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HAB911

(9,461 posts)
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:17 AM Jan 28

From Malcolm Nance on Bsky

https://bigthink.com/the-present/the-3-5-percent-solution/

No democracy movement has ever failed when it was able to mobilize at least 3.5 percent of the population to protest over a sustained period At that scale, most soldiers have no desire to suppress protesters. Why? Because the crowd includes their family members, friends, coworkers, and neighbors. With a population of 327 million, the U.S. would need to mobilize about 11.5 million people to assert popular, democratic power on the government. Could that happen?
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From Malcolm Nance on Bsky (Original Post) HAB911 Jan 28 OP
Yes................... Lovie777 Jan 28 #1
Yes, yes, yes. Magoo48 Jan 28 #33
Coincidentally... Hugin Jan 28 #2
Yes, it can happen.... FarPoint Jan 28 #3
Leadership meaning Congressional Dems? newdeal2 Jan 28 #12
We can be the leaders who lead elected leaders, too. Both groups can act together in ways that wake up the beaten down. ancianita Jan 28 #18
It has to happen - soon. NewHendoLib Jan 28 #4
TSF is a stark raving lunatic. Prairie_Seagull Jan 28 #5
It's on! liberalla Jan 28 #6
Any US troop who would fire on American citizens to please Trump and his cabal of psychopaths hadEnuf Jan 28 #7
The J6ers should have been mowed down. Lucky Luciano Jan 28 #9
The J6ers were trying to overthrow the government and execute people. hadEnuf Jan 28 #13
That unfortunately might be the catalyst oldmanlynn Jan 28 #15
Sure. But fortunately enough people know that freedom is hard, and so worth fighting for. ancianita Jan 28 #19
I'm in. n/t mtngirl47 Jan 28 #8
How does that work if geographically focused? RockCreek Jan 28 #10
Actually, what could be even more impactful, though less likely... OneGrassRoot Jan 28 #11
Who is going to lead the effort? oldmanlynn Jan 28 #14
that's the problem HAB911 Jan 28 #17
I'm 76 but I know there will be plenty for me to do if I keep my eyes open. Magoo48 Jan 28 #34
Malcolm Nance has this government game figured out, with data to prove it. bucolic_frolic Jan 28 #16
I miss Malcolm Bohunk68 Jan 29 #42
Awaken the spirit of massive civil disobedience? PatrickforB Jan 28 #20
The time to start is now. 58Sunliner Jan 28 #21
As long as you and all elected Democrats AKwannabe Jan 28 #22
yeah, better not to do anything HAB911 Jan 28 #24
I just said as long as the elected Democrats are out there with us AKwannabe Jan 28 #27
In all fairness HAB911 Jan 28 #28
THIS Blue_playwright Jan 29 #39
Not a matter of "could", but rather a matter of "will." ananda Jan 28 #23
With one third of America batshit crazy or otherwise conned Rustynaerduwell Jan 28 #25
Not Unless It Was Something Major Deep State Witch Jan 28 #26
Oh man! That would take effort. Hotler Jan 28 #29
Theoretically, yes. Unfortunately Americans Hassler Jan 28 #30
Where and when? lame54 Jan 28 #31
Right On Baron2024 Jan 28 #32
I guess I'm going to need a good pair of walking shoes. Buddyzbuddy Jan 28 #35
I'm still mobile Evolve Dammit Jan 28 #36
DJT has his fanatical followers, the core of his Blackshirts. malthaussen Jan 28 #37
Indivisible.org might be a good place to start. Jacoby365 Jan 28 #38
My local county in Upstate. Bohunk68 Jan 29 #43
it's going to have to happen. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 29 #40
Good Post Baron2024 Jan 29 #41

Magoo48

(5,817 posts)
33. Yes, yes, yes.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:32 PM
Jan 28

Don’t sit this one out folks. The bell has rung; it’s time to respond.

newdeal2

(1,554 posts)
12. Leadership meaning Congressional Dems?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:34 AM
Jan 28

I don't expect any of them to lead such a protest. Or be inspiring enough to start one.

No, it has to be from outside Washington and from the bottoms up. I don't think enough pain has been incurred to get 10+ million people protesting at this point. But we may get there eventually.

ancianita

(39,425 posts)
18. We can be the leaders who lead elected leaders, too. Both groups can act together in ways that wake up the beaten down.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:39 AM
Jan 28

Prairie_Seagull

(3,945 posts)
5. TSF is a stark raving lunatic.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:56 AM
Jan 28

Now more than ever, I'm in.

I would risk everything for my kids and my country.

Bring on the porta potties.

I'd follow Nance.

hadEnuf

(2,933 posts)
7. Any US troop who would fire on American citizens to please Trump and his cabal of psychopaths
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:29 AM
Jan 28

is worthless at the very least.

Lucky Luciano

(11,555 posts)
9. The J6ers should have been mowed down.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:31 AM
Jan 28

…but understood that you had the caveat about pleading fuckface..

hadEnuf

(2,933 posts)
13. The J6ers were trying to overthrow the government and execute people.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:48 AM
Jan 28

Previous demonstrations, although often unruly, never even came close to that.

oldmanlynn

(563 posts)
15. That unfortunately might be the catalyst
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:30 AM
Jan 28

That may be the catalyst for getting people to start opening their eyes and focused in on what’s going on

ancianita

(39,425 posts)
19. Sure. But fortunately enough people know that freedom is hard, and so worth fighting for.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:47 AM
Jan 28

RockCreek

(839 posts)
10. How does that work if geographically focused?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:32 AM
Jan 28

Eg: northeast and west coast provide the vast majority and small numbers turn out in liberal cities of red states. What does that geographical splitting do to the needed 3.5%?

OneGrassRoot

(23,560 posts)
11. Actually, what could be even more impactful, though less likely...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:33 AM
Jan 28

is if military family members and LEO family members were to mass protest.

HAB911

(9,461 posts)
17. that's the problem
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:38 AM
Jan 28

I'm not seeing that leader with the platform to ignite it, but then it has only been a week

Magoo48

(5,817 posts)
34. I'm 76 but I know there will be plenty for me to do if I keep my eyes open.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:43 PM
Jan 28

I have three children and six grandchildren, I’m not about to sit around waiting on the array of probabilities our next election depends upon.
Both hope and despair can be paralyzing, most of the work gets done in the middle somewhere. Forget who said that, but it rings true.

bucolic_frolic

(48,372 posts)
16. Malcolm Nance has this government game figured out, with data to prove it.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:32 AM
Jan 28

America should listen.

Bohunk68

(1,372 posts)
42. I miss Malcolm
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 07:25 AM
Jan 29

Used to hear him every morning on our local PBS station, WAMC out of Albany. Then he went to fight in Ukraine. Wish they would carry him again. BTW, this is my first post in a long time and glad to be back. Have kept up with the posts here.

PatrickforB

(15,155 posts)
20. Awaken the spirit of massive civil disobedience?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:49 AM
Jan 28

Many young voters 'broke for Trump' because they felt the Dem party was taking them for granted. Our whole election last year was the Dems waving the 'scary Republicans' in our faces, and younger voters didn't buy it.

Stuff I'm reading and hearing says we need to pound on THE ECONOMY. It is the number one issue and according to a new Gallup Front Page report, the biggest 'problem' Americans see is the government, followed by the economy, followed by immigration and inflation as fourth.

Our current antiquated superannuated leadership ignoring people like AOC for important positions over cancerous septagenarians becaust it is 'their turn' are GOING THE WRONG WAY. I'm freezing my donations for any Democratic party pac, the DNC, and the congressional groups UNTIL THEY BEGIN PUTTING MORE DYNAMIC PEOPLE ON THESE COMMITTEES.

I will, however still donate to AOC and a select few others - those who seem to have a spine and are not just expressing 'quiet outrage.'

AKwannabe

(6,542 posts)
22. As long as you and all elected Democrats
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:56 AM
Jan 28

Are out there with us getting shot and whatever else….just saying.

Protests are exactly what Rump wants so he can invoke martial law.

Thought about that Nance? I doubt it and I HIGHLY doubt you have a plan to be in the streets.

Next post…

AKwannabe

(6,542 posts)
27. I just said as long as the elected Democrats are out there with us
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 11:32 AM
Jan 28

I am game but they need skin in the game too. Nance literally asking people to do what HE WILL NOT be doing.

Fuck that.


And. Since you don’t know me, you can’t possibly know what I am doing. I won’t be announcing any of it. I’ll just be doing it.
It isn’t for the glory.

Next post…doing nothing

HAB911

(9,461 posts)
28. In all fairness
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 11:36 AM
Jan 28

you don't know what Nance will be doing. He went to Ukraine, and I expect he will be "doing something"

I agree about elected Democrats, not seeing much action there yet

Blue_playwright

(1,579 posts)
39. THIS
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 12:16 AM
Jan 29

The chaos is about marital law. 100 percent. Cause harm and chaos, get some protests, have law enforcement attack the crowds, declare martial law.

He's trying to beat Hitler's 53 days to dictatorship.

ananda

(31,185 posts)
23. Not a matter of "could", but rather a matter of "will."
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 11:07 AM
Jan 28

Of course we could.

But will we?

Rustynaerduwell

(739 posts)
25. With one third of America batshit crazy or otherwise conned
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 11:20 AM
Jan 28

We must not only harness 11 million people in sustained protest, but we must leverage that number against a stupified population ten times bigger and often louder.

Hassler

(3,978 posts)
30. Theoretically, yes. Unfortunately Americans
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 01:41 PM
Jan 28

Have become so atomized, siloed and convinced by "influencer " propaganda that it's all about the individual. Teamwork is a lost art that needs to be cultivated.

Baron2024

(976 posts)
32. Right On
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:06 PM
Jan 28

3.5 percent of the population is the same proportion that fought in the Revolutionary War. If we could mobilize roughly 12 million people we might stop this fascist debacle.

malthaussen

(17,874 posts)
37. DJT has his fanatical followers, the core of his Blackshirts.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:18 PM
Jan 28

Mostly, they are in ICE and Treasury. There are a significant number of Trumpistas in the military, but they are overbalanced by the percentage that would not do his bidding if push came to shove. He can make trouble in small ways (ICE raids, eg, since ICE is almost a wholly-owned subsidy), but he'll find it harder to make trouble in large ways.

These people will shoot their own mothers if Donny commanded it, but they are few. But if unopposed, a few can create a lot of problems.

-- Mal

Jacoby365

(486 posts)
38. Indivisible.org might be a good place to start.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:50 PM
Jan 28

They are organizing around the country with local groups, and they are looking for people to start groups. They had some large protests during the first tRump term.

Bohunk68

(1,372 posts)
43. My local county in Upstate.
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 07:29 AM
Jan 29

My local county, Schoharie, which is very red, has started this group with our new female county Dem head. I am a rep from one of the local towns.

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