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Last edited Tue Jan 28, 2025, 12:11 AM - Edit history (1)
All my neighbors are on medicare or advantage plan. It's a senior village. One of the most outspoken of the MAGA supporters who lives here was crabbing at me this morning about the cost of her insulin. She filled Dec 27 - $10. Yesterday? $782.
TOUGH SHIT popped out before I could stop it. Loud enough for everyone to hear.
We had a short conversation after that. I did back track it a little because I really wanted her to see that her selfishness hurt her too. She got what she asked for. "Illegals" and "welfare queens" in need of insulin got cut off from a fair price. If no one benefits, that includes her.
I'm telling you, the MAGA geezers around here are not happy. Prices are going up, not down. The noise about invading Canada has them all upset. Firing inspectors and stopping agencies from informing us about health and safety issues has everyone on edge around here.
They got what they asked for. TOUGH SHIT.
EDIT TO ADD
Special thanks to Mrs. Toad - you mentioned a formulary change as a possible reason, since it turns out that provision for insulin was not affected. Too late today, but I'll mention that to her tomorrow. That is a great call out. THANK YOU.
Clouds Passing
(3,418 posts)RainCaster
(11,841 posts)Imagine what's coming next week...
enid602
(9,134 posts)Reduction in SS/medicare benefits? Defunding of Medicaid?
PatSeg
(49,789 posts)at lightning speed. Can't say he's a slacker; he's fulfilling many of his campaign promises.
The best advice I ever gave my children was, "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it".
I still can't believe these idiots bought his BS again!
bdamomma
(67,219 posts)goons are executing these illegal sick manifestos. This will not have a good outcome.
We must not stay silent.
PatSeg
(49,789 posts)knows how this story ends. These "goons" are going to create a world that even they won't want to live in. It's a lose-lose for everyone. I'll never understand such people. It is truly a serious mental disorder.
RainCaster
(11,841 posts)It looks like any company or lobbyists that wanted could add their wishes into that document with no oversight. Certainly there was never a look at the practicality or morality of what they are doing.
PatSeg
(49,789 posts)I didn't really expect too much morality from these people, but you'd think that at least they would be practical. In the long run, they will lose more than they will gain.
RainCaster
(11,841 posts)It will be seen in all it's unedited glory, for all time.
PatSeg
(49,789 posts)Bluethroughu
(6,460 posts)LisaL
(46,910 posts)She got what she voted for. It's not like they weren't warned about all this. That they screwed themselves up is one thing. But they screwed the rest of us by voting for Trump and I will never forgive them that.
Attilatheblond
(4,969 posts)those people would be wise to stay the fuck out of my way.
murielm99
(31,605 posts)It was expensive, so he started rationing it.
Bird Lady
(1,969 posts)And then ask her how is that working out for her? Then tell her he told you who he is and what he was going to do and yet she voted out of hate and a feeling of superiority designed to hurt people. Stupidity and hatred is terminal, she earned her pain. No sympathy
BigmanPigman
(52,515 posts)are going to say when we hear anyone bitch about tRump in the future. She already said it to an old friend and it worked. The friend was silent after that since she knew my sister's point was spot on.
Jack Valentino
(1,603 posts)Not everyone is nearly as tuned in to politics as we are---
but they should be.
Some people near the end of the campaign didn't even know that Biden was not running.
Bird Lady
(1,969 posts)for willful ignorance.
none deserve anything but what they will get. Which is nothing
Karasu
(439 posts)travelingthrulife
(1,325 posts)BattleRow
(1,299 posts)Surely those folks wouldn't feel the brunt of Trump's rape and pillage.
Walleye
(37,196 posts)Thank you for that one way trip back to 1978!!!! I had forgotten that one. Gonna start using it again!
BoRaGard
(3,715 posts)"Ha ha. Keep on gobbling up those sugarbabies, you wrinkly old geezer Suckers.
Just shut up your complaining, and hand over your credit cards. Ha ha. Suckers."
- G.O.P. PharmaBros, Inc. (R)
Attilatheblond
(4,969 posts)When the call comes that he has died, I might be doing a bit more than yelling tough shit to the maga idiots.
oldtime dfl_er
(7,040 posts)It's absolutely horrific. Many millions of innocent people will be harmed -- some to the point of death - by the morons who wanted to own the libs. There are no words.
Attilatheblond
(4,969 posts)Passive by nature, I am losing my filters mighty fast these days. Not much time left on my clock, so at a point, being law abiding has less appeal. Pretty sure I am not the only one.
There's gonna be a huge number of people with nothing left to lose and they will be a bit difficult to deal with for the law and order reliant Billionaire Class.
Linda ladeewolf
(574 posts)Has a program for humilin that is less expensive, please look into it.
IbogaProject
(3,978 posts)Not great but that is always availible. There are also two state consortiums working to make cheep insulin.
Keepthesoulalive
(952 posts)Oh well.
WhiteTara
(30,275 posts)said Bob Marley.
doc03
(37,255 posts)Arazi
(7,319 posts)He kept that one (and the one about being a dictator)
Hes reneging on the other good day one promises like no more inflation! and cheap gas and groceries! and ending all wars! etc etc etc
SheltieLover
(61,287 posts)Greedy repukes!
Tough shit is right!
.
One of his steakhouse menu executive orders - day one.
Soooo all you special MAGATs arent so special now are ya?
And, yes, people will die.
So disgusting!
Yes, people will die.
Attilatheblond
(4,969 posts)SheltieLover
(61,287 posts)BattleRow
(1,299 posts)Sig heile!
brush
(58,593 posts)drray23
(8,066 posts)Wiz Imp
(3,102 posts)Trump executive order voids Biden-era order aimed at lowering prescription drug costs
Posted 8:13 PM, Jan 23, 2025
DENVER There have been strong reactions to President Donald Trump's executive order that rescinded a Biden-era executive order aimed at lowering prescription drug costs.
Biden's order instructed the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to explore different ways to lower drug costs for Medicare and Medicaid programs. In response, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services announced a list of generic medicines that would be capped at $2.
That program was activated, and it's unclear if it ever will be now that the action has been voided by Trump. Denver7 reached out to spokespersons for the CMS and HHS, who said they are not responding to most media requests at this time.
HHS has issued a pause on mass communications and public appearances that are not directly related to emergencies or critical to preserving health," the HHS spokesperson said in a statement. "This is a short pause to allow the new team to set up a process for review and prioritization. There are exceptions for announcements that HHS divisions believe are mission critical, but they will be made on a case-by-case basis.
calimary
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LisaL
(46,910 posts)Trump is just starting. Wait till she finds out that her benefits are also cut.
XanaDUer2
(14,958 posts)One less Trump supporter
TheBlackAdder
(29,164 posts)XanaDUer2
(14,958 posts)To die too get us off ss and Medicare fill stop. Sorry this assholes meds went up but oh well. I'm confused bc i didn't realize this applied retroactivrly. No matter she ain't seen nothing yet
Conjuay
(2,261 posts)33taw
(3,007 posts)I was confused. So y did her insulin go up
Ms. Toad
(35,796 posts)They aren't required to cap all insulin - just a single brand. Since the last purchase was in 2024, the formulary probably changed Jan 1. She'll need to find which brand is now capped.
KentuckyWoman
(6,936 posts)Thank you. SO much.
WarGamer
(16,071 posts)https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/trump-reverses-biden-policies-drug-pricing-obamacare-rcna188555
ShazzieB
(19,149 posts)My husband is an insulin dependent diabetic, and I was on the verge of panicking. Fortunately (for now, at least), we are on Medicare.
SWBTATTReg
(24,620 posts)facts are indeed true, and can be easily verified. In this case, fellow DUers came to the rescue, and stated what really happened.
Slow down and don't panic, and make sure what you are posting is in fact, true. Otherwise, you'll panic a lot of us, we don't want that.
Blue Full Moon
(1,548 posts)They need to feel it and the republicans need to own it.
Cha
(306,528 posts)they're "crabbing".. Tough Shit Indeed.
TY
Vogon_Glory
(9,649 posts)I was taught to believe that such language was vulgar. But saying you got what you voted for and (most often) Youre old enough to know better expresses my feelings about as well.
Id like to say PT Barnum was right, but I doubt that most MAGA Magoos have the education or the smarts to understand what I was saying.
Marthe48
(19,830 posts)When I post things on fb.
Vogon_Glory
(9,649 posts)say one thing or the other.
33taw
(3,007 posts)reps, senators and the POS himself.
stollen
(663 posts)What did Trump do to get that insulin price change?
33taw
(3,007 posts)vanlassie
(5,913 posts)This seems incorrect and we should confirm.
33taw
(3,007 posts)Congress is trying to repeal the inflation reduction act that sets the limit on insulin at $35.
Butterflylady
(4,094 posts)Leaving us in the dust and who can blame them. When the shelves are empty, well , FAFO.
Evolve Dammit
(19,607 posts)Response to KentuckyWoman (Original post)
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Disaffected
(5,267 posts)Welcome to DU - we need a lot more critical thinking here.
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Nanuke
(612 posts)thinkingagain
(1,140 posts)Those who are putting together lawsuits against this admin
Would file one regarding
Firing inspectors and stopping agencies from informing us about health and safety issues
Because to me Americans have the right to health and safety if things arent inspected, that could cause us illness or death for example
those in charge of America are not doing their job and should be blamed
chowder66
(10,046 posts)Seems like it could be a mistake or she's lying to you.
Ms. Toad
(35,796 posts)Companies are required to have a single insulin available capped at $35/month. Because the last purchase was in 2024 and formularies on 1/1/2025, my guess is that the brand she was receiving was the $35 one in 2024 - and a different one is $35 in 2025. But, unless your neighbor figures out how to get back to the insulin that costs $35, she will be paying far more than the $2000 cap on meds - since off-formulary purchases don't count toward the cap.
Trump's executive order does not change either the $2000 cap on Medicare drugs or the $35 cap on insulin. Those provisions are part of the law passed by Congress. Trump cannot undo a law by executive order.
crosinski
(565 posts)alarimer
(16,741 posts)Trump has threatened 50% tariffs on Colombia for turning back two military planes of migrants (because they were military planes and not normal commercial planes).
So your neighbors will be mad about that too. But at least a lack of coffee never killed anyone, as far as I know. Can always switch to tea for now.
People are now entering the "finding out" portion. I can't really laugh because there will be a lot of undeserved collateral damage. Some, like my dad, will not learn their lesson because, for now, my parents are fairly insulated from a lot of these things. For now.
FakeNoose
(36,394 posts)... although I will admit, Colombian arabica is my absolute favorite. Even Hawaiian coffee is quite acceptable.
I've accepted that changes are occurring in my life, and Chump is the cause of 98% of them. The sooner he dies or leaves office, the better off we will all be.
alarimer
(16,741 posts)But certainly a lot of coffee does come from Colombia.
No Vested Interest
(5,219 posts)Might be worse - Vance is a good speaker and could easily be elected Pres., in fact, apparently, some R's already have Vance in mind to follow you-know-who.
alarimer
(16,741 posts)He really isn't sincere in anything. He just sucks up to Trump.
I think MAGA hates anyone not Trump. I don't think they will follow anyone else.
BComplex
(9,218 posts)I hope it was just a threat....like he threatened to lower the price of eggs and then didn't.
jayschool2013
(2,513 posts)"Turn off _______________ (Fox/OANN/NewsMax)" would also work.
ananda
(31,136 posts)Now they're complaining because it's them getting screwed,
when it's been clear since 2015 that Donald Trump was
a selfish Nazi psychopath.
LiberalArkie
(17,006 posts)Snip
The Inflation Reduction Act gave Medicare the power to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies for lower prices for certain prescription drugs beginning in 2026. It also caps insulin costs at $35 per month for Medicare beneficiaries and a $2,000 out-of-pocket annual cap for people enrolled in a certain drug plan.
Trump's reversal of the 2022 "Lowering Prescription Drug Costs for Americans" executive order does not necessarily impact measures in the Inflation Reduction Act.
Since Congress passed the Inflation Reduction Act, it's unclear whether Trump's executive action will have any impact on the legislation's drug price caps, according to USA TODAY.
However, experts in the pharmaceutical industry have voiced concerns that the reversal could impact drug prices by curbing research into cost-reduction models and suggests that reducing drug prices is not a priority for the Trump administration.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/01/24/will-cost-of-insulin-increase-after-trump-executive-order/77881017007/
mackdaddy
(1,640 posts)Before her passing I took care of my mothers bills including medical co-pays.
She was on insulin and other expensive blood thinners so the total was six to 8 thousand per year which made her in and out of the 'doughnut hole' and some limits even 4 years ago.
But a big one was at the beginning of the year the co-pays reset and started over. So some of what this woman may have seen was she had already paid the co-pays for last year for her December purchase and they now started over so the new price might include all the new copays. And these copays may be much much higher with changes to her medical plan and whatever Trump did by taking a meat axe to all the programs Biden had put into place.
Woodwizard
(1,101 posts)I cannot find any information on this already effecting billing.
I did find info saying it is not.
There is so much to find wrong that is happening embellished stories are not necessary.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/trump-reverses-biden-policies-drug-pricing-obamacare-rcna188555
Joinfortmill
(16,989 posts)AverageOldGuy
(2,371 posts)Keep it up! Shove it up their nose dont give them a break.
yellow dahlia
(796 posts)Nimble_Idea
(2,494 posts)CanonRay
(15,008 posts)totodeinhere
(13,456 posts)on prescription drugs and Medicares negotiating drug pricing provision werent affected by Trumps executive actions Monday.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/trump-reverses-biden-policies-drug-pricing-obamacare-rcna188555
Let me be clear. I oppose Trump and I voted for Harris. But at the same time I believe that it does no good in the long run to be spreading misinformation at DU.
anamnua
(1,386 posts)Turkeys voting for an early Christmas
Initech
(103,113 posts)They voted for this shit. Let me go find the world's tiniest violin.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,744 posts)iluvtennis
(21,003 posts)marble falls
(62,803 posts)LilElf70
(654 posts)when I read stories like this. The con man narcissist is finally getting called out. People are figuring out they got screwed, and didn't feel a thing. Isn't that a shame? That's how con men operate. It's too late now. Are ya ready for 10 bucks for a dozen eggs, 2 bucks an orange, head of lettuce 15 bucks? I hope you don't need a new roof anytime soon. It's coming. This whole con is about to blow up.
To those that knew this was going to happen, save now because inflation is going to go thru the roof. The weird part is these magat idiots still keep buying trump trading cards, fake guitars and watches, etc. I hope they find our what a scam this has been, before they go broke. Food is a necessity. Fake guitars are not. Gee,,,,,,, the stupidity is unbelievable.
Aussie105
(6,612 posts)Dems won't - we were expecting it, they weren't.
Trump is going out of his way to make America a worse place to live, he is doing it out in the open, and is proud of it.
Invoking the 25th is just days away, if there is enough backbone in the corridors of power for that to happen.
Truth be told, Repug voters thought they were safe and Trump would only hurt the others, the D voters, the brown people, the gender fluid people, the book readers, the thinkers, the 'not us' people.
Trump told his biggest lie there, he hates everyone equally, and wants to hurt everyone in America. Except his immediate family and the boot lickers.
And even they need to watch their step.
No one knows how you voted, there isn't a database with your name and how you voted a pharmacist can look up and charge different amounts for insulin based on that. (If the story is true the price has shot up.)
4catsmom
(411 posts)and it's just getting started
choie
(4,938 posts)bdamomma
(67,219 posts)ignorance is going affect all of us. WE must RESIST.
JanMichael
(25,377 posts)Fuck the ones that voted for Trump or didn't vote at all because of eggs or Palestine. Fuck them fuck them fuck them.
I really don't care anymore. Oh no I need Melonomas jacket...
True Blue American
(18,326 posts)Heart medications. My Doctor and Staff are furious.
paleotn
(19,816 posts)Wait until they repeal the ACA this year. Don't think they aren't seriously considering it. And it's not just those in the ACA market and expanded Medicaid who will suffer. Since business models for the healthcare insurance industry take into account the ACA existing, going on 15 years now, this will cause major disruptions in the market and much higher premiums for everyone. Including those of us on employer plans.
Elmo isn't smart enough to understand that Americans don't react well to pain, economic or otherwise, and tend to lash out at even minor inconveniences. Violently sometimes. There's already a good deal of pain for many Americans. To the point that a huge number of them think Luigi Mangione is a folk hero. They're sowing the wind. I hope that Dems are smart enough to harness the whirlwind. Hubris and going too far are always their downfall.
yardwork
(65,120 posts)Will they vote for Democrats in 2026?
Beck23
(310 posts)There are patients at NIH and nurses giving them treatments. This person is a big Trumper. I wonder how she feels now that the Trump administration has stopped cancer supplies to NIH.
LisaL
(46,910 posts)a person who is cutting a tree limb they are sitting on.
uberblonde
(1,219 posts)Or did they get rid of that, too?
tclambert
(11,150 posts)TomSlick
(12,073 posts)If they voted for Trump, I tell them they got what they bought. Buyer's remorse can be tough.
spudspud
(575 posts)Response to KentuckyWoman (Original post)
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Raven123
(6,252 posts)And so far, they are getting exactly what they voted for.
Norrrm
(114 posts)Trump::: I don't care about you either.
jeffreyi
(2,136 posts)Blue Owl
(55,095 posts)aggiesal
(9,658 posts)sellitman
(11,692 posts)Can't effing wait!
Good job.
Morbius
(181 posts)I would have said "Remember you asked for this."
It sounds a little less harsh and sinks in better, in my opinion.
Ilsa
(62,418 posts)are now getting screwed. She needs to know that $STrump rescinded the $35 max per month for insulin, and the pharmaceuticals are thrilled to raise that price. STrump was bought by Pharma and he gave them what they wanted, snd "to hell" with everyone else.
barbtries
(30,102 posts)we are all in trouble.
and by the way boy it did not take long for big pharma to put the squeeze on. fucking predators with no soul only greed.
Grins
(7,992 posts)Been repeating Menckens line for years:
I would have said, So sorry. But you voted Republican!
Tough shit also works!
My fear as Republicans begin to make life miserable for those who voted for them - some damn Democrat will jump in and try to stop them. Dont!!!! Only when it starts to hit them personally will they open their eyes.
All that Democrats have to say is: Toldja!!!
dchill
(41,020 posts)Tough shit.
Sky Jewels
(8,853 posts)I hope the MAGA dumbshits suffer in misery.
And, yes, I know, everybody else suffers too.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,053 posts)Talk about giving a big "fuck you" to those who brought you to the dance. I don't need insulin, but my Mom did, and I hate to think of what would have happened to her without Tricare.
Skittles
(161,204 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,053 posts)I'm still pissed off about reverting Denali's name to Mt. McKinley. It was a long battle to get the name changed to something Alaskans already used from that of a president who had no connection to the state. It was originally named by a gold miner who was fan-girling McKinley because he signed the Gold Standard Act into law. This legislation officially established gold as the basis for the U.S. monetary system.
On the other hand, the name "Denali" comes from the Koyukon Athabascan word meaning "the high one" or "the great one." Native Alaskans have used this name for thousands of years.
I imagine Felon47 acted because he undid Obama's success at restoring the mountain's name to its original one, which honored the traditions of Alaska natives. It was a racist twofer, screwing over two people of color with one stroke of the pen.
Skittles
(161,204 posts)all he cares about is revenge - he is one sick man
JustAnotherGen
(34,130 posts)Sure why this is a bad thing to say to a Maga?
Progressive dog
(7,319 posts)No, Trump did not get rid of Medicares $35 insulin cap
Despite online claims, President Donald Trumps executive orders did not include removing Medicares $35 monthly out-of-pocket price cap, which is set by law.
https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/verify/medicare-verify/trump-insulin-35-cap-medicare-fact-check/536-c22d2c99-8384-415f-9d9e-bfadd507d323
Hieronymus Phact
(528 posts)"What are you complaining about? You're in Republican Heaven!"
FailureToCommunicate
(14,371 posts)- Indiana Jone's father (Sean Connery)
MAYBE MAGAs should have paid attention to what TSF was saying he would do once elected!
Now, it's "tough shit" for ALL of us.
justsomeguy01
(11 posts)"That's what we get when we vote for Republicans"
apeshot
(6 posts)I know where the trumpanzees can find Sympathy. It's in the Dictionary, between Suicide and Syphilis.
KentuckyWoman
(6,936 posts)Maybe I should be rude more often.
TygerrRRT
(4 posts)Here in Texas, they still applaud everything he does. And he has the news so full of what they want that they distracted from the reality of high insulin or eggs. Because "Trump has done more for America in 4 days than Biden did in 4 years" is the slogan. I gave up on these people.
Nimble_Idea
(2,494 posts)fafo