ago

That's the plan... and first on Greenland's list is security followed by prosperity.

atreides1

(16,456 posts)
7. Really?
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:09 PM
9 hrs ago

Greenland isn't a member of the EU. Greenland left in 1985, following a referendum in 1982 with 53% voting for withdrawal after a dispute over fishing rights. The Greenland Treaty formalized their exit.

In March 2015, the President of the EU Commission, the Prime Minister of Denmark and the Greenland Premier signed 'an umbrella' framework document outlining EU-Greenland relations, a "Joint Declaration on relations between the European Union, on the one hand, and the Government of Greenland and the Government of Denmark, on the other". By this document, the EU confirms its long lasting links with Greenland and reiterates the geostrategic importance of Greenland for the EU

In 2024 an opinion poll found that 60 percent of Greenland's population would vote in favor of re-joining the EU, an increase from 2021 where only 40 percent were in favor.

WarGamer

(15,945 posts)
8. Denmark is...
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:16 PM
9 hrs ago

And Egade said just a few days ago they were hoping for an independence referendum in 2025.

After that they can apply to join the EU or stay separate... we'll see.

BannonsLiver

(18,387 posts)
10. Thank you for the clarification
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:24 PM
9 hrs ago

I got a whiff of propaganda as soon as I started reading.

“Good Duers don’t propagandize other DUers.” 😉

Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #11)

DeepWinter

(707 posts)
15. Greenland isn't in the Denmark fan club
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:34 PM
9 hrs ago

Greenlands Prime minister made a statement, he's open to talking with Trump.

https://nypost.com/2025/01/11/us-news/greenland-leaders-ready-to-talk-with-trump/

"Greenland’s leader Múte Egede said he is prepared to enter into negotiations with President-elect Trump about the future of the mineral-rich arctic territory — but warned his people had no interest in becoming Americans."

"“We have a desire for independence, a desire to be the master of our own house … This is something everyone should respect,” he said. “Greenland is for the Greenlandic people. We do not want to be Danish, we do not want to be American. We want to be Greenlandic.”

(Context - Greenland has not been happy with Dutch rule for quite some time. There is a desire to split off from Denmark, to be sovergn.)

WarGamer

(15,945 posts)
21. The referendum in question would establish a sovereign country.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 07:21 PM
4 hrs ago

By definition that means Danish rule ends.

thucythucy

(8,808 posts)
20. So will the US pick up the tab to subsidize Greenland's government and public services?
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 03:39 PM
8 hrs ago

Denmark provides more than half a billion dollars annually to Greenland, accounting for more than half its public budget and twenty percent of its GDP.

I hardly think a GOP dominated US government will be in favor of all that "socialism" currently funded by Denmark.

Then too--with our relaxed gun laws they can probably look forward to lots more school shootings.

If people in Greenland think a US sponsored corporate destruction of their environment will somehow benefit the average Greenlander they're in for a cruel awakening.

malaise

(279,626 posts)
22. Spare me this
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 07:23 PM
4 hrs ago

imperialist crap

The US does not own our planet.
Sort out your own domestic mess.

WarGamer

(15,945 posts)
23. Iceland wants independence...
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 07:25 PM
4 hrs ago

Other nations will swoop in looking to benefit... right?

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