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Lemons UK

(135 posts)
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 07:52 PM Thursday

Netanyahu rises to Elon Musk's defense after X owner accused of performing Nazi salute

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-rises-to-elon-musks-defense-after-x-owner-accused-of-performing-nazi-salute/

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu issues a message of support for Elon Musk after the X owner was accused of making a Nazi salute.

Musk “is being falsely smeared,” Netanyahu writes on X. “Elon is a great friend of Israel. He visited Israel after the October 7 massacre… [and] has since repeatedly and forcefully supported Israel’s right to defend itself against genocidal terrorists and regimes who seek to annihilate the one and only Jewish state.”

“I thank him for this,” Netanyahu adds.
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Netanyahu rises to Elon Musk's defense after X owner accused of performing Nazi salute (Original Post) Lemons UK Thursday OP
Asshole. choie Thursday #1
Jews don't believe Xtian end times theology. Mosby Friday #31
You missed the point iemanja Friday #33
No, you missed the point. Mosby Friday #36
Tell me something even more obvious iemanja Friday #37
I already answered that. Mosby Tuesday #64
No you didn't iemanja Tuesday #67
I'm Jewish. I worked with people, including supervisors who think I'm going to DIE Mosby Tuesday #68
No surprises there. Crunchy Frog Thursday #2
Israel is not 100% Jewish mr. yahoo. GreenWave Thursday #3
Correct. Lemons UK Friday #30
"Unless Elon personally shoves a Jew in an oven, he is not a Nazi" dalton99a Thursday #4
Even of he were to shove a Jew in an oven, it would simply be construed as an "awkward gesture." harumph Thursday #18
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Thursday #21
Autism is prevalent in my family and we are ethical, capable of loving people and aren't assholes. harumph Thursday #22
It is indeed insulting. MontanaMama Thursday #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Tuesday #65
So dumb - he also endorsed Germany's far-right party, a group with ties to neo-Nazis walkingman Thursday #5
Shut UP, Netanyahu... you are Not a Reliable source Cha Thursday #6
Fascist says what? Cuthbert Allgood Thursday #7
Sociopaths gotta stick together. Nt spooky3 Thursday #8
Of couse he would. I can't wait till the ass Netanyhu starts screeching Autumn Thursday #9
The "logic" Cirsium Thursday #13
The logic is Avalon Sparks Thursday #25
JFC. Mosby Friday #34
The pretzel twisting is astounding. Lemons UK Monday #48
You british created this problem when you gave half the mandate Mosby Monday #50
I was responding to your response - in agreement. Lemons UK Monday #54
I'm genuinely confused about your statement. AloeVera Monday #55
The current situation in Israel and the OTs Mosby Monday #58
I know about the "Jordan is Palestine" slogan and its provenance and purpose. It's disingenuous. AloeVera Monday #62
Except for the FACT that about 1/2 of Jordan is Palestinian. Mosby Tuesday #63
He will. Lemons UK Friday #28
Is this real... Lovie777 Thursday #10
Kick. Eko Thursday #11
Is prosecution near for the corrupt warmonger now that the ceasefire process has begun? brush Thursday #12
Doubtful. Lemons UK Thursday #27
Honestly, who gives an f' what he says. CentralMass Thursday #14
Israelis Lemons UK Sunday #46
His words. Lemons UK Thursday #15
If Netanyahu is your character witness, you suck. Iggo Thursday #16
I'm not surprised MustLoveBeagles Thursday #17
Fuck off Bibi, you ultra RW piece of shit. Celerity Thursday #19
How ultra right is Bibi? Mosby Friday #35
He lives up Trump's ass iemanja Friday #38
That's a stretch. Lemons UK Friday #41
Israel swears in Netanyahu as prime minister, most right-wing government in country's history Celerity Saturday #44
And? Right-wing doesn't equate to NAZI!#! It's just laziness and requires no thought. A cop out. Lemons UK Monday #60
No clue what you are on about m8. I never called Netanyahu a Nazi nor did I say simply being RW equates to being a Nazi. Celerity Monday #61
So building houses and apts makes you ultra right wing. Mosby Tuesday #66
Elon is still a fascist. sinkingfeeling Thursday #20
Fuck him Rebl2 Thursday #23
Except Neti - he actually did it lame54 Thursday #24
He did. Lemons UK Saturday #43
The privilege of money. republianmushroom Friday #29
POS iemanja Friday #32
Netanyahoo! is an unprincipled, bloodthirsty, tyrant. Duncan Grant Friday #39
Bibi knows EMITA Lemons UK Sunday #47
Heil Tesla Celerity Friday #40
Flipped the script. Lemons UK Friday #42
Neti truth. Lemons UK Saturday #45
Only Nazi's stick up for other Nazi's Mr. Sparkle Monday #49
The leader of Israel is a Nazi? That's interesting. Lemons UK Monday #51
Fuck them both. Basso8vb Monday #52
That is just so Nazi! Remember, even during the holocaust, some Jews defended and helped the nazis unblock Monday #53
BREAKING: Jewish Nazi says Gentile Nazi isn't a Nazi... regnaD kciN Monday #56
Not surprised orangecrush Monday #57
Netanyahu is probably planning to cash in on Jared's development project rainin Monday #59

choie

(4,939 posts)
1. Asshole.
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 07:54 PM
Thursday

He also joins hands with christo-fascists who can't wait for Jews to die so Christ can come.

Mosby

(17,947 posts)
31. Jews don't believe Xtian end times theology.
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 03:42 PM
Friday

No one is going to die during some made up Armageddon.

iemanja

(55,316 posts)
33. You missed the point
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 04:08 PM
Friday

It isn't what Jews or Israelis believe. It's that the right-wing allies of Israel want the entire population dead, and Netanyahu goes along with it.

Mosby

(17,947 posts)
36. No, you missed the point.
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 04:13 PM
Friday

Christian end times theology is nonsense. Every sane person knows that, so why entertain crazy notions?

Don't give your power away.

Do you understand?

iemanja

(55,316 posts)
37. Tell me something even more obvious
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 04:14 PM
Friday

Are you comfortable with allies who want to see you dead?

iemanja

(55,316 posts)
67. No you didn't
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 01:16 PM
Tuesday

Nor did you criticize Netanyahu on this. Your silence says everything.

Mosby

(17,947 posts)
68. I'm Jewish. I worked with people, including supervisors who think I'm going to DIE
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 01:34 PM
Tuesday

When the end times comes. How would you deal with that? Do YOU have any experience with extreme Christian bigotry?

I've been assaulted physically, spit on, intimidated, had things thrown at me, tried to burn my parents house down, ALL BECAUSE I'M A JEW. In the 7th grade a bunch of kids cornered me in a bathroom and asked me why I killed Jesus. Then they beat me up.

I DON'T TELL PEOPLE I'M JEWISH ANYMORE.

Have you had any experiences like that? No?

harumph

(2,471 posts)
18. Even of he were to shove a Jew in an oven, it would simply be construed as an "awkward gesture."
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 09:02 PM
Thursday

Response to harumph (Reply #18)

harumph

(2,471 posts)
22. Autism is prevalent in my family and we are ethical, capable of loving people and aren't assholes.
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 09:26 PM
Thursday

I understand the sarcasm. I find the whole "He's autistic" fucking insulting.

MontanaMama

(24,212 posts)
26. It is indeed insulting.
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 09:43 PM
Thursday

Autistic folks have flooded social media today saying exactly this.

Response to MontanaMama (Reply #26)

walkingman

(8,759 posts)
5. So dumb - he also endorsed Germany's far-right party, a group with ties to neo-Nazis
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 08:02 PM
Thursday

whose youth wing has been classified as “confirmed extremist” by German domestic intelligence.

Like T47 he "speaks with a forked tongue".

Autumn

(47,006 posts)
9. Of couse he would. I can't wait till the ass Netanyhu starts screeching
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 08:05 PM
Thursday

antisemitism again. Fuck both of them

Cirsium

(1,504 posts)
13. The "logic"
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 08:17 PM
Thursday

Musk gave a salute; that salute was used by the Nazis; the Nazis were antisemitic; Israel is a Jewish state; the leader of that country says Musk is a friend on Israel; ergo, Musk do not give that salute.

Do try to keep up.

Mosby

(17,947 posts)
34. JFC.
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 04:09 PM
Friday

Why don't you tell us how Netanyahu is the worst monster in human history. Take your time, go into detail.

Thanks.



Mosby

(17,947 posts)
50. You british created this problem when you gave half the mandate
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 03:03 PM
Monday

To the Hashemites. That was supposed to be Palestine.

When are the British going to take responsibility for what they did?

Seriously. They gave away Palestine to some gulf Arabs.

AloeVera

(2,155 posts)
55. I'm genuinely confused about your statement.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 03:34 PM
Monday

I am asking a sincere question. Can you please explain what you mean?

Mosby

(17,947 posts)
58. The current situation in Israel and the OTs
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 03:44 PM
Monday

Is mostly the responsibility of the British, who gave away 1/2 of the mandate for Palestine not to the Palestinians, but to a group of Arabian Gulf Arabs called the Hashemites. They think they have some direct relationship to the prophet Muhommad. They lost a war with the house of Saud, so they had to leave the Persian gulf.

You really didn't k ow any of this?

AloeVera

(2,155 posts)
62. I know about the "Jordan is Palestine" slogan and its provenance and purpose. It's disingenuous.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:13 PM
Monday

My confusion arose from your statement that modern-day Jordan is Palestine.

The idea is not without serious problems, but I can see why it would be attractive to those who subscribe to the Zionist ideology. It would make the "transfer" aka further expulsion of Palestinians from the OPT to Jordan seem more palatable, at least on its surface. So for decades it has been a pet project of the Israeli right and Likud to convince the world of its merits.

What better way to absolve Israel of responsibility for Palestinian statelessness than to claim they already have a state - Jordan, their "true" Palestinian patrimony?

Except the whole argument is specious, dishonest and not supported by historical record but relies on a selective interpretation of history and geography and a very misguided (?) reading of the British Mandate.

Jordan is not Palestine. Palestine is/was not just Jordan. That is indisputable.

But if you are going to blame the British for giving away land not theirs to give away, I fully agree. They did precisely that with the Balfour declaration establishing a Jewish national home in historic Palestine - without consulting the Palestinians of course. They had no right and look at the tragedies and bloodshed it caused.

Also speaking of land give-aways, the UN Partition of Palestine benefitted the state of Israel, which then used it to declare Independence. However it has not honoured the partition in spirit or in essence and there are grounds to believe that it never intended to.

The whole "Jordan is Palestine" argument, specious as it is, will never serve to deflect from that sad reality.



Mosby

(17,947 posts)
63. Except for the FACT that about 1/2 of Jordan is Palestinian.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 12:19 PM
Tuesday
Both Egypt and Jordan fear that taking in a large number of Gazans would threaten their own security. Egyptian officials have repeatedly said militants among Palestinian refugees could launch attacks on Israel from inside the country, drawing Israeli retaliation.

More than half of Jordan’s population is of Palestinian origin, including almost 2.4 million registered as Palestinian refugees with the United Nations. A sharp increase in their numbers would risk upending the country’s demographics and could spark instability.


No one wants them because they are radicalized to hate Israel and the West.

brush

(58,601 posts)
12. Is prosecution near for the corrupt warmonger now that the ceasefire process has begun?
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 08:17 PM
Thursday

Of course there's always the possibility he will do something to stop it as he always has.

Mosby

(17,947 posts)
35. How ultra right is Bibi?
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 04:11 PM
Friday

What makes him ULTRA right exactly? Please be specific.

Thanks.

iemanja

(55,316 posts)
38. He lives up Trump's ass
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 04:16 PM
Friday

He excuses Nazism. He's a mass murderer. He's invading the West Bank. He consistently favors far right Republicans over Democrats. He's a bigot.

Celerity

(47,569 posts)
44. Israel swears in Netanyahu as prime minister, most right-wing government in country's history
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:44 PM
Saturday
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israel-swears-in-netanyahu-as-prime-minister-most-right-wing-government-in-countrys-history

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel on Thursday swore in Benjamin Netanyahu as prime minister of the most right-wing and religiously conservative government in the country’s history. Netanyahu took the oath of office moments after Israel’s parliament, or Knesset, passed a vote of confidence in his new government.

The coalition, made up of Jewish ultranationalist and religious parties, has already prompted an unprecedented uproar from Israeli society, including the country’s defense establishment, businesses, LGBTQ community, secular Jews and others. The new government has promised to curb the power of the country’s independent judiciary and expand illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank that will deepen the conflict with the Palestinians.

READ MORE: Netanyahu’s government vows to expand West Bank settlements, annex occupied territory

After over a year in opposition, Netanyahu secured a comeback in the latest election – the nation’s fifth in less than four years – to extend his record-setting tenure as prime minister.

Netanyahu’s new government has pledged to prioritize settlement expansion in the occupied West Bank, extend massive subsidies to his ultra-Orthodox allies and push for sweeping reform of the judicial system that could endanger the country’s democratic institutions.

snip



Israel’s new right-wing government is even more extreme than protests would have you think

Nationalist, exclusionist, and far, far right: The most extreme Israeli government in the nation’s history has taken shape.

https://www.vox.com/world/2023/1/20/23561464/israel-new-right-wing-government-extreme-protests-netanyahu-biden-ben-gvir

The policies of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s newly sworn-in governing coalition brought out 80,000 protesters over the weekend in Tel Aviv. The protesters were largely focused on the government’s proposals to overhaul the judicial system, which could weaken the country’s democracy and separation of powers. But the effects of the policies on the 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel and the 5.2 million Palestinians living in the occupied territories will be catastrophic, building upon years of policies that Israeli human rights organizations say constitute crimes against humanity.

The human rights defenders and experts in Israeli politics I spoke with emphasized that this government is not a departure from previous ones — indeed, it’s Netanyahu’s sixth time leading the country. Rather, it’s a culmination of Israeli politics drifting farther and farther to the right, and decades longer of policies that amount to de facto annexation of the occupied West Bank, and policies of Jewish supremacy. What’s different now, however, is how clearly these ideas are stated in the new government’s coalition guidelines and by prominent ministers about the fundamentals of how the country runs.

As US national security adviser Jake Sullivan meets Israeli and Palestinian leaders this week, there are serious questions of how the Biden administration will cooperate with an Israeli government that has scratched off its liberal veneer and thrown away any pretense of negotiations toward a Palestinian state. (Secretary of State Antony Blinken is due to travel to the Middle East soon, too.)



The new Israeli government is a turn from a brief centrist government last year, now seeking to implement policies that are anti-Palestinian and anti-liberal. But it’s certainly not the first Israeli government to do so. “It’s key not to pretend, as many seem to already be doing, that it’ll somehow be a sudden departure from Israeli quote-unquote ‘democracy,’” says Hagai El-Ad, executive director of the Israeli watchdog B’Tselem. “What worries me is that even this level of clarity will not be sufficient to trigger an adequate international response.”

snip


Netanyahu's judicial overhaul would "destroy" Israel's democracy, former Israeli prime minister says

Lemons UK

(135 posts)
60. And? Right-wing doesn't equate to NAZI!#! It's just laziness and requires no thought. A cop out.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 04:39 PM
Monday

Celerity

(47,569 posts)
61. No clue what you are on about m8. I never called Netanyahu a Nazi nor did I say simply being RW equates to being a Nazi.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 05:59 PM
Monday

You are replying to the wrong poster(s) in re those positings.

Mosby

(17,947 posts)
66. So building houses and apts makes you ultra right wing.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 12:54 PM
Tuesday

Let me ask you something, are the Navajo ultra-nationalists? Can you become a member of the Navajo Nation? No? Why not? Are they racists?

Israel is an ethnostate just like every Native American and First People's Nation in the US and Canada. They have rights, codified in the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples² to live in their ancestral homelands. Read it.

While I might strenously disagree with most of the settlers values and opinions, as Jews they have every right to live in their ancestral homelands, including in the "West Bank".


This is Yair Rosenberg, who writes for the Atlantic, spelling out the problems with the Israeli Supreme court:

Put crudely, the reasonableness doctrine is a subjective standard that has allowed Israel’s justices to substitute their own considerations for the legislature’s when assessing the merits of certain government actions and civil-service appointments. Given that the members of Israel’s Supreme Court are appointed by a panel composed mostly of other judges and lawyers, a credible case exists for restraining this capacity, which lacks democratic accountability.¹


Did you get that? The judges do whatever the fuck they want, that's not how a democracy is supposed to work.

¹ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/07/israel-supreme-court-netanyahu-parliament/674833/

² https://social.desa.un.org/issues/indigenous-peoples/united-nations-declaration-on-the-rights-of-indigenous-peoples

iemanja

(55,316 posts)
32. POS
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 04:06 PM
Friday

Antisemitism isn't Nazism; it's objecting to mass slaughter of Palestinians. Netanyahu is not only a monster, he's condoning bigotry against his own people.

unblock

(54,397 posts)
53. That is just so Nazi! Remember, even during the holocaust, some Jews defended and helped the nazis
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 03:13 PM
Monday

Thinking they would get favors and protection.

And often they did.

Until they didn't.


Netanyahu isn't saying anything about musk's politics. They only thing he cares about is musk's support of Israel. Notwithstanding that Israel is home to many Jews, supporting Israel does not mean you're not a Nazi.

Just because today's Nazi is puts trans people at the top of the hate list instead of Jews doesn't mean they're not Nazis.

Different era, different minorities to hate on.

Same shitty politics though.


Bibi should reread Martin niemoller because it doesn't matter which group is first. Everyone suffers when hate is allowed to rule:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

rainin

(3,204 posts)
59. Netanyahu is probably planning to cash in on Jared's development project
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 04:04 PM
Monday

to develop Gaza land once all the people have been "removed". He'll defend anything the trump administration does.

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