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(2,301 posts)Between the Noem and the Ratcliff votes, he's tossed any progressive creds he ever had.
niyad
(121,595 posts)Celerity
(47,563 posts)Jack Valentino
(1,603 posts)especially when it's my own senator (Slotkin)
She was my congresswoman before that...
Cha
(306,547 posts)Kaine gets blowback from his constituents.
yourout
(8,211 posts)Brought absolutely nothing to the ticket.
underpants
(188,098 posts)Irish_Dem
(62,220 posts)Several possible reasons come to mind.
niyad
(121,595 posts)Irish_Dem
(62,220 posts)MadameButterfly
(2,287 posts)Irish_Dem
(62,220 posts)Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #2)
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Smooth155
(23 posts)Because we democrats don't hold them to task like republican voters do with there politicians.
Irish_Dem
(62,220 posts)Oneironaut
(5,873 posts)Magoo48
(5,743 posts)Bread and Circuses
(395 posts)Irish_Dem
(62,220 posts)Emile
(31,846 posts)58Sunliner
(5,144 posts)Something is inherently wrong right now!
niyad
(121,595 posts)Initech
(103,130 posts)Oh how I utterly loathe that wretched channel.
mucifer
(24,985 posts)niyad
(121,595 posts)pdxflyboy
(771 posts)niyad
(121,595 posts)MIButterfly
(47 posts)I am dismayed and disgusted. Every day brings something even more outrageous and unbelievable than the day before. How am I going to get through the next four years when this past week has been so horrendous?
I never liked Gary Peters, but I always voted for him because, as my mother used to say, the worst Democrat is better than the best Republican. Besides, what other choice do I have? I haven't missed an election since I became old enough to vote.
kelly1mm
(5,526 posts)"I never liked Gary Peters, but I always voted for him because, as my mother used to say, the worst Democrat is better than the best Republican. Besides, what other choice do I have?"
This is why they vote the way they do. There are no consequences as you will continue to vote for them.
Cirsium
(1,504 posts)Seven Democratic senators voted to confirm former South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R) as the head of the Department of Homeland Security, allowing her to lead an agency that will be paramount to President Trumps plan to crack down on illegal immigration during his second White House term.
Noems nomination was approved with a 59-34 vote, cruising to the position with less scrutiny and uncertainty compared to other Trump nominees.
Sen. John Fetterman (Pa.)
Sen. Maggie Hassan (N.H.)
Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.)
Sen. Andy Kim (N.J.)
Sen. Gary Peters (Mich.)
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.)
Sen. Elissa Slotkin (Mich.)
https://www.yahoo.com/news/7-democrats-voted-noem-homeland-213853044.html
groundloop
(12,450 posts)Sadly I have two ultra right wing trump ass kissing Senators, but I'm still going to give them hell for this.
If nothing else I'll be releasing some pent up anger.
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It is more like fury for me than displeasure.
So many people have been fighting so hard against the MAGA wave here in Michigan. Do they it are abiut that? Did it only matter when they wanted money? How do we face all of the people whom we convinced to support Slotkin now? They have made complete fools of their supporters.
It is not as though we are asking very much of them. Such a low bar. Kristi Noem? Kristi f-ing Noem??? What a huge "f you" to every Democrat in Michigan.
Autumn
(47,005 posts)doc03
(37,257 posts)lame54
(37,369 posts)If you count Pennsylvania Senator Manchin Sinema
Wiz Imp
(3,128 posts)For the Record, there have been 4 confirmations so far.
Every single Democrat voted to confirm Rubio
Every single Democrat voted against Hegseth
These 6 Democrats voted FOR both Noem & Ratcliffe
Sen. Maggie Hassan (N.H.)
Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.)
Sen. Andy Kim (N.J.)
Sen. Gary Peters (Mich.)
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.)
Sen. Elissa Slotkin (Mich.)
Only 20 Democrats voted against both Noem & Ratcliffe
Baldwin (D-WI)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Blunt Rochester (D-DE)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cortez Masto (D-NV)
Duckworth (D-IL)
Heinrich (D-NM)
Hirono (D-HI)
Lujan (D-NM)
Markey (D-MA)
Murphy (D-CT)
Murray (D-WA)
Ossoff (D-GA)
Padilla (D-CA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schiff (D-CA)
Schumer (D-NY)
Van Hollen (D-MD)
Warren (D-MA)
lame54
(37,369 posts)His betrayal counts as two
niyad
(121,595 posts)lame54
(37,369 posts)And pick up on how frustrated I am with Fetterman
niyad
(121,595 posts)jaw-dropping defense of that. . rather questionable nominee. Hoody guy is truly pissing me off, and he isn't even my senator (neither of mine voted for this disaster, although we are having a liitle chat about li'l marco).
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,744 posts)ProfessorGAC
(71,317 posts)On neither list.
I wonder why.
Wiz Imp
(3,128 posts)The full list of those voting YES on Ratcliffe but NO on Noem
Alsobrooks (D-MD)
Bennet (D-CO)
Booker (D-NJ)
Coons (D-DE)
Durbin (D-IL)
Gallego (D-AZ)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Hickenlooper (D-CO)
Kelly (D-AZ)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Merkley (D-OR)
Rosen (D-NV)
Schatz (D-HI)
Smith (D-MN)
Warner (D-VA)
Warnock (D-GA)
Welch (D-VT)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
ProfessorGAC
(71,317 posts)niyad
(121,595 posts)Bluethroughu
(6,460 posts)Keep normalizing these trash cans and we will not have a country left for a vote.
Dem4life1234
(2,258 posts)I am so damn sick of this.
The piece of trash (I really want to say another word) killed a puppy and somehow she gets in?
Nanuke
(612 posts)Jacson6
(996 posts)It is just a sad part of pet & live stock ownership.
Think. Again.
(20,794 posts)niyad
(121,595 posts)with a sick dog.
Cirsium
(1,504 posts)Congratulations Peters and Slotkin! You just pulled the rug out from under 2,712,686 Democrats here in Michigan. I hope it was worth it. So many worked so hard to get you into office. Are we supposed to just accept this? You are normalizing the worst people in the country. That is not what we voted for, canvased for, contributed for. This a betrayal. Do you think we are stupid? That we will forget?
I am too upset to write any more about this.
MIButterfly
(47 posts)I totally agree.
Think. Again.
(20,794 posts)Mz Pip
(27,980 posts)some Democrats feel its time to stop saving Republicans from themselves. If they make things worse its on them.
niyad
(121,595 posts)every time we rescue them by preventing what they really want to do from taking effect, their MAGA supporters dont get to experience the consequences.
I doubt thats really their motivation but sometimes I think the only way to get people to wake up is to for MAGA to be victimized. Tariffs are going to hurt everyone, not just the woke libtards. Increased drug prices hurt MAGA. Maybe they need to feel the pain to get it through their thick skulls that Trumps policies really really suck and he doesnt give a flying f
about them anymore.
niyad
(121,595 posts)possibky rethink things.
Mountainguy
(1,218 posts)More purity tests?
They voted for her because they think she's capable of doing the job she's nominated for. "Do I like her" isn't and shouldn't be part of the qualification.
Walleye
(37,239 posts)Autumn
(47,005 posts)to head the Department of Homeland Security and being upset at Democrats who voted for her is a purity test and eating our own. That boggles my fucking mind. Those democrats are unfit to hold a seat in our party if they think she's qualified to hold that position.
Mountainguy
(1,218 posts)Autumn
(47,005 posts)She will follow trump off a cliff and she echos his talk of invading Mexico. My question is what the fuck makes YOU think she qualified to head up Homeland security? Because a few democrats voted for her?
Mountainguy
(1,218 posts)experience managing an organization of that size.
Whoever takes up Homeland is going to do what Trump wants
Autumn
(47,005 posts)Any Democrat voting for her is not looking out for our people.
Mountainguy
(1,218 posts)Autumn
(47,005 posts)The kind who will kiss the ass of a fucking rapist who hates all women unless they look like his daughter and he can grab their pussy.
Oopsie Daisy
(4,961 posts)Celerity
(47,563 posts)WASHINGTON, DC A new analysis from government watchdog Accountable.US found Governor Kristi Noem (R-SD)s family investments pose a potential conflict of interest if confirmed as President-elect Trumps choice to lead the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). At issue are tens of thousands of dollars in investment in Granite Falls Energya fuel-grade ethanol, distillers grains, and crude corn oil company that exports ethanol and other products on the international marketthat could benefit from Noems control of DHS. These investments appeared again in Noems ethics disclosure form made public this week.
Specifically, Granite Falls Energy LLC is invested in a controversial multi-billion dollar carbon dioxide pipeline likely to be overseen by DHSs Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and could qualify for federal carbon sequestration payments. And the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), which oversees exports, controls border crossings that affect the biofuels industry, and administers potential new tariffs on ethanol. If confirmed, Noem could be in the position to reduce inspections on export shipments and block new tariffs.
Noems investments add to a rapidly growing list of conflicts of interest for the incoming Trump administration that set the stage for special treatment for corporate interests at the expense of everyday Americans.
Kristi Noem brings even more conflicts of interest and potential for corruption to the incoming Trump administration. Noem made no apologies when she was accused of abusing South Dakota taxpayer resources for her personal benefit, so itd surprise no one if she used her newfound federal powers to grease the wheels for her familys biofuel interests, said Accountable.US Executive Director Tony Carrk.
https://sites.google.com/accountable.us/twr-factsheet-kristinoem/
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A South Dakota ethics board found sufficient information that Noem may have engaged in misconduct when she intervened in her daughters application for a real estate appraiser license. The state paid $200,000 to settle a complaint from the agency director after she was later forced to retire by Noems labor secretary. Noems family members received $600,000 from a COVID-19 relief program, previously capped at $100,000 until Noem raised the cap. Noems use of a state plane blurred the lines between official travel and attending family or political events, prompting a state investigation.
During Noems tenure, the South Dakota governors office had a rapid turnover. Mark Miller became Noems fifth chief of staff to depart the office, leaving the governors office without a chief of staff for over a year. Noem was criticized for the trend of out-of-state staffers completing short stints in the governors office, which detached them from institutional knowledge and local relationship-building.
A recent report details Noems decision not to deploy South Dakotas National Guard amidst historic flooding that ruined homes and businesses. Noem said, We have to be wise about how we use our soldiers. Noem was traveling out of state to support Trump during a critical point in the disaster.?? Noem had previously spent millions of taxpayer dollars to deploy the Guard to the US-Mexico border, which was one reason Trump nominated her to lead DHS. The Department of Homeland Security also includes the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which assists with flooding and other climate-related disasters.
Kristi Noem has no experience in federal homeland security policy. Her time in Congress did not include a stint on the Homeland Security Committee. In her book, Noem described meeting North Korean leader Kim Jong Un during her time in Congress and canceling a meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron last year. The anecdotes appeared to be an attempt to bolster her foreign policy experience, but her office later admitted the book contained errors.
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niyad
(121,595 posts)posting this as its own OP, for wider visibility? Thanks in advance.
Lunabell
(7,214 posts)Mountainguy
(1,218 posts)Lunabell
(7,214 posts)niyad
(121,595 posts)from being a loyalist to the F'n, murdering, orange, RAPIST/TRAITOR**/FELON34.
Mountainguy
(1,218 posts)She's more than qualified to run homeland.
niyad
(121,595 posts)as opposed to the power brokers. And kindly address her sycophancy for the orange TRAITOR**. Your determined defense of her is fascinating.
Mountainguy
(1,218 posts)The question was why should Democrats in senate have voted for her. The only answer anyone wanted to give was either "BECAUSE" or saying she was unqualified. Her qualifications are clearly in line with several other Homeland secs. Her accomplishments are a matter of opinion and she's a Republican, so you shouldn't expect that her definition of positive action and yours aren't the same.
And question me all you want. I'm not the one here bashing Democrats.
niyad
(121,595 posts)interesting state of affairs. On being asked to name one useful, positive thing she did for SD, you demur, claiming such is irrelevant. So she ran a state. .bfd, so do other fucked-up, incompetent people. She fucked up her state's covid response, and she could not even set foot on tribal lands. oh yeah, that is the person I want running TRAITOR**'s dept of brownshirts.
But do, please, keep defending her. Frankly, I need the laughs.
Hong Kong Cavalier
(4,590 posts)South Dakota would vote for Charles Manson if he ran in the state as a Republican. The days of Tom Daschle and Tim Johnson (both Democratic senators and both very good people) are long gone in my home state.
I only visit my mom there now, who would rather be almost anywhere else. Even Senator Thune couldn't stand her when she was the state's sole Rep.
Mountainguy
(1,218 posts)But future political aspirations are also not part of the consideration.
Oopsie Daisy
(4,961 posts)... it fact it hurts. It divides and weakens our party, which only benefits the GOP.
Walleye
(37,239 posts)niyad
(121,595 posts)Bobstandard
(1,785 posts)Theyll say the Republicans had the votes to get it done so they didnt want to alienate Trumpers, MAGAts, etc, when the next election comes around. The assume that no matter how bad they are, well support them simply for the D next to their name. Its easy to see that most of all they care about themselves. No profiles in courage here.
Wiz Imp
(3,128 posts)Will lead to a Senate with only 25-30 Democrats total by 2028 or 2030.
Understand, that not a single Republican voted against Noem so she would have been confirmed even without a single Democratic vote so their votes had absolutely no impact.
Autumn
(47,005 posts)fucking sure there is a Senate with only 25-30 Democrats by 2028.
Wiz Imp
(3,128 posts)Until that happens, requiring every Democrat to oppose every Republican is pointless since it accomplishes nothing. The nominees are confirmed anyway. No capitulation involved.
SayItLoud
(1,748 posts)Dems are adrift. Still sending me dozens of texts for $. Not a F'n dime going there way until we have leadership, a MESSAGE and a messaging operation that works.
yankee87
(2,472 posts)There should be zero Democrats helping MAGA. I fear well be left in the dust if we dont get some courage
Wiz Imp
(3,128 posts)Democratic votes had no impact.
Dem4life1234
(2,258 posts)She's so unqualified!
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Abstractartist
(181 posts)If this party thinks working with this president is the answer, then this party is going to have a MAJOR rejection of any democrat running in 26 and beyond. Every Senator that voted to put Noem in should be censored and if around in 26, have their committee assignments stripped, then primaried.
Wiz Imp
(3,128 posts)Because I guarantee such action would lead to losing all of those seats.
jalan48
(14,617 posts)Scubamatt
(111 posts)with our "leadership"; I get that the Pukes likely had the votes to get her through, but these votes undercut the message that Trump is nominating the most extreme fanatics ever. Once again, Dem leadership seems more interested in showing that "they will work with the president" than in demonstrating how extreme these fascists are across the board. And please don't start with me that we couldn't have won any way. Fighting on all fronts with strong consistent messaging: lays the foundation for when Trump overplays his hand; AND helps keep morale up in the rank and file. Pukes know this and do it well. How many of Biden's or Obama's cabinet nominations got SEVEN (!) Puke votes?
Wiz Imp
(3,128 posts)For Biden it was 12 out of 15. And those 12 all got at least 14 Republican votes. And a 13th got 6 Republican votes. The other 2 nominees got 1 and 4 Republican votes respectively. Not a single Biden nominee was opposed by every Republican.
For Obama, there were a total of 32 cabinet nominees because he served 8 years and numerous cabinet members left in the middle of his term. Of those 32, 9 were confirmed via voice vote which effectively means 0 no votes. 2 were 100-0, and 2 more were 97-10. Only 6 got less than 70 total votes. Only 4 got less than 60 total votes. Only 1 of Obama's nominees was opposed by every Republican.
Even in 2017, 7 of Trump's 14 cabinet nominees got at least 15 Democratic votes. Democrats' willingness to vote for many of Trump's nominees certainly didn't seem to hurt the Democrats in the 2018 & 2020 elections.
stillcool
(32,985 posts)explain that. Means a lot.
Wiz Imp
(3,128 posts)of a President's cabinet nominations. In reality, Trump in 2017 has been the only president in history (until now) where the vast majority of his cabinet nominees were NOT approved by the vast majority of opposition party Senators.
Republicans historically don't oppose Democratic Presidents' cabinet nominees except in rare cases. They know the nominees are going to be confirmed anyway. They save their fight for legislation and judicial nominees where they can have an impact and make a difference.
betsuni
(27,404 posts)Scubamatt
(111 posts)I stand corrected ; thanks for talking me off the ledge - I hope you're right about it not coming back to haunt us.
yaesu
(8,460 posts)ZRB
(300 posts)It's amazing how few people, even on a political discussion board, have any idea how the government and politics actually work. It's cringey.
dem4decades
(12,145 posts)a heartbeat now.
niyad
(121,595 posts)know exactly how politics work, but, hey, nice insult.
ZRB
(300 posts)in a Senate map thats only getting more hostile. The outrage should be saved for consequential votes.
BunkieBandit
(128 posts)Not let's play along to get along dot com.
is that since Trump's rise, normal politics don't seem to apply - at least not for him and his cronies. It's not that folks don't understand politics - it's that Trump has rewritten the rules without consequence and to many of us, it seems like our side still believes the old rules apply. Until someone sane gets control of the Republican party, the old rules/protocols don't apply.
onenote
(44,915 posts)who no longer deserves or should receive our support?
Folks are going to need a bigger bus if that's the standard for tossing elected Democrats under it.
They seem to confuse it with being activists/private citizens who aren't representing constituents (and don't have more information and experience doing their jobs than people on a message board) but saying/doing whatever they want as personal opinion, a government of one. Then comes the whining and purity tests.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,744 posts)niyad
(121,595 posts)unqualified and a loyalist to the felon. Because he is a weak sick sociopath among other things.
Emile
(31,846 posts)when they passed the Affordable Care Act.
Oopsie Daisy
(4,961 posts)Try not to bite the hand ...
Emile
(31,846 posts)So in a way you are correct.
Passages
(1,615 posts)Who benefits?
I don't understand the votes for Marco Rubio either, he is allegedly the "normal" Republican?