At this point I believe Musk threw the election for TSF

[orangecrush]

His former employees have been put in positions enabling them to wreck the federal government.

I can come to no other conclusion.

I don't know how it was done, but I'd bet my life on it now.

That's why he's being allowed to run rampant over Congress. What he has on Trump ,("our secret", as Trump called it) is the biggest kompromat in all of history.

[unblock]

1. I have no proof, but it would certainly explain a lot. A *lot*.

Like Donnie winning despite tepid crowds, a highly unpopular agenda, and a lame and bizarre schedule in the critical last few weeks before the election. Never mind felony convictions and more. We're to believe that for the first time ever, voters were willing to overlook things that were always considered massive disqualifiers for anyone else.

Sexism and bigotry explains *some* of this, but that alone has never been enough before. I mean, how is this consistent with McCain and Romney both losing to Obama?

[Frank D. Lincoln]

3. And no way Trump won all of the swing states. nt

[Maraya1969]

43. AND the fucking POPULAR VOTE?????

[Dem4life1234]

59. I don't believe that bullshit either

That criminal didn't win them. Michigan? NC? NC went Dem for executive and yet somehow he won presidency? Bullshit

[jmowreader]

70. NC, I can believe

In 2001 and 2004, the voters of North Carolina chose Mike Easley, a Democrat, as governor and George W. Bush, a Republican, as president. North Carolina has a LONG history of breaking for the Democrat in the governor's race and the Republican in the presidential race. North Carolina has had five governors in this century, and only twice has the governor and president races broken for the same party: in 2008 Democrats Bev Perdue and Barack Obama won the state, and in 2012 Republicans Pat McCrory and Mitt Romney won it. (McCrory is the only Republican North Carolina governor of this century.) The rest of the elections were won by the D gubernatorial candidate and the R presidential candidate.

This happens enough that the state Board of Elections sets up ballots so a "straight ticket" vote doesn't include the presidential race.

[ratchiweenie]

58. Remember that the GOP Magas were actually given access to the voting machines. Some even took them out of election

office. I said back then that they were going to examine them and find a way to rig the software that would not be noticeable. I have no doubt that that is what they did and the voting machine manufacturers need to completely revamp their software before the 2006 election.

[Festivito]

68. And they selectively cut specific voters into provisional ballots that are not counted.

And defying signatures in certain locals so those votes did not count.
And social media had stories of violence against voters.
And...

Our counts do not include how many were rejected.

[CrispyQ]

81. This is the type of cheating I think they did, on the ground dirty tricks, not hacking tabulators. -nt

[Irish_Dem]

2. Seems totally obvious.

Trump and Putin were desperate.
And Musk and the billionaires wanted total power and control.
What good is all that money if you cannot buy the judges, congress and the WH?

I think it was done in a number of areas, all subtle and incremental.
No one thing tipped the scales. But all of the cheating added together did the trick.

[travelingthrulife]

60. Yup. Add a little here and there. Probably why the demographics who suddenly started voting

for Dementia Donnie seem so odd to us. Young people, hispanics, black males, women, non-white people in general.
There was simply no sense to these people suddenly voting for this terrible man who has already tried to hurt them badly.

[Meowmee]

4. I'm inclined to agree

But I would not stake my life on it 😹

[dchill]

41. Don't you get the feeling that your life has already been staked?

I know I do.

[Meowmee]

55. That is another matter

But not by me for sure. Lotsa crazy people voted for os which helped whatever else happened.

[malaise]

5. I remain

Doubting malaise

[JHB]

39. The last time the White House passed from a Democratic administration to...

...a Republican one without some sort of skullduggery afoot was: Eisenhower.

[unblock]

6. One thing for sure: if they knew a way to cheat, they would.

The only thing that's hard to explain is if they did cheat, how did they keep is secret?

Because utter incompetence is a key part of their m.o.

[Dave Bowman]

51. If they did then there will be leaks, eventually.

[questionseverything]

62. The evil one has been bragging about it the last few days

[Phoenix61]

7. If you mean massive dollars directed at sowing

discord in general, animosity towards democrats, voter suppression, amplifying Gaza, etc, yeah he threw the election to the Orange POS.

[Condescenturion]

10. Not psyops, actual tampering.

Highly rec Jessica Denson on YouTube. Data-heavy, analyst-backed, clear digital trail.
Completely thrown.

Also, as a market researcher, there is zero possibility that the Dems get wins up and down the ballot but somehow 8-14% of those voters also chose Trump. Zero.

Digitally manipulated months before the elections on acient technology by a dude who can spend us into a Nazi future and not even break the bank.

Until the people involved in this know fear, we are all screwed.

Bring on the Luigis.

[BonnieJW]

23. I have to believe

Harris and Biden were aware of this, but for some reason, they chose not to fight it. Someday, the truth will come out, but I will never believe the felon won.

[rampartd]

67. johnson knew in '68 and carter knew as well

but they kept quiet "for the good of the country." i imagine biden's reasoning is similarly flwed.

[Cha]

8. I Would NOT BE

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Shocked if he did. Fucking Mump can't keep his mouth Shit.. so he Brags about it.

[MaineNative]

9. Greg Palast explains

Trump Lost - https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

Here are key numbers:

4,776,706 voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data.
By August of 2024, for the first time since 1946, self-proclaimed “vigilante” voter-fraud hunters challenged the rights of 317,886 voters. The NAACP of Georgia estimates that by Election Day, the challenges exceeded 200,000 in Georgia alone.
No less than 2,121,000 mail-in ballots were disqualified for minor clerical errors (e.g. postage due).
At least 585,000 ballots cast in-precinct were also disqualified.
1,216,000 “provisional” ballots were rejected, not counted.
3.24 million new registrations were rejected or not entered on the rolls in time to vote.
If the purges, challenges and ballot rejections were random, it wouldn’t matter. It’s anything but random. For example, an audit by the State of Washington found that a Black voter was 400% more likely than a white voter to have their mail-in ballot rejected. Rejection of Black in-person votes, according to a US Civil Rights Commission study in Florida, ran 14.3% or one in seven ballots cast.

There are also the uncountable effects of the explosive growth of voter intimidation tactics including the bomb threats that closed 31 polling stations in Atlanta on Election Day.

AMERICA’S NASTY LITTLE SECRET

The nasty little secret of American democracy is that we don’t count all the votes. Nor let every citizen vote.

[yellow dahlia]

29. Also aided by dirty trickster tactics, such as bomb scares.

But I think the cincher was in the tabulations that Musk had access to.

Never forget: the grifter said, "I don't need any more votes". And there was another cryptic confession about the stuff Musk did in PA.

The voter suppression alone wasn't enough to get them there. They needed to do even more to get the numbers they wanted. And I believe they made sure they got the House and Senate as well. And I believe the grifter made sure he got the popular vote, to prop up his fragile ego.

I expect some will come after me, and try to put a tin hat on my head. Oh well.

I think nothing else makes sense.

[orangecrush]

37. Good post

Thanks

[not fooled]

54. Yep. Trillions were at stake

Who would be naive enough to think that the republican party wouldn't do everything to ensure that red don got re-installed so that the sociopathic billionaires could loot the country and sell it off? Trillions to be had. Of course they made sure he "won."

I think Palast has identified the means.

[SnoopDog]

11. Musk? Maybe... More like

Secretaries of States in the swing states purging voters - millions of Dem voters...

[erronis]

12. Wouldn't surprise me to see some cash payments from Musk/others directly to officials in the states.

Nothing would surprise me anymore.

[SnoopDog]

16. That makes a lot of sense..!

[Wiz Imp]

13. The only swing states with Republican secretaries of state were Georgia and Pennsylvania.

The other 5 swing states had a Democratic Secretary of State.

And only Georgia had a Republican governor.

[SnoopDog]

15. Voters were purged - it doesn't have to be Sec of State...

If republicans are in control - they purge voters.

[Wiz Imp]

27. Here's the post I responded directly to.

Musk? Maybe... More like
Reply to orangecrush (Original post)
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:16 PM
Secretaries of States in the swing states purging voters - millions of Dem voters...

So you said it was secretaries of state in the swing states purging millions of voters. Now you move the goal posts and say it's just Republicans in charge.

Democrats completely control (Governor & Sec. of State) 5 of the swing states and the Governorship in PA. Only Georgia is controlled by Republicans. Who are these Republicans that are purging millions of voters in states where they are not in charge?

[MichMan]

31. This

Why would Democratic Governors and Secretary of State elected officeholders in 5 swing states illegally purge millions of voters ?

Makes zero sense unless one believes they somehow wanted Harris to lose.

[questionseverything]

63. Wisconsin is controlled by repubs

[Wiz Imp]

64. Wrong. Democratic Governor. Democratic Secretary of state. Democratic majority on state Supreme Court.

The legislature has no power to order anyone removed from the voter roles.

[Diamond_Dog]

14. Yes, this.

[speak easy]

17. Let.It.Go.

Trump's criminal administration is out of control. This is our focus now.

[OMGWTF]

21. I. Will.Not.

Yes, it's out of control and may the Force be with us during this shit storm. Other countries know that Eloon and ilk f'd with their elections. Canada released a report today. It's going to come out. Drip. Drip.

[speak easy]

52. Well,

be sure to post when there is evidence fit to present to a court. After 2020, it will take a shitload of concrete evidence to gain any traction.

Meanwhile, there are attorneys today in the courts trying to the put a brake on Trump Administration crime. Fascism is coming down the tracks at a terrifying speed. When we have to get out on the streets to take on the stormtroopers, we will not be talking about election fraud.

[Dem4life1234]

61. I don't think election meddling should be so dismissed like that

That is a valid concern.

[speak easy]

72. "I don't think election meddling should be so dismissed"

I agree. And it should be investigated where there is evidence.

But that is not the same thing as we won the election.

[Highway61]

75. Investigated by whom?

By someone who gives orders daily to sidestep? I horse has gotten out of the barn...the door was left open

[speak easy]

76. State AGs where there is evidence of misconduct in their state.

[Highway61]

80. Sorry...

Don't believe any of that anymore. Investigate misconduct? Did you read project 2025? Too much going down and it's only been a week.

[speak easy]

82. I think you have misunderstood me.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19958751

[gopiscrap]

18. I have been saying this

since the day after the election

[phylny]

19. I have believed this since November.

[karin_sj]

20. I've felt this way from day 1

And continue this day to believe the election was stolen through vote suppression, vote challenges, voter intimidation, and election tampering. No way did this orange moron win every single swing state.

[OMGWTF]

22. And Agolf Shitler said he should have won California. LOL!

[yellow dahlia]

32. Right. It's simple logic.

[rubbersole]

24. "I don't need your votes. I have plenty of votes."

This is a form of treason that the participants don't seem to think there will be any penalties to suffer. I don't see anyone able to hold them to account. Pretty fucked up.

[Hugin]

25. From what I recall, there was some sort of back channel in Twitter...

There was buzz in the media about data requests from the feds and courts were involved during Trump’s first Imposition. It was just before Musk bought Twitter and it allegedly involved many and lots of money.

I haven’t seen anything about it, recently.

If there’s kompromat, that’s where it came from.

[orangecrush]

35. I remember that

[applegrove]

26. I'm sure Musk taking over Twitter netted Trump 1 or 2%

of the vote.

[GoldenMezzoDiva]

28. D'ac! Leon is just too smug by half...

and 'member this summer when the monstre l'orange bragged to his maggot marks: "We don't don't need your votes. In fact, you'll never have to vote again, we're gonna fix that." Also, he pretty much confessed right after the (s)election that it was rigged. Just as any criminal, he just had to blab. What we could use right now is that little red-headed boy from The Twilight Zone, to turn 'em into jack-in-boxes.

[yellow dahlia]

33. The grifter IS that boy in The Twilight Zone.

[thinkingagain]

30. I have no proof

But I believe it with my heart

I’ve always believed we have fair elections, but they have destroyed that belief.

Just too many quirky, coincident things that make no sense
I also have come to believe he truly maybe had the same thing happened in 2016 and some form 2020 was an abnormal thing so it’s even possible they were suppose to win
But because of they way the election went he didn’t that’s why he claimed we cheats in just certain places etc

[yellow dahlia]

34. With you on questioning 2016 also.

[birdographer]

36. NO doubt (nt)

[sciencescience]

38. I see no good evidence to believe it was stolen. The polls were close. The final results were not far from the polls.

[BannonsLiver]

66. It's embarrassing to watch on our side.

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I just think back to all the nuttery after 2020 (which they apparently forgot to steal) from Trump’s attorneys, Rudy etc.

[NJCher]

83. I think you need another word

"Embarrassing" is not the word that fits your situation.

First, embarrassment means deep discomfort. Why would you be embarrassed or in discomfort?

You seem to be comparing DU-ers to MAGAts, and there is no comparison. DU posters don't "follow the leader" and wear red hats. I can't think of anyone here who takes direction from a "leader" and spouts propaganda. The topic of voting machine manipulation has barely been mentioned at DU.

Cupach and Metts are psychologists who have defined types of embarrassment. One cause is the failure to perform a duty or obligation. In this case, as citizens of a democracy, we have a duty and an obligation to speak up if we find credible evidence. There's enough evidence that NY Congressman Daniel Goldman has called for an investigation. You may recall Mr. Goldman: he prosecuted trump's two impeachment cases. He was the lead counsel. The office from which he worked is the Southern District of New York. Are you unfamiliar with the reputation of this office?

That's not good enough for you? If not, what would be?

Based on what you wrote, I think you are failing to distinguish between the posters here and MAGATs. Now that is embarrassing. It is also embarrassing that you don't seem to think enough of this governmental structure into which many of us were lucky enough to be born to defend it.

[BannonsLiver]

86. Nah. But thanks for the tip.

[NJCher]

87. And thank you, too

For your erudite response, complete with scintillating reflection and insight.

[relayerbob]

40. Hacked the software that counts the vote

There were a lot of clues, but no one even challenged the count to check. Personally, I’m reasonably convinced that happened. As Stalin is quoted (paraphrased a bit) , the person who votes is nothing, the person that counts the votes is everything.

[Joinfortmill]

42. Someone knows.

[orangecrush]

50. Yup.

[reACTIONary]

44. Jeeze, not this shit again..

... Most relevant comment so far: "l have no proof."

[orangecrush]

49. Later

Greater and straighter.

[BannonsLiver]

65. It's 4 Seasons Total Landscaping all over again.

Deeply embarrassing to watch.

[ReRe]

45. But if the cranial-deficient

in the electorate knew the kompromat, would it matter?
Musk might as well let it out. He is in like flint, after all.
Of course he put Trump in office.!!! Duh a bit?

[hadEnuf]

46. The 2016 election was wrought with fraud and interference from Russia.

But 8 years later Trump has suddenly turned into honest John and won 2024 fair and square with no hint of corruption, even after his first disastrous administration?

That doesn't even make sense. We'd have to be stupid to believe that.

[Meowmee]

56. Lots of stupid people though eh 😀

[progressoid]

47. That sentiment was popular when Bush was elected...twice.

And if you perused right wing web sites you'll see they believe Obama and Biden stole their elections too.

[BobTheSubgenius]

48. I, too, have no idea how it was done, but I certainly believe it.

There is very little that can't be done with three hundred billion dollars at your disposal. Think of that.

$300,000,000,000 dollars. A 3 followed by 11 zeroes. If you wanted to put a pile of plain pieces of paper beside that stack, you'd need three hundred billion of them.

[kyburbonkid]

53. Really shady

I don't post much, Just my theory, but I think it was stolen by a death from a 1000 cuts. A massive push by the R's state by state, county by county to lie, steal and cheat at every chance to work the vote. It's been on-going for years. The .$$$ and outside $$$ made it effective, crooked and undercover. Hard to show or prove.

KY Used to be BLUE. Now all it does is follow ALEC legislation like most red states. For the people, that needs to change.

[Emile]

57. What would give anyone the idea Trump would cheat to win

an election? Come on, everyone knows he's an honest man.

[elliesmandt]

69. never underestimate

As George Carlin said, "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."

[Karasu]

71. Never stopped thinking this since Election Day. I don't know he did it, but he did. The comments he and

Trump were making right before Election Day were bad enough, and even more incriminating statements have come out from Trump since then.

Never forget, Elon isn't just a POS, he's the richest man in the world. He has access to means and methods most of us can't even conceive of.

You don't get the richest man in the world--who also happens to be a tech billionaire--involved in your campaign only to have him sit on the sidelines, when there's literally nothing he can't afford to do in order to make it absolutely certain that you win. Especially not when you're Trump.

[Nigrum Cattus]

73. Here is how it was done -

https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

[elocs]

74. Democrats being complacent and over confident to vote didn't help either.

Where did the 6 million votes that Biden got in 2020 that Harris didn't get go?

[usonian]

77. Worst government money could buy. That's why he did it.

THREE REASONS

Trmp Lost. Vote Suppression Won. By Greg Palast for the Hartmann Report
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219947040

Anil Dash on what DOGE really means. Procurement Capture extreme grifting.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219876755

The shadow of apartheid South Africa in America.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219696928

[suegeo]

78. There were bomb threats at polling places.

Crazed wingnuts burning up drop off ballot boxes.

Psychological warfare from inside of the USA (Musk, Twitter, republicans). The anonymous Twitter whistle blower who said Twitter knew exactly how to target people/American citizens in 2024 or earlier. Facebook probably had fuckery just like before 2016

Psychological warfare from Russia (bots amplifying fascist messages).

Why isn't there counter warfare from the 3 letter agencies inside the USA?

[CousinIT]

79. I agree. Muskrat or those who work for him hacked the machines and diddled the votes.

Do I have proof? No. Other than the otherwise illogical and unfathomable result considering the massive enthusiasm for Harris/Walz. Then, as you mention, those little criminals are now working in OUR government hacking and robbing everything else.

[Deep State Witch]

84. Agreed

I think he was able to rig the vote tally enough in certain states in a way that is difficult to prove.

[Cirsium]

85. Voter suppression

Republicans have been hard at work for years to eliminate voters. But for some reason a lot of Democrats just don't want us to talk about that. While the party leadership chases white suburban voters, and big money donors, millions of African Americans - the most loyal rock solid Democratic voting bloc - are subjected to a variety of voter suppression tactics.