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MineralMan

(150,692 posts)
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 12:33 PM Mar 2025

"Enola Gay" - If you did a poll a week ago, I'm betting that

most people under the age of 50 would not even recognize those two words. People over 50 probably would in higher numbers. People over 70 would remember it for sure.

So, it's not surprising to me that a search for stuff containing the word "Gay" probably flushed that out and it was banished by people who have no idea that the "Enola Gay" was the name of the bomber that dropped the A-bomb on Hiroshima. Not a freaking clue, because we don't teach WWII any longer to our youngsters. Not in that detail, anyhow.

So, that's going to get corrected now and those photos will return to displays. But , that the "Enola Gay" only means something about WWII is no longer universally known or even recognized these days.

More's the pity.

Who is Enola and is she really gay?

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"Enola Gay" - If you did a poll a week ago, I'm betting that (Original Post) MineralMan Mar 2025 OP
The pilot of that plane named it after his mother, Enola Gay. Ninga Mar 2025 #1
Yup. Painting a name on WWII bombers was a normal thing. MineralMan Mar 2025 #3
The plane my dad was on (he was not the pilot) dflprincess Mar 2025 #13
Nose Art. Lots of creativity in it. MineralMan Mar 2025 #15
And that information has been open-and-obviously available, for generations. Paladin Mar 2025 #28
And in the context of the time, mwmisses4289 Mar 2025 #2
Gay was also a common name for girls and women. MineralMan Mar 2025 #4
Yes, the idea being that mwmisses4289 Mar 2025 #7
I was born in '59, and I knew a giirl named Gay. Harker Mar 2025 #24
I like the name Glee, too. MineralMan Mar 2025 #32
I've known a couple of joyless Joys, but Glee was truly gleeful. n/t Harker Mar 2025 #35
and the Gay Nineties. Norrrm Mar 2025 #8
here's my lte this week WhiteTara Mar 2025 #5
What about..."Don we now our gay apparel" that line gotta go! MiHale Mar 2025 #6
LOL! MineralMan Mar 2025 #9
Another battle in the War on Christmas. Norrrm Mar 2025 #10
The Last WWII Veterans Are Dying As We Speak. MineralMan Mar 2025 #11
Almost, but quite. My DH, a WWII sailor, would be 98 if marybourg Mar 2025 #12
That act of lunacy by the Administration was not on my bingo card surfered Mar 2025 #14
Gay, possibly a diminutive of Gaylene, is a legit girls' name. Aussie105 Mar 2025 #16
I'm in my 40s... BrianTheEVGuy Mar 2025 #25
The sole survivor of Navy Torpedo Squadron 8 was Ensign George Gay, Jr. rsdsharp Mar 2025 #17
They did the same to information about Ensign George Gay. cab67 Mar 2025 #18
Yes. Codifer Mar 2025 #31
He was portrayed in both the 1976 and 2019 movies about the battle. cab67 Mar 2025 #38
Rachel had a segment about Tyson Homosexual leftieNanner Mar 2025 #19
Such a revealing story that she's done it twice! Ilsa Mar 2025 #20
I guess no one taught AI how to do a proper search & replace, which begs the question, is it really AI? CrispyQ Mar 2025 #30
A very good question! leftieNanner Mar 2025 #34
I'm not a WWII vet, but my Dad was FakeNoose Mar 2025 #21
No more gay airplanes in the military. Executive Order. twodogsbarking Mar 2025 #22
Just wait until they ban the Flintstones House of Roberts Mar 2025 #23
The mind is a terrible thing to waste. William769 Mar 2025 #26
From research years ago Codifer Mar 2025 #27
Just for fun...The second plane to drop a nuclear bomb was named "BocksCar". chouchou Mar 2025 #29
I always thought it was "boxcar." Yes, I knew the true stories about the dropping of those bombs. I was little and I was CTyankee Mar 2025 #33
Ahh..Mom knows best! chouchou Mar 2025 #37
I suppose they'll ban the movie "Space Cowboys" dflprincess Mar 2025 #36
With some trepidation, I quizzed my 23 yo on this A_Woman_from_MI Mar 2025 #39
Ok, I am the DU freelance comedy writer, so I'll pick this low hanging fruit. " Hey Beavis!". " uh,.... Yeah, yeah.? Noodleboy13 Mar 2025 #40

MineralMan

(150,692 posts)
3. Yup. Painting a name on WWII bombers was a normal thing.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 12:38 PM
Mar 2025

Not really authorized, but tolerated.

dflprincess

(29,187 posts)
13. The plane my dad was on (he was not the pilot)
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 01:44 PM
Mar 2025

Was named the Shiftless Skunk. Great painting of a cartoon skunk on it.

MineralMan

(150,692 posts)
15. Nose Art. Lots of creativity in it.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 01:49 PM
Mar 2025

A Google image search brings up lots and lots of it. There are many books full of nose art from WWI and WWII, as well.

Paladin

(32,327 posts)
28. And that information has been open-and-obviously available, for generations.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 03:06 PM
Mar 2025

The present-day level of historical ignorance is just stomach-turning.

mwmisses4289

(3,329 posts)
2. And in the context of the time,
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 12:37 PM
Mar 2025

gay meant happy, cheerful and light hearted. Too bad too many people forget that many of the words we use have more than one meaning.

Harker

(17,460 posts)
24. I was born in '59, and I knew a giirl named Gay.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 02:45 PM
Mar 2025

I also knew a Glee, which I've never heard since.

WhiteTara

(31,197 posts)
5. here's my lte this week
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 12:41 PM
Mar 2025

I have often wondered how ignorant you have to be to work in the Trump administration and today, I got a jaw dropping answer. You have to be ignorant of WWII history and the participation of the U.S..

In an effort to permanently erase LGBTQ people, the Department of Defense is removing any mention of gays, women and POC. One such removal was a picture of the Enola Gay; an airplane that dropped atom bombs on Japan. The plane was named after the pilot’s mother, Enola Gay Tibbets.

The DOD has removed 26,000 images and mentions that are not of straight white men, even an airplane. I’m sickened by the lack of humanity and intelligence that runs rampant throughout Trump’s people.

MiHale

(12,651 posts)
6. What about..."Don we now our gay apparel" that line gotta go!
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 12:41 PM
Mar 2025

He’s going to be attacking Christmas songs.

MineralMan

(150,692 posts)
9. LOL!
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 12:44 PM
Mar 2025

I used to volunteer at a public library four hours a week. I remember often hearing giggling in one area of the library's stacks. I checked it out one day. Where the giggling came from was a book from the 1940s with the title, "Gay Parties for All Occasions." Again, a different meaning for the word when it was published. The middle school kids who were giggling didn't know that, though.

MineralMan

(150,692 posts)
11. The Last WWII Veterans Are Dying As We Speak.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 12:48 PM
Mar 2025

They're all over 100 years old now. My father, who was a WWII B-17 pilot near the end of the war, died at age 96 in 2021.

Before long, there will be no WWII vets left. Very soon.

marybourg

(13,591 posts)
12. Almost, but quite. My DH, a WWII sailor, would be 98 if
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 01:10 PM
Mar 2025

still alive. He was drafted upon high school graduation later into the war.

Aussie105

(7,663 posts)
16. Gay, possibly a diminutive of Gaylene, is a legit girls' name.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 01:53 PM
Mar 2025

Gaylene, Enola - two names not too popular these days.

But yeah, stupid people will do stupid things.
It's the consequence of applying a filter without checking what it catches, and making exceptions for unintended catches - a rookie mistake.

BrianTheEVGuy

(697 posts)
25. I'm in my 40s...
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 02:53 PM
Mar 2025

And as a child, our family had a neighbor named… no joke… Gay Balls.

As an adult gay male I grew far more appreciative of Gay Balls than I was as an immature eight year old

rsdsharp

(11,807 posts)
17. The sole survivor of Navy Torpedo Squadron 8 was Ensign George Gay, Jr.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 01:54 PM
Mar 2025

His TBD Devastator was shot down, and he watched the Battle of Midway while floating in the Pacific. He was awarded the Navy Cross. Clearly a DEI hire, whose memory must be erased.

cab67

(3,650 posts)
18. They did the same to information about Ensign George Gay.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 02:02 PM
Mar 2025

Ensign Gay's entire TBD Devastator torpedo bomber was shot down during the Battle of Midway. He was the only survivor, and he spent many hours treading water near the Japanese fleet, watching the action unfold. He was later rescued.

Codifer

(1,172 posts)
31. Yes.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 03:08 PM
Mar 2025

I did not see your post and I did post the same information about Ensign Gay. For a bit, and sadly, he had the best seat in the house. I guess my memory (or bits of it) is OK.

cab67

(3,650 posts)
38. He was portrayed in both the 1976 and 2019 movies about the battle.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 04:31 PM
Mar 2025

I'm currently making a 1/48 SBD Dauntless with Dick Best's markings. There are some good Devastator kits out there, but I don't know if they include Gay's ride.

leftieNanner

(16,120 posts)
19. Rachel had a segment about Tyson Homosexual
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 02:07 PM
Mar 2025

A right wing organization used AI to change the word GAY to HOMOSEXUAL.

Thus, track star Tyson Homosexual.

SMDH

Ilsa

(63,886 posts)
20. Such a revealing story that she's done it twice!
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 02:25 PM
Mar 2025

The first time was more elaborately told, but it was worth a brief repeat this week.

CrispyQ

(40,706 posts)
30. I guess no one taught AI how to do a proper search & replace, which begs the question, is it really AI?
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 03:07 PM
Mar 2025

But even if it was, why does one need AI to do a search & replace?

leftieNanner

(16,120 posts)
34. A very good question!
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 03:17 PM
Mar 2025

I think the new Google AI search is awful. I prefer the Firefox one. Old school.

FakeNoose

(40,328 posts)
21. I'm not a WWII vet, but my Dad was
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 02:28 PM
Mar 2025

My Dad was a young Navy pilot, training for duty in the Pacific. If the Japanese hadn't surrendered when they did after Nagasaki, I think my Dad would have been deployed into flying over Tokyo soon after that. It would have been very ugly and dangerous, because the Japanese would have fought down to the last man alive.

I've known the name "Enola Gay" for most of my life, I guess.

House of Roberts

(6,414 posts)
23. Just wait until they ban the Flintstones
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 02:44 PM
Mar 2025

because the ending theme ends with ‘we’ll have a gay old time’.

Codifer

(1,172 posts)
27. From research years ago
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 03:03 PM
Mar 2025

I seem to recall an Ensign Gay, a Navy pilot from the USS Hornet squadron "Torpedo 8" who was (if I recall correctly) the sole survivor of his squadrons attack on the Japanese carriers during the Battle of Midway.

I do not suppose that he fared much better than the Enola Gay did.

chouchou

(2,839 posts)
29. Just for fun...The second plane to drop a nuclear bomb was named "BocksCar".
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 03:07 PM
Mar 2025

....on the Japanese city of Nagasaki.

CTyankee

(67,818 posts)
33. I always thought it was "boxcar." Yes, I knew the true stories about the dropping of those bombs. I was little and I was
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 03:10 PM
Mar 2025

scared to death that one of those bombs would be dropped on me. My mother wisely acknowledged my fear and tried to allay it and actually did. I feared bombs no more after that.

A_Woman_from_MI

(183 posts)
39. With some trepidation, I quizzed my 23 yo on this
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 05:39 PM
Mar 2025

He's brighter than most of his friends, or at least more curious. Still, I wasn't sure. He was immediately familiar with the name, and after searching his mind for a minute, knew it was somehow related to WWII. It took only a small hint for him to recall it was the bomber that dropped the bomb.

So, not an A+, but he would have have got it right on a multiple choice question, and it never crossed his mind it was a reference to anything DEI.

And of course, he was disgusted when I told him why I was asking.

 

Noodleboy13

(465 posts)
40. Ok, I am the DU freelance comedy writer, so I'll pick this low hanging fruit. " Hey Beavis!". " uh,.... Yeah, yeah.?
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 06:15 PM
Mar 2025

"Your Grandpa volunteered to crew on the Enola Gay"
"Shut up Butt-head!"

Peace,
Noodleboy

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