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Nevilledog

(53,395 posts)
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 03:04 PM Sunday

Will Bunch: Children of the 1960s watch in pain as the story of our lifetime is erased

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/trump-presidency-1960s-civil-rights-20250126.html

No paywall link
https://archive.li/HAPSG

My almost pathological obsession with what historians now call “the Long Sixties” — especially the years between JFK’s assassination in 1963 and Richard Nixon’s Watergate downfall in 1974 — includes way too much time still listening to the jangly pop anthems that blared in mono from WABC on an AM car radio back when I was in middle school.

More than a half-century later, now coming from something called Pandora and a magical device in my jeans pocket, I so often hear the hidden messages of hope and, yes, naivety buried behind layers of power chords and a Farfisa organ like some archeological dig.

One song that’s become a soulmate to my personal AI algorithm is Three Dog Night’s 1972 No. 1 remake of “Black and White” — a 3-minute-and-24-second window into what it felt like to be a 13-year-old in a moment that was supposed to last forever until it didn’t. The song was actually written in the 1950s (lyrics by actor Alan Arkin’s father, David, sung first by Pete Seeger) to celebrate a nation that was finally overcoming its grim history of racial segregation in the classroom.

“A child is Black/A child is white/Together they learn to read and write,” is how the Three Dog Night version begins, but the line that really gets me when I hear it nearly 53 years later is when they sing, “And now a child can understand/That this is the law of all the land.”

*snip*
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Will Bunch: Children of the 1960s watch in pain as the story of our lifetime is erased (Original Post) Nevilledog Sunday OP
An excerpt from the article SARose Sunday #1
This: Ocelot II Sunday #2
This trueblueinmo Sunday #3
A motivation for me right now to do "something"...anything I can do, yellow dahlia Sunday #4
I've apologized to my kids several times. Grumpy Old Guy Sunday #7
In the late 70's DENVERPOPS Sunday #14
Lamm was ageist. valleyrogue Monday #35
That totally DENVERPOPS Monday #51
No need to apologize, Grump! HighFired49 Monday #52
It is possible to experience both, at the same time. Prairie_Seagull Monday #18
EXACTLY!!! nt pazzyanne Monday #23
This is excellent. love_katz Sunday #5
And this while voting, for most folks, has never been easier, Ligyron Monday #32
You are correct. No proof needed. love_katz Monday #42
Hear, hear! Ligyron Monday #43
... Solly Mack Sunday #6
Bunch says beautifully what I have been stumblingly trying to articulate for months Hekate Sunday #8
... Nevilledog Monday #17
Three Dog Night mamacita75 Sunday #9
Wow! JMCKUSICK Sunday #10
I turned 21 in 1969. We scared the shit out of old, old money. Magoo48 Sunday #11
BINGO! OldBaldy1701E Monday #22
we can't even agree to boycott twitter. Voltaire2 Monday #26
Yup! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Monday #48
Another child of the 60's haryn Sunday #12
The repudiation of our work and efforts and beliefs WhiteTara Monday #31
Thanks WhiteTara haryn Monday #37
It's good that you are speaking out now WhiteTara Monday #40
thanks haryn Monday #41
Yep. I'm with WhiteTara. calimary Monday #45
calamari, thanks to you, too haryn Monday #49
Welcome! Nevilledog Monday #50
Bookmarked. This hits to the bone. Boomerproud Sunday #13
Bookmarking, for sure. I'm gonna make an ask out of this for our next Call to Action email. calimary Sunday #15
thank you Skittles Sunday #16
I didn't know the history of that song MadameButterfly Monday #19
Two steps forward, one step back Maeve Monday #20
Reactionaries imagine that if they can reverse public policy, they can reverse social change William Seger Monday #24
And fear is the mind killer Maeve Monday #25
We aren't going back to the 50's, we are moving into a twisted re-enactment of an imagined 50's. Voltaire2 Monday #28
Don't kid yourself. intheflow Monday #47
It's easy to break things RainCaster Monday #21
Building a bridge to the 19th Century bif Monday #27
If you want to get back to the 50's, you have to get rid of the 60's tulipsandroses Monday #29
A few days ago I expressed the same feeling of watching all I'd worked for being thrashed by TSF in a rely to sinkingfeeling Monday #30
I was born in late 1964 Deep State Witch Monday #33
The song (and I remember it well as it had such a catchy beat from a multitude of percussion instruments) BumRushDaShow Monday #34
excellent essay markie Monday #36
Background music moondust Monday #38
Louis Powell memo has become the blueprint of societal destruction Clouds Passing Monday #39
The Inquirer is independently-owned and not for sale. malthaussen Monday #44
I'm sorry, but the "Children of the 60's" did not walk in lockstep putting flowers in NatGuard rifles. intheflow Monday #46

SARose

(1,066 posts)
1. An excerpt from the article
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 03:07 PM
Sunday
The college campuses that once harbored the American Dreams of an ambitious and optimistic post-World War II generation — and which spawned vigorous debates and, yes, protests about the true meaning of democracy — are rapidly becoming tarnished ivory towers of fear and self-loathing, racing to cancel seminars about race or gender, punishing free speech, and abandoning diversity.


That pretty much sums up how I feel about now.

Thanks for a great read!

Ocelot II

(122,437 posts)
2. This:
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 03:10 PM
Sunday

"...“seeing everything I fought decades for wiped out in 5 days. I don’t know if I’m more angry or heartbroken. I swing back and forth. Knowing I don’t have too much more time here, I find myself saying to the wind, “‘I’m so sorry for you who will be left.‘”

yellow dahlia

(818 posts)
4. A motivation for me right now to do "something"...anything I can do,
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 03:28 PM
Sunday

is to not leave complete chaos and fascism (or worse) for those who will be left.

It is the child of 60's ethos...for sure.

Grumpy Old Guy

(3,664 posts)
7. I've apologized to my kids several times.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 04:41 PM
Sunday

Thanks to the ultraright we have left them a far shittier world

DENVERPOPS

(10,537 posts)
14. In the late 70's
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 05:30 PM
Sunday

Colorado had a true visionary. Governor Dick Lamm.......

He wrote many articles in the late 70's after he was term limited out as Governor

One article pointed out, that the NEXT GENERATION, would be the first generation to do worse than their parents in the history of America.......

Looking back, many of his articles were incredibly visionary insights on the future of health care, etc etc etc

He was absolutely LOATHED by the Republicans...........not only here in Colorado, but nationally.....

May he rest in peace, knowing he tried to tell us.....................

valleyrogue

(1,369 posts)
35. Lamm was ageist.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 12:39 PM
Monday

He thought old people had a duty to die and get out of the way. He was a scumbag as far as I am concerned, not a visionary of any kind.

DENVERPOPS

(10,537 posts)
51. That totally
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 05:49 PM
Monday

mis-represents what he said,........ and, as I recall, it sounds exactly like the stuff that was being slung at him by the opposing political party in Colorado at the time.......along with calling him Dr. Death, Governor Gloom, etc etc etc........

HighFired49

(393 posts)
52. No need to apologize, Grump!
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 06:34 PM
Monday

We accomplished a lot during the '60s. Now it's our kids', and theirs', turn to right the ship again. We can give them all of the support we can, but at our ages, many of us don't have enough energy to jump into the fray again. However, there are enough of us left to give guidance and support, along with actual participation, to stop the scourge that has come upon our country, but the younger ones need to learn how to preserve our freedoms and be loving and decent people. Nothing is permanent, and this too shall pass, hopefully without destroying our country. Peace and love to ya!

Prairie_Seagull

(3,911 posts)
18. It is possible to experience both, at the same time.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:45 AM
Monday

Weep and Rage simultaneously. Done it and what strange sounds I made. Like a wounded animal and I suppose that Is what I am.

love_katz

(2,895 posts)
5. This is excellent.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 03:35 PM
Sunday

It describes the rage and grief that I feel.

Many of us fought so hard for social justice, and healing of the life support systems of our planet .

The quote from Heather Cox Richardson, about how the pendulum of justice periodically needs a good hard push to swing the other way.
That's where we are now.

It is painful and discouraging because our generation is old now, dealing with the health problems and lower energy of age. And, unlike the oligarchs who seem to want to enslave us, we don't have bottomless pockets of wealth to fight back with.
I began voting before the end of the Vietnam war. I have never voted for Republicans nor any other conservative candidates. I knew that the sexiest, racist and classist bigots and haters have never gone away. I just do Not understand how anyone can just shrug and not bother with voting when it is the one chance we who aren't filthy rich get to have a say about anything.

Ligyron

(7,924 posts)
32. And this while voting, for most folks, has never been easier,
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:49 AM
Monday

Easier for those who can vote by mail for one, yet almost half do not.

"Both parties, choices are the same..." is something one will hear a lot when asked why they don't. "The owners of the country have spent a lot of money convincing you of that..." is what I tell them with no evidence whatsoever.

But it just feels right for some reason.

love_katz

(2,895 posts)
42. You are correct. No proof needed.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 02:23 PM
Monday

There's plenty of proof out there. But, the owners of the country will yank their money away from anyone who comes out and says that.
The major media outlets have always belonged to the wealthy. Thanks to the obstacles being removed for a certain group of people to buy all of them, we have ended up being barraged by the only opinions that the oligarchs will allow to be disseminated. Too many people have been brainwashed into feeling hopeless, with no insight into how that benefits the ownership class.
The information to counter the brainwashing has always been available, but obtaining it requires time, effort, and sometimes spending money.
During my teenage years, all kinds of alternative news papers sprang up. They may not have always been accurate, but they encouraged us to explore past the strangle hold that corporate McGreedia has on the public discourse.
Back in 1984, when I felt so angry and disillusioned by our fellow voters because Ronnie Ray gun ( deliberately misspelled) won the election in a 'landslide', I went searching for the reason why people would do that. It felt like a rejection and a throwing out of all that the struggles of the 1960's had stood for. I was angry and heartbroken. I believe it was an article in an alternative newspaper that the writer mentioned a book: Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television, by Jerry Mander. That book opened my eyes to exactly how the media had been hijacked and why progressive and alternative views never even got a hearing, let alone caught on with the general population. If you add in the fact that AM radio stations all got bought up by conservative owners, and that hate, bigotry, sexism and resentment of social progress got blasted into people's cars every day while they were commuting to work each day, it becomes sadly easy to see why we are where we are.
The Left just doesn't have the huge megaphone to continually blast our policies and how they can benefit the majority of people.
Big swathes of the country have low quality internet service, or in some areas, none at all other than maybe the public library. I can't afford satellite radio or Sirius XM, and I would expect that a lot of people can't either.
Deliberate disinformation, lack of information, brainwashing in conservative churches which never seem to lose their tax exempt status because of engaging in politics, and Citizens United, which allows gargantuan amounts of dark money and even interference by foreign governments to pour into our elections. Well, the results of that, and more, is how we got where we are today.

Hekate

(95,880 posts)
8. Bunch says beautifully what I have been stumblingly trying to articulate for months
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 05:00 PM
Sunday

Thx for this and for the link that I can send on, Neville

Will Bunch: Children of the 1960s watch in pain as the story of our lifetime is erased

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/trump-presidency-1960s-civil-rights-20250126.html

No paywall link
https://archive.li/HAPSG

My almost pathological obsession with what historians now call “the Long Sixties” — especially the years between JFK’s assassination in 1963 and Richard Nixon’s Watergate downfall in 1974 — includes way too much time still listening to the jangly pop anthems that blared in mono from WABC on an AM car radio back when I was in middle school.

More than a half-century later, now coming from something called Pandora and a magical device in my jeans pocket, I so often hear the hidden messages of hope and, yes, naivety buried behind layers of power chords and a Farfisa organ like some archeological dig.

One song that’s become a soulmate to my personal AI algorithm is Three Dog Night’s 1972 No. 1 remake of “Black and White” — a 3-minute-and-24-second window into what it felt like to be a 13-year-old in a moment that was supposed to last forever until it didn’t. The song was actually written in the 1950s (lyrics by actor Alan Arkin’s father, David, sung first by Pete Seeger) to celebrate a nation that was finally overcoming its grim history of racial segregation in the classroom.

“A child is Black/A child is white/Together they learn to read and write,” is how the Three Dog Night version begins, but the line that really gets me when I hear it nearly 53 years later is when they sing, “And now a child can understand/That this is the law of all the land.” *snip*

mamacita75

(153 posts)
9. Three Dog Night
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 05:04 PM
Sunday

was one of my favorite bands. Black and White was so wonderful to sing!
There are so many things we are mourning. This one really struck deep. It was the law of the land then.

JMCKUSICK

(786 posts)
10. Wow!
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 05:05 PM
Sunday

Talk about perspective. I'm deeply humbled on 2 fronts.
1. How sad I am that I was born about 15 years too late.
2. How sad I am that I missed out on what was the last real expansion of humanity on a scale.

Magoo48

(5,743 posts)
11. I turned 21 in 1969. We scared the shit out of old, old money.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 05:05 PM
Sunday

Most of us weren’t even aware of where the real power was.
We did catch the real power’s attention through. That power organized their long game and played it carefully and ruthlessly. So, here we are.
We are so satiated at this point with diabolically designed distractions that I’m doubting we will find the courage to be inconvenienced enough to defend our own freedoms.

OldBaldy1701E

(6,968 posts)
22. BINGO!
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:27 AM
Monday
We are so satiated at this point with diabolically designed distractions that I’m doubting we will find the courage to be inconvenienced enough to defend our own freedoms.


We are horribly controlled by our purchases, our entertainment, and the fact that they managed to convince plenty of people that a 'want' is just as important as a 'need'. Not to mention all the crap in advertising about how our 'time is too precious' to waste on things like taking the time to learn about products and trying to find cheaper prices.

And, we fell for it. Which is not that surprising. We also don't seem willing to change it.

haryn

(6 posts)
12. Another child of the 60's
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 05:26 PM
Sunday

For me it's the utter loss of what we tried to achieve. We were out on the streets of S.F., marching to end a war, for the freedom of the Black Students Union to exist at San Francisco State, for women's rights and equality. We weren't naive, but we had believed there was some positive momentum and it wasn't all hopeless. We certainly didn't believe half of the country would think fascism was a good thing and would elect someone so blatantly working to end everything this country tried to achieve (although it was always a journey not completed). Now, there's not even the pretense of a journey toward a more just society. I'm old, I likely won't live to see if and how far the pendulum might swing back towards sanity, but my children and grandchildren - everyone's children and grandchildren will - it's too horrifying to contemplate.

WhiteTara

(30,279 posts)
31. The repudiation of our work and efforts and beliefs
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:40 AM
Monday

has me so demoralized and bereft for all we tried to achieve. I think you and I are the same age and I too have given the effort my entire life and I have no idea where to go from here. I don't think I can live in a country that places so little value on life of the planet and all sentient beings, I am flailing.

Oh, btw, Welcome to DU my friend. May peace come to the planet in spite of them.

haryn

(6 posts)
37. Thanks WhiteTara
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 01:15 PM
Monday

I used to joke that de-evolution seemed to be a thing; but it's not (nor probably ever was) funny anymore. It is devastating seeing the proof of tribalism, hatred and willful ignorance being unleashed. It's hard not to want to leave.

Thanks for the welcome, but I guess I could be described as a lurker here - been a D.U. member for a long time, but rarely post.

calimary

(85,041 posts)
45. Yep. I'm with WhiteTara.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 02:53 PM
Monday

“It's good that you are speaking out now.”

Agreed. Yes INDEED!

calimary

(85,041 posts)
15. Bookmarking, for sure. I'm gonna make an ask out of this for our next Call to Action email.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 06:03 PM
Sunday

So noted.

MadameButterfly

(2,287 posts)
19. I didn't know the history of that song
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:51 AM
Monday

FAscinating.
Below is how the original version of the song began, referring to the Brown vs Education.

Their robes were black, their heads were white,
The schoolhouse doors were closed so tight,
Nine judges all set down their names,
To end the years and years of shame.

Maeve

(43,100 posts)
20. Two steps forward, one step back
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:00 AM
Monday

We are NEVER going back to the '50s; that set of worms needs a whole lot bigger can to put them in and it ain't gonna happen (or, if you prefer, that genii is out of the bottle and we broke the bottle)

An old tale of a king who was given a gift that would make him sad on his happiest day and happy on his saddest--a ring that said "This too shall pass" TSF is temporary, even if it feels like forever. We will, WE WILL, get thru this, as we got thru the Civil War, two World Wars and all the stupid in between. Keep the faith, baby (yeah, I was around in the '60s, too)

William Seger

(11,234 posts)
24. Reactionaries imagine that if they can reverse public policy, they can reverse social change
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:57 AM
Monday

They see change as a destructive force. They see society as forever sliding down hill, and if we don't slam on the brakes and throw 'er in reverse, we'll go over the cliff. The essence of "conservatism" is fear.

Maeve

(43,100 posts)
25. And fear is the mind killer
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:15 AM
Monday

There is light and darkness---fear is of the dark, light destroys it.
We're entering the dark but I will believe in the light that persists and will come again.

Voltaire2

(15,090 posts)
28. We aren't going back to the 50's, we are moving into a twisted re-enactment of an imagined 50's.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:26 AM
Monday

And as far as NEVER is concerned: that bridge has been crossed. We are there.

intheflow

(29,194 posts)
47. Don't kid yourself.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 03:28 PM
Monday

Trump doesn't want to take us back to the 1950s, he's aiming for the 1850s so those uppity Black people can be enslaved again.

RainCaster

(11,852 posts)
21. It's easy to break things
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:19 AM
Monday

Much harder to build things. This GOP passion for destruction will be seen by history as a horrible blight on this country.

tulipsandroses

(6,634 posts)
29. If you want to get back to the 50's, you have to get rid of the 60's
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:31 AM
Monday

That was said by one of trump’s well known white supremacist followers.
I will call them out for what they are. They are not Alt Right, Alt signifies alternative. There is no acceptable alternative. Calling them Alt Right, makes it seem like they are less dangerous.
So yes they absolutely want erase all the progress made in the 60’s.

Side note, any democrat spouting the nonsense of getting away from “ “culture issues”and paying more attention to “the people “ should be primaried. You clearly do not understand the danger or not up for the fight.

sinkingfeeling

(53,657 posts)
30. A few days ago I expressed the same feeling of watching all I'd worked for being thrashed by TSF in a rely to
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:32 AM
Monday

an OP saying it wasn't so bad and we'd overcome setbacks before. In response, I got back, "Really?"

Deep State Witch

(11,550 posts)
33. I was born in late 1964
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:55 AM
Monday

My neighborhood was typical of those times - a lot of new families moved out to the 'burbs to escape the poverty and pollution of the inner cities. I like to joke that I am a Trekkie from birth - Star Trek started filming the day I was born. I think it all started to go wrong with Watergate. Nixon and his crimes fractured this country, and there was no going back.

BumRushDaShow

(146,234 posts)
34. The song (and I remember it well as it had such a catchy beat from a multitude of percussion instruments)
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 12:32 PM
Monday


And yup, there is a pernicious and persistent effort to erase the gains that were made during that time that culminated after decades and decades of struggle.

markie

(23,065 posts)
36. excellent essay
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 01:00 PM
Monday


I have been immersed in the '60's of late... my partner created and is directing a play to be presented Saturday...

"We Had a Dream" I have had to go over all the speeches and photos from the time (to present, all the ups and downs)

it is a powerful play, and I know I will cry as I try to assist with the production Saturday.

https://chestertownspy.org/2025/01/09/we-had-a-dream-to-commemorate-the-march-on-washington-at-church-hill-theatre-on-february-1-2025/


edit: oh, I just noticed a typo in the ad that I hadn't seen before... of course the date is 1963!

moondust

(20,644 posts)
38. Background music
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 01:26 PM
Monday

in the 60s/70s often reflected the themes of freedom, justice, and love.

How much of today's background music cultivates that environment?

Everything changed with Raygun. Greed became God.

malthaussen

(17,843 posts)
44. The Inquirer is independently-owned and not for sale.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 02:45 PM
Monday

It deserves much greater National circulation than it gets. It's a very good paper.

-- Mal

intheflow

(29,194 posts)
46. I'm sorry, but the "Children of the 60's" did not walk in lockstep putting flowers in NatGuard rifles.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 03:26 PM
Monday

Many of them (us) were the children of the segregationists. While some college students sat at lunch counters to integrate them, the people harassing them were often the same age.



According to the AP, 51% of people 65 or older voted for Trump, and 52% of people 45-64 voted for him. These figures indicate that over 50% of "Children of the 1960s" were delighted to vote for the orange felon and his promises to drag the country back to at least the 1920s.

Yes, I always thought we hippy-dreamers were the majority, but I honestly think we're only 50% of the population, and have been right along. This kind of wistful memory of the past does no good to dwell on, though I suppose grieving your dreams is valid. But really - it took you over 50 years to realize your dreams weren't being implemented into law? That they were just feel-good SCOTUS decisions, which, as we now understand, doesn't mean shit to men who happily go back to the 16th Century to find supposedly legal precedent to overturn Roe? Not helpful, but good on you to finally catch on, Mr. Bunch.

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