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[LiberalArkie]

1. We used to have them. Like Bernie and his troops, but America rejected them.

[Scrivener7]

5. Who do you think would work?

[sunflowerseed]

2. What happend to occupy wallstreet

[Scrivener7]

6. It had no central organizing figure, so it fell apart.

[LiberalArkie]

7. Well it had a lot of leaders, but in the end the corporate Democrats won again. This is just my opinion.

[Scrivener7]

10. I think, though, that the group's intentional lack of, for lack of a better word, hierarchy, contributed to its fall

[LiberalArkie]

9. Corporate Democrats. I remember the discussions that if we wanted to win elections we need to meet the GOP

half way. They kept moving to the right as everyone knew they would. So the Democrats kept moving right with them.

The thing I look at these days is, where is the bill to move the top tax bracket back to where it was before the Reagan tax cuts.

When I see someone other than Bernie, then maybe we have some leaders. But he is an independent not a Democrat.

[stillcool]

14. I have people representing me...

that have a (D) after their name that have been very helpful to me over the years, as has my state. Bernie talks big, which I guess is all one needs to do to be approved by people on the internet. The moving to the right is not the political party, it's the political reality. It's changing tax laws, allowing monopolies to squash competition. This has been decades in the making, and many, many, many books have been written about our decline. But, no it's the current-day Democratic party that is at fault. Why bother?

[LiberalArkie]

15. "The moving to the right is not the political party, it's the political reality", only because we let them. We had no

goal but to be as big as the GOP and to have their money. The thing is that Bernie is still in the same place as he always was and where the Democrats were also. And the people also. But we allowed the Reagan policies to dominate. "Why should the U.S. spend money on science, and housing and health care" when we can lower our tax rates and all be millionaires like the Republicans.

When we started adopting the policies of the GOP we no longer had anything that was different.

Why do people pay double the price for Coca Cola over the store brand. The Coke is real. The store brand is a knock off. We are the knock off.
The public knows which party is the racist. Which one hates the same people they now hate. The public does not have the good guys leading them. No real political people telling them what is right and is wrong.

[Funtatlaguy]

3. Cedric the Entertainer

[Scrivener7]

8. Strangely, that could be a good pick. He is careful about his approach to Magats, he has a voice,

and he has a following. I don't do any social media. Forgive me if this is a really stupid question, but does he have a lot of followers?

[HAB911]

4. succinctly stated, I'm racking my brain

we once had leaders I would have followed into battle, now I'm struggling

[exboyfil]

11. Someone from the South or Midwest

I don't think the coasts are going to cut it.

Also there may need to be some compromise on certain positions, and those compromises might need to be explicitly stated (won't go into which ones since I don't want my post flagged).

I hate to say it, but this individual will probably have to be a man. The first woman president will most likely be GOP.

I have to wonder if Trump is going to make it through his entire term. I see the possibility of him making it to two years plus a little opening the door for Vance to be President for nearly ten years.

Four years is a long time.

[usonian]

12. We have world-class leaders. Arise!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219900398

Deliver the message.

[Scrivener7]

17. I could not agree more with all you say in that thread. How do we make it happen, though?

[usonian]

20. Write?

Joe Biden is the toughest.
There's this ice cream store at Rehoboth Beach where maybe you could post a note?

joebiden.com redirects. Don't tell the palace guard.

Obamas:
https://barackobama.com/

Clintons:
https://www.presidentclinton.com/contact

[Beastly Boy]

13. We need to establish and project unity of purpose first. Only then can we choose the right leader.

As things stand today, the Democratic Party is made up of a myriad of micro-purposes competing for attention, all desiring to have their own voice that would dominate discourse, and very few having the mass appeal to resonate among all Americans. Someone has yet to unify all of these interests into a single voice that will speak for all Democrats.

Kamala came the closest to projecting this voice, but it was too little too late. She was the first one in a long time who spoke on behalf of the middle class, and the interests of the middle class are common to the vast majority of all the Democrats (along with many ideology-neutral Republicans), no matter what other issues that divide us may be.

When the Democrats make the middle class their core focus and adjust their message accordingly for the long term, they will start winning elections again, like they have done in the past.

[Scrivener7]

16. I agree about the unity of purpose. It's a bit of a chicken or egg question, though. Can we choose that without

first choosing the central figure?

But I'm not even talking about a possible presidential candidate. It could be anyone who captures Democrats' imaginations.

[Beastly Boy]

22. We must do so.

I agree that a charismatic personality (and I am not necessarily talking about a presidential candidate) is pivotal in delivering the message, but the message comes first.

These two are not mutually exclusive, though.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

18. Rally the troops toward what goal?

[Sailingfish]

19. Not telling you what to do, but this should be in the way forward section.

More leeway in the discussion. I saw an OP from a few days ago where the poster was driven off and banned for daring to go against the grain of "acceptable discourse of the history of the United States." Pretty pathetic.

[Scrivener7]

21. Sorry. You're right. I'll copy it in there.

[Scrivener7]

23. As sailingfish rightly suggests, I'm going to close this in GD and move it to The Way Forward.

see ya over there.