Can we please stop with the sky is falling bullshit.

[William769]

They do not have a super majority in either chamber the erroneous EO's are being hit head on with lawsuits & the biggest one already temporally blocked by a Federal judge.

Take it one day at a time anything else is just going to give you ulcers.

ETA: They also don't have a mandate.

[gab13by13]

1. Don't click on them

The sky is falling.

They don't need a mandate.

That judge issued a new statement.

[William769]

2. Wow!

That's all you got?

I click where I want and I call out where I want. I also call bullshit when I see it.

[KS Toronado]

70. But the sky is falling somewhere right now.

[William769]

71. ...

[MustLoveBeagles]

148. Cute meme

[muriel_volestrangler]

143. But it's very antisocial of you to call DU posts "bullshit"

just because you have a misplaced optimism. And to be so aggressive when you get a reply to the argument you wanted to start.

[dweller]

9. What did the

New statement say ?



✌🏻

[gab13by13]

19. From the judge's mouth.

“Birthright citizenship obviously doesn’t apply in case of war or invasion,” Ho stated. “No one to my knowledge has ever argued that the children of invading aliens are entitled to birthright citizenship. And I can’t imagine what the legal argument for that would be.... Everyone agrees that birthright citizenship doesn’t apply to the children of lawful combatants. And it’s hard to see anyone arguing that unlawful combatants should be treated more favorably than lawful combatants.”

[dweller]

21. Different judge

Ho
Not Coughenour


✌🏻

[Bluethroughu]

78. Oh so mexicans are combants now???

Does that mean US CITIZENS GIVING THEM AID, COMFORT, A JOB...SHOULD BE LABELED TREASONIST?!

So is ICE GONNA ROUND UP EVERYONE NOW?!

[littlemissmartypants]

81. Literally, none of us are safe...

That aren’t white men.

[Bluethroughu]

85. The right white men owning the farms that hired these

Enemy combatants should be huled off now. They might have voted for trump, but they knowingly hired these enemy combatants.

[littlemissmartypants]

89. I have no idea what you're talking about. Seriously. ...

Please elaborate.

❤️

[Bluethroughu]

100. gab13by13 19. Wrote

gab13by13
19. From the judge's mouth.
12:12 PM
“Birthright citizenship obviously doesn’t apply in case of war or invasion,” Ho stated. “No one to my knowledge has ever argued that the children of invading aliens are entitled to birthright citizenship. And I can’t imagine what the legal argument for that would be.... Everyone agrees that birthright citizenship doesn’t apply to the children of lawful combatants. And it’s hard to see anyone arguing that unlawful combatants should be treated more favorably than lawful combatants.”

He is equating immigrants to combatants. Then people employing combatants should be held accoutable for doing so...meaning the Right, white, farmers. This would make them traitors hiring enemy combatants. Then start rounding up business owners too.

[littlemissmartypants]

107. Who is "he" in the last paragraph?

[Bluethroughu]

111. Judge Ho

To muddy the waters of the Birthright citizen judge that put a 14 day hold on the EO, Judge coughnenoer.

[littlemissmartypants]

113. Dueling judges. Won't be the first time that's happened. ...

I wouldn't stress about it. I'm definitely not going to.

❤️

[Bluethroughu]

118. I just think if this right wing hack wants to lable frown people

Combatants. Then be ready to label business owners traitors hiring those combatants.

[yardwork]

92. Migration at our southern border is not an invasion.

No nation has declared war on us. No nation is sending military personnel to occupy the U.S.

Individual people crossing the border to seek jobs and asylum is NOT an invasion.

[Docreed2003]

114. Trump has repeatedly used the term "invasion"

He's used it in speeches and he used it in the EO he signed with regards to the southern border. His use of the word "invasion" is intentional because it allows his minions to fight birthright citizenship under the guise of "children of an enemy combatant" which is one of the two exceptions to birthright citizenship the USSC has ever mentioned.

[yardwork]

142. I know. He's wrong.

[Trust_Reality]

132. There is reality, and there is T Rump's BS.

He tells vicious, harmful, and dangerous lies -- continually.

[mcar]

99. This is a different judge

[Wiz Imp]

123. This statement is from a November 11 interview Ho gave, published in Reason Magazine.

Note, he totally contradicted positions he himself has advocated for in the past.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2025-01-24/column-a-trump-judge-dropped-his-unwavering-support-for-birthright-citizenship-to-conform-to-trumps-view

In his 2006 article, titled “Defining ‘American,’” Ho focused specifically and at length on the argument that children of undocumented immigrants aren’t entitled to birthright citizenship. Birthright citizenship, he wrote, “is protected no less for children of undocumented persons than for descendants of Mayflower passengers.”

Ho dismissed the assertion by critics of birthright citizenship that the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction” excludes those who are in the U.S. illegally.” Even they, he wrote, are subject to the authority of the U.S. government, and therefore covered by the citizenship clause. He endorsed the most common interpretation, which is that the “jurisdiction” clause excludes only the children of diplomats serving their home countries in the U.S., and enemy combatants on U.S. soil. Instead, he wrote, the citizenship clause “covers the vast majority of lawful and unlawful aliens.”

Ho wrote again on birthright citizenship in a Jan. 5, 2011, op-ed in the Wall Street Journal. In that article, Ho reviewed the long history of legal and judicial support for the broad reach of birthright citizenship. As I reported this week, that included an 1898 Supreme Court decision upholding the citizenship of an American citizen of Chinese extraction, and Supreme Court rulings in 1982 and 1985 in which the court “unanimously agreed that a child born to an undocumented immigrant was in fact a U.S. citizen,” as Ho wrote.

Now let’s fast-forward to Nov. 11, days after Trump’s reelection victory. In an interview published by Reason Magazine that Ho gave to conservative lawyer Josh Blackman — who himself supports birthright citizenship for children of undocumented immigrants — Ho backtracked.

That's where he made the statement about "war or invasion".

As for him trying to paint this as a case of invading aliens not being subject to Birthright Citizenship:

In a 1996 case, a federal appeals court panel ruled that for a state to claim it’s being invaded, “it must be exposed to armed hostility from another political entity, such as another state or foreign country that is intending to overthrow the state’s government”—not a flow of individuals seeking jobs.

For a sitting judge to make the argument he made in that interview is not only shameful, it is so lacking in any legitimate legal basis, it should get him thrown off the bench

[hlthe2b]

3. "Take it one day at a time" is my mantra as well. (as well as "hug your dog first thing in the morning!)

[hlthe2b]

5. I get it, but the fight is going to be a marathon and you have to steel yourself for that...

One day at a time is about all I can handle--YMMV.

[William769]

6. Yes I am white, I am also Gay. So What?

Is that suppose to mean I don't have your back?

[dalton99a]

7. Head in the sand is what got us in this predicament

Doesn't hurt to have situational awareness

[William769]

10. And we pull our collective heads out of the sand

Problem solved.

[yardwork]

96. Situational awareness was voting for Harris, and before that Biden and Clinton.

People who "couldn't bring themselves" to do that lacked situational awareness.

[HereForTheParty]

8. So how did the Laken Riley bill pass?

?

[William769]

12. We won't win every battle.

Are you suggesting we just give up?

[HereForTheParty]

17. No, I'm suggesting they apparently don't need a super majority

Were we unwilling to filibuster? It was my understanding the filibuster was in effect.

[William769]

20. I don't have an answer to that.

I still say though that does not call for the sky is falling. Let something like that happen again, then we'll talk.

[LuvLoogie]

122. The sky is falling for immigrant families.

And given the racist rulings of judges across this country, now labeling these families alien invader combatants, this puts it out there for vigilante fuckery--while cops and judges look the other way and wear hoods at night.

WTF.

YOU calm down. This is a violent, racist country at its root. And YOU need to come to terms with that. They are going to start raiding schools and churches. For real.

[Patton French]

50. There was a filibuster.

But enough Democratic senators voted with the r's for cloture (to end the filibuster).

[HereForTheParty]

68. Ok thanks

I had understood the Democrats who voted for it were actually against it but were told it was going to pass anyway so they could vote for it for re-election purposes.

[Voltaire2]

110. which is the party leadership being utterly chicken shit.

They are scared to be the opposition. It is infuriating. On the other side of the aisle if you do not vote the party line you will get primaried and you will be shunned by the big donors. They are a disciplined political machine. We aren't.

[bigtree]

120. you're pretending there's something Schumer can do to coerce those members to vote the way he wanted on that bill

...but those Senators are of the red state variety, who so many people, including DUers, have told us repeatedly, are forced to vote for conservative legislation because, if they don't, a republican will take their seat (or they'll abandon it, and the party).

I recognize the politics here, but it wasn't being perverted by the Democratic leadership managing a razor-slim majority with red state members voting with the republican opposition.

What threat do you think Schumer or Jeffries could present to those red staters which was more important to them than the conservative votes they were chasing?

As far as I know, the only thing that can stop Democrats from bending on immigration votes is to continue to push to pass a comprehensive immigration bill.

[tritsofme]

136. Right...just like when they repealed Obamacare? They are a dysfunctional mess not a "disciplined machine"

We’ll see how many speakers they go through this time.

[Voltaire2]

144. One Republican vote.

And he was immune to pressure as he was actively dying.

[Cirsium]

135. Win every battle?

Forty-six Democrats crossed party lines and joined Republicans in voting to pass the bill.

[obamanut2012]

11. All health info, classes, meetings, etc. are still down and it is INDEFINITE

That alone is the sky falling on us.

[William769]

14. Not sure what you're saying there.

Forgive me for my ignorance.

[Blues Heron]

28. Total freeze at nih cdc fda etc.

Indefinite. No COVID tracker, bird flu monitor, cancer research, meetings etc.

[intheflow]

32. Government websites have gone 404 since 1/20.

They're already destroying/denying/rewriting information on health and safety, LGBTQ+ rights, women's rights, children's rights. They're claiming actual amendments to the Constitution are unconstitutional. Any info we get from "official" US government websites is questionable now.

[sarisataka]

38. Which sites?

These are all up:

https://www.defense.gov/
https://www.irs.gov/
https://www.hhs.gov/
https://www.ed.gov/
https://www.dhs.gov/
https://www.fda.gov/

I stopped after 6 with no 404. The only note was on the FDA- "On Oct. 1, 2024, the FDA began implementing a reorganization impacting many parts of the agency. We are in the process of updating FDA.gov content to reflect these changes."

[intheflow]

79. A brief google search would have aided your reply here.

The White House web pages:

All Spanish translations gone. (AP) Charmingly, it tells people visiting the page to GO HOME.

DEI and physical accessibility info have been deleted. (NBC) That is, the tools needed to make the web site accessible, like if you're blind, there's no more assistive device available for them to read the site.

All websites for all agencies, related to DEI:

Federal DEI websites go dark after Trump order and threat of ‘consequences’ (Politico)

*edited for typos!

[sarisataka]

82. So some pages are gone, not "Government websites"

and the NBC article notes some of the changes are not unusual-

While a Spanish-language version of the White House website dates back at least to George W. Bush’s presidency, two previous administrations, both Trump’s first administration and Barack Obama’s, took months to relaunch.

Some of the other changes, while definitely concerning, are really not unexpected

[uponit7771]

93. They are unexpected, please stop minimizing rational concerns

[sarisataka]

119. I am not minimizing rational concerns

but I am correcting false information.

[intheflow]

124. Wow, way to be pedantic!

Information for and regarding the most vulnerable among us is zapped from government websites. But, sure, that's "normal" and is in no way reflective of Trumps larger agenda to disenfranchise as many racial, ethnic, gender, and religious minorities as he possibly can. Splitting hairs at this juncture sounds pompous and apologetic, as well as dismissive of real concerns many of us have.

[Blue_Roses]

13. Thank-you!

[William769]

15. Someone had to say what a lot of us are thinking.

[Blue_Roses]

23. Exactly.

You took one for the team!
Again, thank-you!

[uponit7771]

90. The uncomfortable can't afford to say much these days ...

... people need a plan not to be told to feel better

[Kid Berwyn]

16. What is bullshit?*

The destruction of the Constitution is in process. In posting the thousands of ways Trump, Putin and MAGA are doing that, DUers are trying their best to stop it.

PS: * Posted with all DU respect, William769.

[William769]

24. No disrespect taken Kid Berwyn

to me in process & completing are two different things. I believe the Constitution will survive no matter what they throw at it.

We will just have to agree to disagree on this. No harm, no foul.

[Kid Berwyn]

36. Stand with you, no matter what, Brother.

Since 1776.

[snowybirdie]

18. Thank you William

So tired of seeing postings here filled with speculation as to what MIGHT happen at some nebulous day in the future. Lets fight each day to what actually is happening.

[JohnSJ]

22. I will reserve final judgement until I see which appointments are approved by the Senate, but honestly William, It

doesn't look good, and the threats from the sociopath in the WH need to be taken seriously.

While some may say this is hyperbole, what happened in Italy and Germany in the 30's sure seems reminiscent of what seems to be happening here.
Most of the civilians in Italy and Germany dismissed that the government would actually go after them too.

I am not holding my breath that Congress will protect our Democracy.

[William769]

26. I believe the power lies with the people our history proves that.

That's why I believe we and the Constitution will survive.

I hope you find some comfort somewhere.

[Blue_Roses]

33. We can't depend on Congress

"...that government of the people, by the people, for the people..."

I agree though, we do have to stay on their ass which is our job.

[Whyisthisstillclose]

25. The sky will fall one day at a time until one day we

realize it has fallen too far to recover.

[yaesu]

27. Until we have voting rights yes, the sky is going to keep falling

— 4,776,706 voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data.
— By August of 2024, for the first time since 1946, self-proclaimed “vigilante” voter-fraud hunters challenged the rights of 317,886 voters. The NAACP of Georgia estimates that by Election Day, the challenges exceeded 200,000 in Georgia alone.
— No fewer than 2,121,000 mail-in ballots were disqualified for minor clerical errors (e.g. postage due).
— At least 585,000 ballots cast in-precinct were also disqualified.
— 1,216,000 “provisional” ballots were rejected, not counted.
— 3.24 million new registrations were rejected or not entered on the rolls in time to vote.

https://hartmannreport.com/p/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-c6f

[gab13by13]

43. Yes, Greg Palast ran the numbers

Kamala Harris won, but hey, let's stay calm and maybe wait until the next election to raise hell?

The problem in this country is complacency not crying the sky is falling.

What are Democrats doing about those millions of wrongfully purged ballots? Maybe we need to pass a bill (too late now) keeping everyone's voter registration confidential?

Democrats need fighters, not Senators who co-sponsor and vote for a bad immigration bill.

[uponit7771]

97. 👆🏿👆🏿👆🏿 THIS!!!! 👆🏿👆🏿👆🏿

[choie]

29. Maybe don't lecture people

who are feeling that we're in a crisis. Which, by the way, we are.

[Blue_Roses]

35. There's a difference in lecturing

and saying how one feels. He wasn't lecturing. We have our hands full fighting Trump and his cronies. We don't need to be fighting one another.

[sheshe2]

58. Well said, Blue_Roses.

[littlemissmartypants]

88. I believe that Choie made a suggestion, not an accusation. ...

There are quite a few very pedantic posters here. They are no less important than those of us who are sensitive souls.

It is unfortunate when the finger wagging starts though. But I don't see this as an example of that.

I believe that there's genuine cause for concern if we don't maintain logical emotional fortitude. We won't last long if we don't pace ourselves.

It's a marathon and not a sprint.

❤️

[yardwork]

98. Wish I could rec this a thousand times.

[Cirsium]

137. Really?

"Stop with the sky is falling bullshit?" isn't lecturing?

Isn't the OP isn't perfect example of "fighting one another," not to mention minimizing and normalizing the threat that you say we have our hands full fighting?

Those sounding the alarm and those for whom the sky is falling are being mocked as "chicken littles" and their fears dismissed and trivialized.

[muriel_volestrangler]

164. There are 2 imperatives in the OP - "stop" and "take"

so yes, it was a lecture, not just how they feel. I agree with your last two sentences.

[emulatorloo]

72. OP can express his feelings if he wants, just as you can. That's how DU works, I'm afraid.

[uponit7771]

101. The expressions should be constructive, afflicting the afflicted with minimizingsn't

[sarisataka]

30. It provides a welcome break

from the conspiracy theories

[gab13by13]

51. What conspiracy theories?

That Greg Palast has data that claims that Kamala Harris won the election?

You will never see that by watching cable news.

How many threads have there been on DU about what Democrats did wrong to lose the election? How many threads are there that have proof that Kamala Harris won the election?

It is much easier to run with the herd, but I never did things the easy way if I believed it was wrong.

[sarisataka]

57. Interesting reply

since I didn't mention any specific theory. If fact I hadn't even read that thread yet

[emulatorloo]

77. lol, you found the silver lining!

[EdmondDantes_]

31. This is good advice. It's easy to give in to despair, but that doesn't help

It's going to be a slog getting through this, but we did it once, we got through the Civil War, the Civil Rights era, the fight for same sex marriage. Progress isn't linear and it has to be fought for.

[ForgedCrank]

34. No.

We get to endure the Elon is a nazi, and Trump is going to put us all in prison and kill us threads for at least 4 years now.

[gab13by13]

56. Elon is a Nazi,

He may be arrested in France for interfering in elections in France and Germany. In the US he is given a seat at the table for interfering in our election.

No one ever said Trump is going to put us all in prison.

Trump is already on record having killed thousands of Americans during Covid. Trump most certainly will continue to kill Americans in his second reign.

[ForgedCrank]

103. Ok, whatever you say

[milestogo]

37. If you've never experienced discrimination, you probably don't understand what the

women, gays, trans people, people of color, poor people, immigrants, and friends of immigrants on this discussion board are feeling.

So the best thing you can do is stop criticizing and try to be supportive.

[William769]

41. Yes as a Gay man I have never experienced discrimination

[sfdennis1]

75. Privilege, much?

I am a “ White gay man” as well and I’m not quite sure you fully understand the terror that many Trans people, undocumented people, people of color and women feel. When the PRESIDENT of the United States and his cabal of henchmen have a clear target on your back…it’s terrifying.

Glad YOU’RE apparently safe in your nice little protected bubble. Other people may have NO safety net to rely on. Maybe Try some compassion along with your “toughen up” message plz.

[William769]

76. ...

[sheshe2]

121. Presumptuous, much?

Perhaps you should take a stroll in his shoes, you know absolutely nothing about the life he has lived.

[sfdennis1]

147. Thanks, much?

Absolutely true…but in responding to post title, which labels people’s fearful, yet valid reaction to the Orange Menace’s persecution program “bullsh*t”…. I said what I said. Many, many people have no safety net to catch them from the oncoming storm. Frankly, calling their fear-based reaction “bullsh*t” is, well…bullshit.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

153. I am trans

And I feel the target on my back and with everything these fascists do it gets heavier. It is also a clock ticking the days until trans people are called the big threat .

By then I will be broke sick crazy and homeless without SSI and Medicaid and HUD and when trans people start disappearing I know it’s a matter of time until my goose will be cooked.

I will be too sick (unmanaged diabetes) to fight,too mentally messed up to have my normal mind and wits about me (no psych meds)and after the programs I depend on are gone I cannot afford to have shelter, eat , have therapy or even leave the country.

It could be sooner if they start rounding people up who are mentally ill locking us up as they go killing off the disabled.

If they go looking for antifa they’ll look for anyone in black, a punk, a goth ,a metalhead, an alternative styled person. Anyone they think is a radical. I’d probably be sent to a camp for that too.

I will kill myself before I go to any fucking camp I refuse to give my oppressors any joy in inflicting me with more cruelty.
At that point suicide will have its appeal.

That’s how the future looks like from the very bottom of the ladder when you are politically and socially invisible.

I feel very threatened by this fascist situation and the psychopath tyrant.

[Bluethroughu]

106. Thank you, we've been upset since his win, and we are citizens.

[bronxiteforever]

39. I agree the sky has not fallen but

the patient is very ill and appears to be suffering from a chronic disease given a second term. We have to see what the consequences of continuing illness means for the patient.

If the defense nominee creature gets in, we are in definite danger. With a state department being gutted and if the defense department goes full clown car and our allies are treated like dirt, it will get very lonely should an international crisis occur. We were “lucky” that TSF only had to deal with a pandemic the first term. Now, with the world infinitely less stable and the richest man in the world going full Nazi, we will not be as lucky.

Americans often forget that in the real world countries compete for the best brains, the best economy and the best military. We are in competition and our spot at the top is not guaranteed. I fear TSF is starting a new brain drain that will only weaken us given how Americans don’t value education or health science quality anymore. The growth of conspiracy bull crap is also a symptom of a major disease. We are losing any ability to recognize basic facts.

Yet I agree that he does not have a mandate but we do need the fierce sense of urgency or the sky will fall.

As Bob Dylan wrote; “it’s not dark yet but it’s getting there.”

[gab13by13]

69. There's a hard rain a gonna fall.

[demmiblue]

40. As soon as we stop with the finger-wagging. n/t

[Ocelot II]

42. The only way to get through Hell is to keep going.

Maybe the sky is falling, but who thinks just giving up and letting it happen after only five days is a good idea? Let's get busy and figure out how to push the damn sky back up. It will not be easy and there will be failures and it won't happen soon. It will probably get worse. But dictators fall eventually; Hitler shot himself in a bunker. Dictators in the 21st century depend less on violence and more on lies and spin, so our task will be to keep our message out there, everywhere, and loud. That means not giving up, not for a minute.

[William769]

44. You are more eloquent than I could ever be.

[Arazi]

45. I have trans friends and family whose identities have just been stripped

Has their sky fallen enough for us to be alarmed?

My DACA friend now has a huge ICE bullseye on their back. For them the sky has indeed fallen. Who are you to tell them (me) otherwise?

I have another friend in a cancer med drug trial. How many clinical trials are you ok with killing before it meets your definition of the sky is falling?

Real bullshit is already happening…

Not sure why you feel the need to scold those of us who are already concerned at what’s happening 🙄

[Ocelot II]

48. I don't think that's what the OP means. I think he is trying to encourage us

not to give up. Of course it's horrible; we can see that it's horrible and it will likely get worse; we can't deny that the sky is falling - but we just have to push it back up. Letting them win just isn't an option.

[obamanut2012]

86. It came off as scolding/lecturing/etc.

I was shocked at his OP tbh, because he usually isn't like that, and as a member of teh LGBT+ community, he is alos being targeted.

[William769]

49. I am a Gay man heavily involved in my community.

I have lived in S.W. Florida for about 48 years. I have more hispanic friends that I do anything else. AT one point in my life 20 years ago I had full blown AIDS. Since then I have dealt with cancers of various types that are AIDS related. Now I deal with HIV & the long term affects that come with it.

Yes I call bullshit when I see bullshit.

Not sure why you feel the need to scold me trying to make me look unsympathetic when you know nothing about me. Hopefully you just got a little schooled about my life. Sorry it doesn't fit into your narrative.

[thebigidea]

60. what narrative? they didn't say a damn thing about you

[William769]

62. They damn sure did a lot of implying.

You do realize can read?

[Arazi]

65. I made no assumptions about you

You’re making a lot of assumptions about us - that we’re somehow overreacting (“the sky is falling bullshit”)

🙄

[demmiblue]

67. +1

[Self Esteem]

46. My concern is how much everyone has normalized him this go around.

It's scary. It does not feel like 2017 when every move was met with mass-protest. He's more popular today than he was in 2017. And his team seems more organized.

Trump expected his EO to get blocked. He's not doing these EOs to get blanket advancement on his agenda, he's doing them to test what the courts will allow.

This isn't the incompetent regime that had no clue how to run a government when they came to power in 2017. Not only is there more sympathy in the congress from Republicans than we saw eight years ago, the people seem to know what they're doing.

That should scare everyone.

[BannonsLiver]

47. There's a whole lot of "I give up" in the thread.

[MineralMan]

52. As I suspected, a number of people are misunderstanding you.

Sadly, some are so invested in doom and gloom that they have abandoned all hope of opposing what is going on, and have simply shut down, except for wailing and gnashing their teeth.

Others, fortunately, have not done that and are looking for ways to counter the current direction that is being taken and to work to preserve what can be preserved.

Doom and gloom are not constructive. Hope and even anger, however, can be, if actions are taken to counteract the negative direction.

So, I'm on the hopefully angry side of things. As you are, I can see. Thank you.

[Patton French]

61. Well said.

In the immortal words of Bluto Blutarsky, "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

[planetc]

53. I have developed a tactic to throw darts at the 47th blunder ...

I thought of this in 2020--if you remember, we had an economy that was still tanked, and a vaccine that wasn't widely distributed, so Washington sent us money. Specifically, economic stimulus checks for $500. I've forgotten why I got two, but my first thought was: Now, what would annoy him most if he knew how I was spending it? So I sent one incentive to the county food bank, and the other to the local library. Recently, I had a chance to support a temporarily legal immigrant, so I spent money there too. These little economic actions do not take the country back, but they help ordinary people get through another day of vicious capitalism and politically retaliatory government. If your means allow, why not try sending some funds to the ACLU, or any organization that will be on the front lines of this effort?

The sky may or may not be falling, but we can try to hold up the clouds over the people who are going to take the brunt of this attack: Immigrants, women, black and brown people, LGBTQ people. And if your local paper still takes LTTEs, send one in. We don't know how much good any of this will do, but on the other hand, it can't hurt either.

[in2herbs]

54. IMO his EOs are meant to be a distraction from all l the chaos he can create without an EO, so I ignore them. nt

[AverageOldGuy]

55. Well - -

I live in rural VA surrounded by MAGAts who voted 70% for Trump and who wave guns at us Democrats, three Jan 6ers in our county were released and are on
the way home to a big welcome.

Thanks for your advice but I bought more shotgun, pistol, and AR-15 ammo just in case. thank you.

[William769]

59. I own a 357 Smith & Wesson magnum a shot gun 2 AR-15's with plenty of ammo for all.

I never said I wasn't ready.

[SocialDemocrat61]

63. No

[Scrivener7]

64. Ah, the new iteration of "patience grasshopper" rears its head

[BlueTsunami2018]

66. Sometimes the sky is actually falling. We're there.

The wave of destruction is already so overwhelming, the damage so severe, how else would you describe it?

We knew it was going to be bad. It’s worse.

[gab13by13]

73. Let me say it this way to see if I conform,

I believe the sky is falling but I plan to fight the bastards with every last day I have left.

I have changed my strategies. I gave money to Fetterman, now I am giving money to the ACLU, Southern Poverty law center, AOC and Jasmine Crockett. I am supporting fighters.

My strategy is to fight back and I will seek out the Magats who live in my town and hound them every time Trump does something evil.

[stillcool]

74. I don't think anyone knows what is

going on, and what is going to go on, until it's in the rear-view mirror. Even then, only people who have been affected see clearly. I am kind of surprised at how many people think the rule of law, and the constitution are going to save 'we the people'. It will be interesting to see which way the Supreme's go, but recent history suggests gloom in the forecast. I think that on the other side of whatever this is, something much better awaits. It's just getting through.

[GusBob]

80. I challenge you

Come out to this Reservation with all its problems

Come into this clinic with all the health problems on top of all the Rez issues

Look at the attack on health orgs, I have honestly lost count here, they all remember COVID too well

Come on, big guy, get out here and call these long suffering folks Chicken Little TO THEIR FACES

They hate big talkers to begin with, especially Europeans

I dont think you'd hack it for one minute

[Orrex]

117. mic drop

[GusBob]

131. Ya know what?

If one were to refuse the gift of a 100$ from a Native American, to call it an insult would be generous

One would have a mortal enemy for life, and the animosity would last for generations

[MontanaMama]

83. For some folks, the sky is actually falling.

For others, it feels like it is. Just because it feels that way and they say so does not mean they're giving up. I had a really bad day yesterday over all this...It felt terrible. Does that mean I give up? Absolutely not. A good night's sleep does wonders. I respectfully suggest not calling what people feel and how they express it "bullshit". It is not helpful.

If you believe that someone is expressing what you consider "bullshit", you can scroll on by.

[PortTack]

84. Yes absolutely yes...the bigger his bluster, the less likely he can do anything

[uponit7771]

87. Everyone can't afford comfortable, people need a plan right now there aren't many

... for the people who his EOs are hurting first

[surfered]

91. Not sure I agree. Trump is blackmailing California for FEMA aid.

The US is withdrawing from the WHO while avian flu, Marburg disease, and other infectious diseases are blossoming. Cancer research is being delayed. Veterans’ health care will be reduced. Prescription drug prices are going back up. DEI programs are being dismantled and the LBGT community is under attack while a FOX News talking head drunk, and woman abuser is being installed has Defense Secretary.

There’s more , but I don’t have time to list it all and this is only the 5th day of Trump’s reign.

[cab67]

94. It's certainly falling for some friends of mine.

Most of my colleagues get their research support from NSF, but a fair number work through NIH or CDC.

Two of them have had their jobs suspended, and two others have had job offers revoked indefinitely. The idiotic decision to halt proposal review panels at these agencies is catastrophic.

Is this as big a thing as trying to take away birth-right citizenship, which even the current Supreme Court is unlikely to go with? Probably not. But people I know are feeling some real pain because of this obscenity.

[Lunabell]

95. It is for some people.

Transgender peeps were just erased from existing. Maybe you need a little empathy for what others are going through.

[demmiblue]

105. "Maybe you need a little empathy for what others are going through."

[Jakes Progress]

102. Whew. I thought trump being president would be bad.

It's nice to know that all we have to do is stay sunny and be glad that most of us are cis, white, citizens with a pension.

Tuff shit for our brown and trans friends. Oh. And for the earth we live on.

(Please know this is sarcasm. If the last four days doesn't worry you, you aren't paying attention or you don't care.)

[NoRethugFriends]

104. so many apologists for your post

The damn sky is falling if you're paying attention.

[Native]

125. nailed it

[NoRethugFriends]

127. Thank You!

Are people not paying attention?

[Native]

129. in their defense, the amount and speed at which the shit is hitting the fan

has to be hard to keep up with. I will admit I was tempted to respond to the OP with something snarky about planes falling from the sky, but I didn't because I really think people aren't fully aware of all that has happened. It's fucking insane. So glad I renewed my passports.

[dutch777]

108. Indeed. It's a crappy situation and we just push thru. Take back House and Senate in '26 on the f-ups T will offer

and then on to '28. They have to fight all this on as many fronts as we do and Mitch McConnell et. al. have showed us the deny and delay methodology, now its our turn.

[Blues Heron]

109. Don't worry, be happy!

[bigtree]

112. battle lines are just now being formed

...and like I counseled my wife, the idea right now is to get folks riled as we can, and then hopefully activate the public to oppose these things. It can fray the nerves, so you need a thick shell for these times.

Angst is understandable, but eye on the ball. The fight is everything, and amplifying everything the Trump republicans are doing is the game today, voting on legislation comes later.

We're looking to knock off a handful of republican votes on important legislation, in both houses where we're in the minority. It's going to be worrying, and we will lose some of these fights in this Congress, but the fight is everything right now. That means talkng, writing, amplifying both republican faults and our own positions and views.

We lost the political fight in the election, so we have ground to make up, and it isn't going to be comfortable or pretty. No time for despair, time for an uptick activism and advocacy. Midterm elections begin today.

[Orrex]

115. Why the fuck do you think that they think they need a mandate?

To them, the office is the mandate, and it’s culpably naive to pretend that they won’t act that way.

In my time on DU, one constant has been the presence of A Certain Type of Person who presumes to dictate which topics are valid, and anyone who disagrees must be bullied and insulted into silence.

It’s unclear why you would gaslight fellow DUers who don’t share your tunnel vision optimism.

[DAngelo136]

116. The Good News Is...

that we can be the ass h*les now. We don't have to cooperate with the MAGA nuts and RWNJ agenda. "Just say NO" to everything. They're in charge, let them clean it up.

[Cirsium]

126. What does that mean?

What does "the sky is falling" mean? Are you mockingly comparing people here to "chicken little?" Are you saying that people are overstating the danger?

I don't think anyone expected everything Trump tried to do to go smoothly for him. Yes, there are lawsuits, yes some judges have put the brakes on Trump's EOs. No surprise there. It is true that the Republicans do not have a super majority in either chamber, but they have enough to do a lot of damage.

If people need to take a break or drop out for their own sanity that is entirely understandable. But to tell people not to be alarmed, or to mock those sounding the alarm, is in my opinion very dangerous.

[obamanut2012]

134. Yes, OP is doing exactly that imo

I really am gobsmacked he is tbh.

[Kaleva]

152. What are you doing differently in response to the danger?

The greater the danger is, the more vigorous the response will be to it. If the issue or matter is deemed to be of little threat or concern, then folks might limit themselves to posting their opinions on social media. If the perceived threat is thought to be vary serious, then you'll see people flee, go into hiding, arming themselves, or be taking other extraordinary measures.

[Cirsium]

162. Not true

It is not true historically that the greater the danger, the more vigorous the response.

[Kaleva]

167. Looks at the evacuations from the fires in LA

Another example are the tend of thousands of refugees fleeing the fighting in Syria. We have migrants coming into this country trying to escape the gangs in their own country. During WWII, there was a mass number of German civilians trying to flee from the advancing Russians .

[Cirsium]

168. We are done

Ridiculous examples.

[NoRethugFriends]

128. Can we please stop with the "Sky is not falling" bullshit

[Sewa]

133. From a Garland apologist

No that’s 🤮💀

[BannonsLiver]

138. Thread takeaways

1. This messaging in the OP is deeply unpopular.

2. “My marginalized group
Is more oppressed than your marginalized group!!”

3. The sky is in fact falling for many people.

[SocialDemocrat61]

140. I would add

No one should be trying to pre censor other peoples’ posts.

[Kaleva]

155. Why are people so passive if indeed the sky is falling?

[uponit7771]

160. Being informed, prepared and sounding alarms is the opposite of passive

[Kaleva]

166. Well, some here do have a plan

[GusBob]

161. I challenge you too

Come out to the Rez and call any Native American “marginalized “ to their face

You talk a great game, walk it

[BannonsLiver]

163. Oh no a call out!!!!!

[Mme. Defarge]

139. KEEP CALM

AND CARRY ON.

[Jit423]

141. Nevertheless, many people are frightened and if your job is on the line, don't tell me to stop with the bull shit.

I see panic on my neighbor's faces and heartbreak in their eyes even though they are naturalized citizens.

[alarimer]

145. It is falling, though.

There is no point denying it.

Just look at the way he is hobbling federal agencies. This is unimaginably bad.

Not only will it affect federal agencies, it will affect state agencies. If NOAA stopped all grants, most state DNRs (in coastal areas) would end up laying off people and so would NGOs. We have many ecosystem restoration projects that would be halted in their tracks.

They have stopped purchases at NIH facilities, including HOSPITALS, so sick people can't be fed, to say nothing of lab supplies.

[Skittles]

149. Hegspeth head of DOD

Putin and Xi's wet dream

[Dem4life1234]

146. Why couldn't we have a fun president?

Who writes EOs like every Friday should be pizza party day or something?

Old hateful miserable creature he is!

[I_UndergroundPanther]

150. The sky isn't falling

But our government is chock full of Nazis.

The road to fascism is paved with people saying you are overreacting.

[elleng]

151. Sorry, but NO stopping when the sky IS falling.

Rational people must recognize it.

[JohnSJ]

154. Thank-you.

[Paladin]

165. +1,000,000.

There ought to be coast-to-coast street demonstrations RIGHT NOW over what trump has done in his first few days.

[Skittles]

156. Trump is prez, Hegspeth is head of DOD

seventeen IG's fired to enable widespread corruption

America is falling

[hamsterjill]

157. They've already done quite a lot without a mandate

But, hey, let’s just sit around the campfire and sing kumbiya, right?

[Vinca]

158. While everything you said is true, the sky seems to be falling anyway. If Republicans had even a partial spine

it might not be so worrisome, but they don't. From Congress to the Courts to the greedy billionaire's club, it seems the bootlickers are determined to destroy the country. As of day 5, they seem to be succeeding.

[lark]

159. We also now do not have any scientific research going on that would find the cure to the next pandemic - on purpose!

Everything he does is to profit the rich and kill the middle class/poor - he hates us because we have money that he wants to steal for himself and killing us is the fastest way, so that's what he's pursuing the most.