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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-rises-to-elon-musks-defense-after-x-owner-accused-of-performing-nazi-salute/Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu issues a message of support for Elon Musk after the X owner was accused of making a Nazi salute.
Musk is being falsely smeared, Netanyahu writes on X. Elon is a great friend of Israel. He visited Israel after the October 7 massacre [and] has since repeatedly and forcefully supported Israels right to defend itself against genocidal terrorists and regimes who seek to annihilate the one and only Jewish state.
I thank him for this, Netanyahu adds.
choie
(4,939 posts)He also joins hands with christo-fascists who can't wait for Jews to die so Christ can come.
Mosby
(17,947 posts)No one is going to die during some made up Armageddon.
iemanja
(55,316 posts)It isn't what Jews or Israelis believe. It's that the right-wing allies of Israel want the entire population dead, and Netanyahu goes along with it.
Mosby
(17,947 posts)Christian end times theology is nonsense. Every sane person knows that, so why entertain crazy notions?
Don't give your power away.
Do you understand?
iemanja
(55,316 posts)Are you comfortable with allies who want to see you dead?
Mosby
(17,947 posts)Nt.
iemanja
(55,316 posts)Nor did you criticize Netanyahu on this. Your silence says everything.
Mosby
(17,947 posts)When the end times comes. How would you deal with that? Do YOU have any experience with extreme Christian bigotry?
I've been assaulted physically, spit on, intimidated, had things thrown at me, tried to burn my parents house down, ALL BECAUSE I'M A JEW. In the 7th grade a bunch of kids cornered me in a bathroom and asked me why I killed Jesus. Then they beat me up.
I DON'T TELL PEOPLE I'M JEWISH ANYMORE.
Have you had any experiences like that? No?
Crunchy Frog
(27,230 posts)GreenWave
(9,864 posts)dalton99a
(85,633 posts)harumph
(2,471 posts)Response to harumph (Reply #18)
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harumph
(2,471 posts)I understand the sarcasm. I find the whole "He's autistic" fucking insulting.
MontanaMama
(24,212 posts)Autistic folks have flooded social media today saying exactly this.
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walkingman
(8,759 posts)whose youth wing has been classified as confirmed extremist by German domestic intelligence.
Like T47 he "speaks with a forked tongue".
Cha
(306,556 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,202 posts)spooky3
(36,751 posts)Autumn
(47,006 posts)antisemitism again. Fuck both of them
Cirsium
(1,504 posts)Musk gave a salute; that salute was used by the Nazis; the Nazis were antisemitic; Israel is a Jewish state; the leader of that country says Musk is a friend on Israel; ergo, Musk do not give that salute.
Do try to keep up.
Avalon Sparks
(2,652 posts)They are both Supremest Nazis.
Why don't you tell us how Netanyahu is the worst monster in human history. Take your time, go into detail.
Thanks.
Lemons UK
(135 posts)Mosby
(17,947 posts)To the Hashemites. That was supposed to be Palestine.
When are the British going to take responsibility for what they did?
Seriously. They gave away Palestine to some gulf Arabs.
Lemons UK
(135 posts)AloeVera
(2,155 posts)I am asking a sincere question. Can you please explain what you mean?
Mosby
(17,947 posts)Is mostly the responsibility of the British, who gave away 1/2 of the mandate for Palestine not to the Palestinians, but to a group of Arabian Gulf Arabs called the Hashemites. They think they have some direct relationship to the prophet Muhommad. They lost a war with the house of Saud, so they had to leave the Persian gulf.
You really didn't k ow any of this?
AloeVera
(2,155 posts)My confusion arose from your statement that modern-day Jordan is Palestine.
The idea is not without serious problems, but I can see why it would be attractive to those who subscribe to the Zionist ideology. It would make the "transfer" aka further expulsion of Palestinians from the OPT to Jordan seem more palatable, at least on its surface. So for decades it has been a pet project of the Israeli right and Likud to convince the world of its merits.
What better way to absolve Israel of responsibility for Palestinian statelessness than to claim they already have a state - Jordan, their "true" Palestinian patrimony?
Except the whole argument is specious, dishonest and not supported by historical record but relies on a selective interpretation of history and geography and a very misguided (?) reading of the British Mandate.
Jordan is not Palestine. Palestine is/was not just Jordan. That is indisputable.
But if you are going to blame the British for giving away land not theirs to give away, I fully agree. They did precisely that with the Balfour declaration establishing a Jewish national home in historic Palestine - without consulting the Palestinians of course. They had no right and look at the tragedies and bloodshed it caused.
Also speaking of land give-aways, the UN Partition of Palestine benefitted the state of Israel, which then used it to declare Independence. However it has not honoured the partition in spirit or in essence and there are grounds to believe that it never intended to.
The whole "Jordan is Palestine" argument, specious as it is, will never serve to deflect from that sad reality.
Mosby
(17,947 posts)More than half of Jordans population is of Palestinian origin, including almost 2.4 million registered as Palestinian refugees with the United Nations. A sharp increase in their numbers would risk upending the countrys demographics and could spark instability.
No one wants them because they are radicalized to hate Israel and the West.
Lovie777
(15,961 posts)brush
(58,601 posts)Of course there's always the possibility he will do something to stop it as he always has.
CentralMass
(15,806 posts)Lemons UK
(135 posts)Lemons UK
(135 posts)Iggo
(48,681 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(12,847 posts)I'll leave it at that.
Celerity
(47,569 posts)Mosby
(17,947 posts)What makes him ULTRA right exactly? Please be specific.
Thanks.
iemanja
(55,316 posts)He excuses Nazism. He's a mass murderer. He's invading the West Bank. He consistently favors far right Republicans over Democrats. He's a bigot.
Lemons UK
(135 posts)Celerity
(47,569 posts)JERUSALEM (AP) Israel on Thursday swore in Benjamin Netanyahu as prime minister of the most right-wing and religiously conservative government in the countrys history. Netanyahu took the oath of office moments after Israels parliament, or Knesset, passed a vote of confidence in his new government.
The coalition, made up of Jewish ultranationalist and religious parties, has already prompted an unprecedented uproar from Israeli society, including the countrys defense establishment, businesses, LGBTQ community, secular Jews and others. The new government has promised to curb the power of the countrys independent judiciary and expand illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank that will deepen the conflict with the Palestinians.
READ MORE: Netanyahus government vows to expand West Bank settlements, annex occupied territory
After over a year in opposition, Netanyahu secured a comeback in the latest election the nations fifth in less than four years to extend his record-setting tenure as prime minister.
Netanyahus new government has pledged to prioritize settlement expansion in the occupied West Bank, extend massive subsidies to his ultra-Orthodox allies and push for sweeping reform of the judicial system that could endanger the countrys democratic institutions.
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Nationalist, exclusionist, and far, far right: The most extreme Israeli government in the nations history has taken shape.
https://www.vox.com/world/2023/1/20/23561464/israel-new-right-wing-government-extreme-protests-netanyahu-biden-ben-gvir
The policies of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahus newly sworn-in governing coalition brought out 80,000 protesters over the weekend in Tel Aviv. The protesters were largely focused on the governments proposals to overhaul the judicial system, which could weaken the countrys democracy and separation of powers. But the effects of the policies on the 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel and the 5.2 million Palestinians living in the occupied territories will be catastrophic, building upon years of policies that Israeli human rights organizations say constitute crimes against humanity.
The human rights defenders and experts in Israeli politics I spoke with emphasized that this government is not a departure from previous ones indeed, its Netanyahus sixth time leading the country. Rather, its a culmination of Israeli politics drifting farther and farther to the right, and decades longer of policies that amount to de facto annexation of the occupied West Bank, and policies of Jewish supremacy. Whats different now, however, is how clearly these ideas are stated in the new governments coalition guidelines and by prominent ministers about the fundamentals of how the country runs.
As US national security adviser Jake Sullivan meets Israeli and Palestinian leaders this week, there are serious questions of how the Biden administration will cooperate with an Israeli government that has scratched off its liberal veneer and thrown away any pretense of negotiations toward a Palestinian state. (Secretary of State Antony Blinken is due to travel to the Middle East soon, too.)
The new Israeli government is a turn from a brief centrist government last year, now seeking to implement policies that are anti-Palestinian and anti-liberal. But its certainly not the first Israeli government to do so. Its key not to pretend, as many seem to already be doing, that itll somehow be a sudden departure from Israeli quote-unquote democracy, says Hagai El-Ad, executive director of the Israeli watchdog BTselem. What worries me is that even this level of clarity will not be sufficient to trigger an adequate international response.
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Lemons UK
(135 posts)Celerity
(47,569 posts)You are replying to the wrong poster(s) in re those positings.
Mosby
(17,947 posts)Let me ask you something, are the Navajo ultra-nationalists? Can you become a member of the Navajo Nation? No? Why not? Are they racists?
Israel is an ethnostate just like every Native American and First People's Nation in the US and Canada. They have rights, codified in the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples² to live in their ancestral homelands. Read it.
While I might strenously disagree with most of the settlers values and opinions, as Jews they have every right to live in their ancestral homelands, including in the "West Bank".
This is Yair Rosenberg, who writes for the Atlantic, spelling out the problems with the Israeli Supreme court:
Did you get that? The judges do whatever the fuck they want, that's not how a democracy is supposed to work.
¹ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/07/israel-supreme-court-netanyahu-parliament/674833/
² https://social.desa.un.org/issues/indigenous-peoples/united-nations-declaration-on-the-rights-of-indigenous-peoples
sinkingfeeling
(53,657 posts)Rebl2
(15,347 posts)lame54
(37,371 posts)republianmushroom
(18,615 posts)Many will kiss your ass for a smell of it, as Netanyahu has done.
Antisemitism isn't Nazism; it's objecting to mass slaughter of Palestinians. Netanyahu is not only a monster, he's condoning bigotry against his own people.
Duncan Grant
(8,591 posts)Like seeks like. Same as it ever was.
Lemons UK
(135 posts)Celerity
(47,569 posts)Lemons UK
(135 posts)Lemons UK
(135 posts)Mr. Sparkle
(3,212 posts)Lemons UK
(135 posts)Basso8vb
(616 posts)unblock
(54,397 posts)Thinking they would get favors and protection.
And often they did.
Until they didn't.
Netanyahu isn't saying anything about musk's politics. They only thing he cares about is musk's support of Israel. Notwithstanding that Israel is home to many Jews, supporting Israel does not mean you're not a Nazi.
Just because today's Nazi is puts trans people at the top of the hate list instead of Jews doesn't mean they're not Nazis.
Different era, different minorities to hate on.
Same shitty politics though.
Bibi should reread Martin niemoller because it doesn't matter which group is first. Everyone suffers when hate is allowed to rule:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak for me.
regnaD kciN
(26,698 posts)orangecrush
(22,695 posts)rainin
(3,204 posts)to develop Gaza land once all the people have been "removed". He'll defend anything the trump administration does.