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bigtree

(90,535 posts)
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 05:55 PM Tuesday

Colombia backed Trump down, got him to accept their demands

...I just heard the erstwhile republican Michael Cohen make a misinformed defense of Colombia's response to Trump's recklessly destructive tariff threats.

He starts out saying that Trump should have asked them nicely to accept refugees. That's nowhere near the issue or the problem. Colombia, like all refugee origin countries, have always accepted returned migrants.

The problem Colombia's president had was that Trump changed the civilian flights - which all presidents have used, even Barack Obama in his return of the most refugees in U.S. history - into military transport with deported individuals accused of nothing more than entering the U.S. illegally (a civil offense, not a criminal one) returned in handcuffs like criminals.

The reported 'deal' which Trump and Colombia arranged ahead of the lucrative Valentine's Day holiday, and in view of the threatened price inflation of the flowers Colombia sends to our florists and stores to the tune of $1 billion in revenue- achieved agreement on their offer of using a 'presidential plane' for the refugees, and acceded to the Colombian president's demand they not be treated like criminals on their return.

Colombian President Gustavo Petro, in defiance of Trump, had ordered Colombian officials to turn away military planes carrying deported migrants, and asserted that they should be returned, as it had been done in the past, on civilian flights.

"I can't force migrants to stay in a country where they're not wanted, but that country should return them with dignity and respect toward them and also our country," Petro wrote on Twitter.


The Executive flex from Trump to his republican supporters' complaints that immigrants are 'costing us jobs' and 'hurting the economy' was to slap tariffs on Colombia for reusing to receive their countryfolk, delivered by our military to their nation in shackles.

But the fight Trump started with Colombia had the real possibility of making goods from Colombia more expensive to American consumers.

It would hurt coffee shops, flower shops and other distributors, marketers, and sellers of coffee in the U.S. eventually costing jobs at those businesses here at home, essentially making Americans suffer for his zeal and inability to achieve what he wants on immigration legislatively. The U.S. is Colombia's largest trading partner, so this blackmail of Trump's was potentially destructive all around.

"There was a win-win here. The United States withdrew the threat of tariffs and Colombia was able to get the United States to accept that the treatment given to our citizens should be dignified," Colombia's ambassador to the U.S., Daniel Garcia-Pena told local television channel Caracol.

All Trump achieved with this stunt was to aggravate prices and threaten Americans in a reckless zeal to punish migrants. It should be hard to imagine that all of this bungling arrogance was supposed to be in our interest, especially considering all of the squawking he did in the campaign over high grocery prices and his promise to bring inflation down on his first day.

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Colombia backed Trump down, got him to accept their demands (Original Post) bigtree Tuesday OP
We need more of the glass-half-full takes. egduj Tuesday #1
If only our reps thinkingagain Tuesday #2
so he never told trump they couldn't return migrants? nt Tickle Tuesday #3
Columbia has never block returned migrants bigtree Tuesday #7
CNN Says otherwise MichMan Tuesday #4
you don't need CNN to misinform you on this bigtree Tuesday #5
I like to verify facts and there was no link in the OP MichMan Tuesday #6
you brushed past what I wrote, and produced a CNN article, on your own bigtree Tuesday #9
So, now that Colombia is going to now use their own plane, that means they are paying for the flights, not the US. MichMan Tuesday #10
we'll see if anyone bothers to report that bigtree Tuesday #11
Gleeful Prairie Gates Tuesday #8
Great post. Kick and rec. Kingofalldems Tuesday #12

egduj

(860 posts)
1. We need more of the glass-half-full takes.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 06:00 PM
Tuesday

Even if the glass is bone dry, it's still refreshing.

bigtree

(90,535 posts)
7. Columbia has never block returned migrants
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:11 PM
Tuesday

...it would be inhumane.

None of these countries at issue here do that.

In 2016, ICE documented 23 countries that are considered "recalcitrant" in taking back their citizens. The list includes Afghanistan, Algeria, China, Cuba, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Eritrea, Bangladesh, Cape Verde, Ivory Coast, Eritrea, The Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Liberia, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Sierra Leone, Senega, and St. Lucia.

MichMan

(13,919 posts)
4. CNN Says otherwise
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:04 PM
Tuesday
Colombia has walked back from the brink of a damaging trade war with the United States, reaching an agreement on accepting deported migrants being returned on military planes, after a flurry of threats from President Donald Trump that included steep tariffs.

Colombia said Sunday evening it had agreed to “all of President Trump’s terms,” including the “unrestricted acceptance” of immigrants who entered the US illegally, after two US military planes carrying deportees were blocked from entering the country.

“We will continue to receive Colombians and Colombian women who return as deportees, guaranteeing them decent conditions as citizens subject to rights,” Foreign Minister Luis Gilberto Murillo said in a televised statement. He added that US deportation flights had resumed, and the Colombian presidential plane was being prepared to assist in repatriating citizens.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-issuing-emergency-25-tariffs-against-colombia-after-country-turned-back-deportation-flights/ar-AA1xTTg0?ocid=BingNewsSerp

bigtree

(90,535 posts)
5. you don't need CNN to misinform you on this
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:54 PM
Tuesday

...you can discern the facts they neglected to report to you from what I've taken time to put in my post.

CNN is distorting the facts here, and doesn't contradict anything I wrote at all.

Colombia has ALWAYS accepted deported refugees, so touting the return to transports is misinformation.

The fact that they allowed the U.S. to resume those returns, that have been going on for DECADES through successive presidencies both republican and Democratic, isn't a concession by Colombia.

It's a return to status quo, before Trump decided to fly them back in handcuffs on military transport, so this is actually a case of the Trump administration backing down from their counterproductive policy.

The returnees are now being transported back to their country on Colombian presidential planes, instead.

AND Trump backed down from his threat of tariffs, which would not only harm U.S. consumers, but imperil the migrant returns and spark a trade war which would do nothing to help bring down the grocery prices he promised to fix on day one.

Keep up. What CNN bothers to write in their articles isn't there to either confront Trump, or to present his malfeasance as the threat to Americans that it actually represents in promise and practice.

MichMan

(13,919 posts)
6. I like to verify facts and there was no link in the OP
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:09 PM
Tuesday

I went and looked for corroboration on my own and found the CNN link.

Seems that if they are being transported on the Colombian Presidential aircraft, that means Colombia is footing the bill, right?

bigtree

(90,535 posts)
9. you brushed past what I wrote, and produced a CNN article, on your own
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:23 PM
Tuesday

...that didn't show Colombia conceding any of their demands.

...in a statement late on Sunday, the White House said Colombia had agreed to accept the migrants after all and Washington would not impose the penalties. Colombia's Foreign Minister Luis Gilberto Murillo said separately the country's presidential plane was ready to carry deportees.

"There was a win-win here. The United States withdrew the threat of tariffs and Colombia was able to get the United States to accept that the treatment given to our citizens should be dignified," Colombia's ambassador to the U.S., Daniel Garcia-Pena told local television channel Caracol.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/colombia-avoids-trade-war-with-us-business-community-citizens-call-cooler-heads-2025-01-27/


...so Trump did nothing, in the end, but threaten OUR own economy and jobs with his reckless tariff taunts.

Colombia threatened US, in retaliation, with their own tariffs on goods which Americans rely on, threatening to make them more expensive for both consumers and the businesses that bebefit from their sales.

His actions threatened to hurt the American people's livelihoods. A trade war with Colombia would be inflationary and counterproductive to even the aim of returning refugees.

I'm at a loss to see what would be achieved of Trump's OWN deportation agenda for him to 'win' this arrogant performance politics and for those Colombian migrants to still be in U.S. custody, instead of the 'deal' Trump conceded to which gave the Colombian president everything he demanded.

But maybe you can find another article where CNN explains that to us some some other time.

MichMan

(13,919 posts)
10. So, now that Colombia is going to now use their own plane, that means they are paying for the flights, not the US.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:36 PM
Tuesday

Wonder how many people it holds and how often it will be making the round trip?

bigtree

(90,535 posts)
11. we'll see if anyone bothers to report that
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:39 PM
Tuesday

...now that it's not a xenophobic power play show for the news networks to get clicks from anymore.

Columbia is picking them up from Honduras, btw.

Colombian President Gustavo Petro has arranged for the presidential plane to facilitate the “dignified return of Colombian nationals who were to arrive in the country today in the morning hours, coming in from deportation flights,” read a statement released on Sunday.

“This measure is in response to the government’s commitment to guarantee dignified conditions. In no way have Colombians, as patriots and subjects of rights, been or will be banished from Colombian territory,” the statement continued.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/colombia-to-send-presidential-plane-to-honduras-to-pick-up-migrants-from-us-flights/ar-AA1xU410

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