Why are the White SAfricans coming here as refugees. Explain it like I was 5

[irisblue]

I do not understand this.

[JustAnotherGen]

1. They are white supremacists

That's all I've got. Made in the Image of Musk and Thiel.

[BoRaGard]

21. Exactly

[underpants]

2. It's a racist stunt. Non-whites not welcome, whites welcomed with open arms.

In fact non-whites are snatched off the street and sent to their almost certain death. Got the message non-whites?

[unblock]

3. I don't know the particulars, but keep in mind

that the persecution required to qualify for refugee status doesn't need to be governmental or even widespread. There are many refugees globally who were victims of local gang or isolated hate crimes.

Having said that, it's ridiculous that Donnie's rolling out the red carpet for white refugees while exiling minorities even with legitimate documentation.

It's also possible that these "refugees" were simply denied a "right" to practice bigotry; as noted. I don't know the derails but don't trust Donnie and his gang of crooks.

[DFW]

4. I suspect that these S. A. "refugees" are thoroughly vetted and selected before coming.

We are not talking about a few tens of thousands, or even thousands, or even hundreds. Sixty people. That's not a wave of persecuted masses. Sixty people is a theater production, and indeed, that's just about the status I give this stunt.

[Nigrum Cattus]

30. It's not the quanity !

These are not REFUGEES by any "real" normal standard.
I hope they are told every day that they don't belong here,
just like the RWRE tell everyone else. RWRE = right wing religious extremists.
100% of P2025 is RWRE

[peggysue2]

5. Why?

They're white, they're racial extremists bemoaning the loss of their Apartheid status, they're filled with anger and grievance.

They're MAGA perfect.

[brush]

6. Nazi Musk. It's no secret.

[Littlered]

7. From what I've read

I haven’t verified it beyond casual reading. They are being murdered. A quick google article said they average around 63 farmers murdered per year over the last decade.

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36ZD7HY

[AloeVera]

9. Compare that to 20,000 murders in SA a year.

They are being murdered along with their black farmer counterparts. Robbery being the motive, not racial or political. It just so happens that white farmers are wealthier than black farmers, so get hit perhaps proportionately more. But black farmers are murdered too. Will Trump roll out the red carpet for them too? Doubtful. Because this is about politicizing a South-Africa wide problem of crime to paint a false picture of white persecution. Feeds into the far-right Nazi conspiracy theory of white genocide and replacement. Tailor-made for Trump and his clowns.

Throw in the demonization of South Africa for its stand against apartheid and genocide - and its a total win for Trump and his pal Netanyahu.

[Littlered]

15. If you say so.

All I did was answer the question. I don’t have an opinion.

[Torchlight]

13. 63 murders per year out of how many total?

[AloeVera]

14. About 20,000. Nt

[Littlered]

16. No clue

Don’t care. All I did was google it.

[Torchlight]

19. 0.315%

Good luck.

[Littlered]

23. Thanks,

I’m not sure why you are wishing me good luck, but thanks.

[Torchlight]

24. Sounds serious

[muriel_volestrangler]

34. Out of 6,953 murders in South Africa Oct-Dec 2024, one was a "farmer", five "farm dwellers"

Claims of white genocide 'not real', South African court rules
...
But despite numerous claims in the past of the systematic targeting of the country's white Afrikaner minority group, local crime statistics figures paint a different picture.

South Africa does not release crime figures based on race but the latest figures revealed that 6,953 people were murdered in the country between October and December 2024.

Of these, 12 were killed in farm attacks. Of the 12, one was a farmer, while five were farm dwellers and four were employees, who are likely to have been black.

In contrast, 961 women were murdered alongside 273 children.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyj1198wy3o

[jmbar2]

8. The South African government has been redistributing land away from minority whites to blacks

On February 7, President Donald Trump signed an executive order halting US aid to South Africa and offering refugee status to white South African farmers, claiming the country’s new Expropriation Act has enabled racial discrimination.

Implemented in 1948, Apartheid built on many policies established by earlier colonial regimes. A core element of the national segregationist agenda was the Natives Land Act of 1913, which restricted Black South African land ownership to just 7% of the country’s territory (expanded to 13% in 1936). The law established “reserves” for Black South Africans, beyond which they were forbidden to rent or buy land. This resulted in mass forced evictions and removals of Black land owners. The Act created the foundation for territorial segregation and economic discrimination that would shape South Africa throughout the 20th century.

After decades of resistance led by figures like Nelson Mandela and the African National Congress, combined with international pressure and sanctions, apartheid ended in the early 1990s, culminating in South Africa’s first democratic elections in 1994. But while policies can be subject to swift changes, their historical impacts are another story.

A 2017 land ownership audit found that white South Africans possessed some 72% of the country’s farming and agricultural land, while Black South Africans possessed a total of 4%. For context, a 2022 census revealed that white South Africans accounted for 7.3% of the country’s population, while Black South Africans accounted for 81.4%.

https://www.jurist.org/features/2025/02/11/explainer-understanding-the-south-africa-land-reform-law-that-provoked-trumps-ire/

Similar thinking could be applied to the massive concentration of wealth in the US in the hands of the top 1%.

[marybourg]

17. Yes, now we're getting to the crux of the matter. Some of them are

being forced to give back the land that their ancestors stole from the rightful (Black) owners a century or more ago.

[AloeVera]

20. The irony is lost on Trumpers of course.

As is the concept of the long arc of justice.

However, just a caution about the "confiscations". Apparently, at least according to the SA government, there have been no confiscations under the new law. It's a false claim being used as a rationale by Trump.

[meadowlander]

10. Once upon a time a lot of white people moved to South Africa so that they could control the gold and diamond industries

and take all the mineral wealth for themselves. They liked that wealth and power so much they fought a few wars so they could take over the whole country and run everything. There was so much wealth, they even fought with other white people over who got to control it. They set up a system where not only did they get all the wealth and power, they lived separately from the people they were oppressing and impoverishing and barely even needed to see them on a day to day basis unless they had hired them to work in their mansion or on their farms or in their mines.

But one day all the black people rose up and said this is our country and our wealth and there are a lot more of us than there are of you so we should get to control political power too. And while they were pretty angry at the white people, they didn't kill them all off so that left the problem of what to do about them. They decided to let them leave if they wanted to. They planned over 40 years to buy back land stolen by white families and give it to black families.

The white people didn't like this because they felt like they weren't getting enough money for the land they stole and they didn't like having to share power and that the majority of the people in the country got to decide about things like redistribution of wealth and affirmative action. To top it all off, a lot of the mines that they had move there to exploit were tapped out and not making so much money anymore.

As the 2030 deadline loomed, 40 years after the end of apartheid, they said "who will deliver us to a country where we don't have to be governed by people with a different skin colour to ours". And lo and behold, a billionaire appeared on a white Cybertruck to say "come live in America, where you may not be as rich but at least you can still be openly racist".

And all the white people jumped at the opportunity to continue pretending that they were the victims in a world devoid of historical context. And when they moved to America they found hundreds of thousands of new friends who all believed the same thing.

The End.

[AloeVera]

11. Perfect.

[questionseverything]

31. So assuming you are an American and not a Native American

Have you given your land back?

[meadowlander]

38. I've moved to New Zealand and support Treaty of Waitangi settlement redress for Maori

including working with post-Settlement Governance Entities on investment and development of land and funds they were given as essentially reparations. So in a way, yes.

Does that pass your test for who is allowed to have an opinion about apartheid and redistribution of wealth gained through colonialism?

[questionseverything]

39. Depends where you moved from and what you returned

Anyone can have an opinion, but that opinion might be hypocritical is what I’m saying

[meadowlander]

40. Does it? Or are we all just allowed to agree that apartheid is bad

and that we should be doing what we can to address historical injustices.

After all, wasting everyone's time and energy smugly insisting on that hypocrisy isn't doing jack shit for people who have been wronged either.

[questionseverything]

42. It's easier to address historical injustices when it's someone else's stuff you're demanding be given back

[ananda]

12. I think they plan to get jobs as Trump/Musk/Miller enforcers.

IMO

[LAS14]

18. I assume you were asking for information in good faith about what...

...rationale is being presented by the Trump people. It looks like maybe two or three actually addressed your question. You weren't asking if it was justified. Right?

[irisblue]

22. I came into this idea of SArefugees late & I do not get it

Googling the issue has not helped me much

[Ping Tung]

25. One thing is certain. It is not an act of humanitarianism.

Don is playing to his racist chumps.

[doc03]

26. They are white and most likely will vote Republican.

[marble falls]

28. Cause white people don't vote Democratic?

[doc03]

29. I do but as rule more vote Republican today and South Africacans probably a greater percentage will. nt

[marble falls]

33. The Mathematics don't work.

The Republican Party now holds a 15 percentage point advantage among White voters: 56% of non-Hispanic White voters identify with or lean toward the Republican Party, while 41% align with the Democratic Party.

That 15% difference is just about the total of all minority voters, R or D., of whom certain minorities, Hispanic and Indian vote heavily Republican. About 40% of the Hispanic vote went to Trump.

I don't think playing a racial strategy is a good plan for us. Otherwise why vote? Just give a candidate votes based on the political/racial make up of a district.

[marble falls]

27. Your asshole big brother wants those disappointed white supremist to know they have a place ...

... to practice white supremacy and antisemitism.

[nycbos]

32. You just said it yourself

They’re white. It’s not that complicated

[WarGamer]

35. I think they're ALL going to Idaho...

Prove me wrong lol...

[Torchlight]

36. I think Shakespeare's Henry V had a good grasp of it.

'That, though the truth of it stands off as gross as black and white, my eye will scarcely see it.'

[Iggo]

37. They're white people who hate black people, so they want to come to a place where that's okay.

[Norrrm]

41. Because, little Johnny, Musk/Trump want it that way.

Luckily, for them, the taxpayers will pay for it.