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justaprogressive

(6,262 posts)
Wed May 14, 2025, 05:08 AM May 2025

Kamala Could Have Won - The American Prospect



Kamala Harris was poised to win the 2024 presidential election when her message included America getting control of its border and her championing economic and political change.

In her campaign launch speech addressing the economy and in her DNC acceptance speech, she addressed the cost of living as singularly important, showed empathy, and offered concrete policy solutions. She promised that Congress would enact the bipartisan border control bill. She embraced President Biden’s expanded Child Tax Credit and attacked Donald Trump’s tax cuts for billionaires. Her speeches made the election a battle for the middle class. She was laser-focused on the cost of living, while portraying—correctly, as we are seeing today—Trump tariffs as an inflationary tax on imports. She made that the principal fight of the campaign.

Two books, one by Chris Whipple, Uncharted: How Trump Beat Biden, Harris, and the Odds in the Wildest Campaign in History, and the other by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes, Fight: Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House, show the disastrous decisions that put Donald Trump in the White House. I will also describe my efforts with various participants to impact those decisions.

You need to read both these important books to understand the 2024 election. Harris could have won, but her campaign had so many 180-degree turns and was so burdened by Joe Biden’s continued presence in the campaign that she lost. The lessons for Democrats are painful.


https://prospect.org/culture/books/2025-05-14-kamala-could-have-won-whipple-allen-parnes-review/

Recommended if painful.


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Kamala Could Have Won - The American Prospect (Original Post) justaprogressive May 2025 OP
Could have, should have, would have..... BlueTsunami2018 May 2025 #1
"Does it even matter at this point"? justaprogressive May 2025 #3
I am definitely anticipating unhappier things. BlueTsunami2018 May 2025 #17
never bdamomma May 2025 #33
I would like to hear more about these mistakes Shrek May 2025 #8
I think they've been pretty well documented. BlueTsunami2018 May 2025 #19
It matters that we learn from the loss. If we don't, it was all a waste & will happen again. n/t elocs May 2025 #24
So many mistakes made? No. She ran a near flawless campaign in the short time she had. brush May 2025 #27
Reporters love their gossip books huh. DemocracyWorks May 2025 #2
Anybody could've beat Trump Fiendish Thingy May 2025 #4
Not true DemocracyWorks May 2025 #5
What if Hitler was a good painter? Johonny May 2025 #6
I still think she probably did win. tinrobot May 2025 #7
She lost because the campaign cared more about getting the Liz Cheney voters than progressive voters krawhitham May 2025 #9
lol, anyone that didn't vote Harris is not a progressive JI7 May 2025 #16
Absolutely! betsuni May 2025 #35
These so-called progressive voters should have been baked in. BlueTsunami2018 May 2025 #20
And many thought they were punishing her for what was going on in Gaza Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2025 #42
The current Democratic consulting class has to go. All of them. Sympthsical May 2025 #10
According to Trump Elon rigged the election. If he hadn't Trump wouldn't be here. Autumn May 2025 #11
Exactly Andy823 May 2025 #28
There are two videos where he said Elon rigged the election. I think he did too. Autumn May 2025 #30
With the crap that comes out of his mouth Lemon Lyman May 2025 #41
In one interview before his inaguration he said Musk knows vote-counting computers Autumn May 2025 #43
Comment 29 has the videos TommyT139 May 2025 #54
An outsider might have beaten Trump videohead5 May 2025 #12
Demonstrably false Shrek May 2025 #14
But she lost a majority videohead5 May 2025 #21
Still in think might have won camp here. Brainfodder May 2025 #13
Strategy? How about voter suppression? It was YUUUUUUGE. (but not clickbait enough) usonian May 2025 #15
No, there is too much misogyny. A woman can probably win JI7 May 2025 #18
So we're blaming Democrats again instead of... ananda May 2025 #22
I expect more from Democrats, I expect Republicans & Magas to be what they are. n/t elocs May 2025 #25
So in other words, a double standard SocialDemocrat61 May 2025 #34
Looking outside of the organization for scapegoats while Melon May 2025 #50
Not looking for scapegoats SocialDemocrat61 May 2025 #56
Harris needed all Democrats & independents who usually vote Democratic to get out & vote. elocs May 2025 #23
Yes! 90 million non voters Ponietz May 2025 #57
Opinions, not facts. Time to move on. NoMoreRepugs May 2025 #26
Kamala did win. Cheato admitted three times to cheating to "win" the election. Clouds Passing May 2025 #29
Do you think Josh Shapiro was in on it? Self Esteem May 2025 #32
Dump said it 3 times publicly. I'm just reposting what he said. Clouds Passing May 2025 #37
And I'm asking if you think Shapiro was in on it? Self Esteem May 2025 #39
I doubt it. Clouds Passing May 2025 #44
Is Josh Shapiro an expert in computers and sofware? Eloons DODGE boy toys Autumn May 2025 #59
For that to be possible, Democrats would have to been involved Kaleva May 2025 #36
Dump said it three times publicly. I just reposted what he said. Clouds Passing May 2025 #38
You think he's honest? Kaleva May 2025 #40
He loves to brag when he does bad things. Clouds Passing May 2025 #45
Why continue to post the words of a known pathological liar, Jack Valentino May 2025 #47
Narcissists love to brag when they think they've won, especially when they've cheated. Clouds Passing May 2025 #58
No democrats wouldn't have to be involved questionseverything May 2025 #53
How would Trump know ahead of time that no DEM would bother "looking"? Kaleva May 2025 #60
Al gore was the last democratic presidential candidate to call for hand counted paper ballots questionseverything May 2025 #62
Mi state Repubs conducted an investigation of the 2020 vote Kaleva May 2025 #63
When asked what she or the administration should have done differently fujiyamasan May 2025 #31
It's all Joe's fault. Bull effing shit. valleyrogue May 2025 #46
Allen and Parnes are right wing hacks writing Trump hagiography Prairie Gates May 2025 #48
Here we go again. For one B.See May 2025 #49
There was no way Trump won every battleground state. Anybody who Emile May 2025 #51
Reasons why V. P. Harris lost. Musk was into the data & 5 million voters were stopping from voting. Botany May 2025 #52
From what I heard from my MAGA neighbors during the campaign, that photo alone doc03 May 2025 #55
No single one mistake... Xolodno May 2025 #61

BlueTsunami2018

(4,826 posts)
1. Could have, should have, would have.....
Wed May 14, 2025, 05:17 AM
May 2025

But did not.

There were so many mistakes made. Does it even matter at this point?

People chose hate and suffering and absurdity and we have to live in this Hell for the gods know how long.

justaprogressive

(6,262 posts)
3. "Does it even matter at this point"?
Wed May 14, 2025, 05:27 AM
May 2025

Yes, yes it does.

“With due deference to an esteemed lyrical authority one may safely say that a sorrow’s crown of sorrow is anticipating unhappier things.”

— Saki

BlueTsunami2018

(4,826 posts)
17. I am definitely anticipating unhappier things.
Wed May 14, 2025, 10:57 AM
May 2025

We’ve just barely gotten started. I can’t imagine what three plus years more of this is going to bring.

Shrek

(4,386 posts)
8. I would like to hear more about these mistakes
Wed May 14, 2025, 08:42 AM
May 2025

In the aftermath of the election I read posts right here at DU that the campaign was perfect and flawless and could not possibly have been executed any better.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,826 posts)
19. I think they've been pretty well documented.
Wed May 14, 2025, 11:07 AM
May 2025

Joe should have made it clear that he was one and done. He did his job, got everything back on track and was handing it over. That was the first mistake.

Second was just giving the nomination to Harris. I understand why given the money and all that but not giving people a choice was a mistake. Particularly when, as I see it, if there was a primary or open convention, she wouldn’t have won the job. We’d probably be talking about President Newsom right now.

And then there was the campaign. I don’t know that it all needs to be rehashed because, as I said, it doesn’t really matter at this point.

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
24. It matters that we learn from the loss. If we don't, it was all a waste & will happen again. n/t
Wed May 14, 2025, 02:13 PM
May 2025
 

brush

(61,033 posts)
27. So many mistakes made? No. She ran a near flawless campaign in the short time she had.
Wed May 14, 2025, 02:36 PM
May 2025

beat the convict decisively in the debate. The convention was stellar and set a new mold on how to put on a convention. Raise huge amounts of money from many constituency groups.

Lack of time was the mistake, and we get in trouble here talking about that.

Fiendish Thingy

(21,873 posts)
4. Anybody could've beat Trump
Wed May 14, 2025, 07:39 AM
May 2025

If Biden had announced he wasn’t running for reelection right after the 2022 midterms.

DemocracyWorks

(97 posts)
5. Not true
Wed May 14, 2025, 08:07 AM
May 2025

Trump is a unique figure in politics he beat Hillary Clinton in 2016 and almost won in 2020, so no I don’t think anyone could have beaten him like Dem operatives seem to be coping in these articles. I think Dems need to reconcile that too many Americans love his kind of politics.

krawhitham

(5,052 posts)
9. She lost because the campaign cared more about getting the Liz Cheney voters than progressive voters
Wed May 14, 2025, 09:03 AM
May 2025

Her polling started slipping after she started doing campaign events with Liz Cheney

JI7

(93,115 posts)
16. lol, anyone that didn't vote Harris is not a progressive
Wed May 14, 2025, 10:53 AM
May 2025

It means what Kamala has done and said her entire life didn't matter and that they actually opposed it.

Just like they opposed Liz Cheney being outspoken against Trump.

Those people are trash and show what a joke the progressive label has become.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,826 posts)
20. These so-called progressive voters should have been baked in.
Wed May 14, 2025, 11:15 AM
May 2025

They knew what the stakes were or at least they should have. Instead they decided to be pony people as usual. No long term vision, no patience and many of them have no sense.

If some thousand year war based on mythology and happening thousands of miles away was more important than protecting your own country from fascism , you’re just a dope.

These so-called progressives and leftists were as easily duped by propaganda as the MAGAts. But they smugly consider themselves so much smarter and better.

They’re not.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(132,351 posts)
42. And many thought they were punishing her for what was going on in Gaza
Thu May 15, 2025, 12:23 PM
May 2025

I wonder how the good citizens of Dearborn MI feel now?

Sympthsical

(10,829 posts)
10. The current Democratic consulting class has to go. All of them.
Wed May 14, 2025, 09:12 AM
May 2025

I'm sorry, they're completely out of touch with the average American voter. They're insular, terminally online, and seem to be having nonstop conversations with an entrenched activist class, their friends in media, and one another.

They don't seem to have ever met actual people. I don't know where this insularity begins. Is it the universities they're attending, the jobs they get early in life, the fact their networking webs are all exceedingly incestuous?

It's something, but our messaging just makes choice after choice after choice where I'm often left here thinking, "What on earth are they doing?"

They seem to regard any voters who aren't living on Twitter like Dian Fossey taking tentative steps into the jungle. Voters in the Mist. "What are these strange creatures? Perhaps if we study them, we may learn their ways. We shall explore this once in a NY Magazine article and then never again."

If the Internet tells you a political strategy is a good idea - it's not. It is automatically not. Partisans on social media are part of that insularity, they do not understand voters - they do not want to understand voters - and they will select whatever option appeals most to the narrowest possible band of voters - namely themselves.

It's been at least 15 years of this at this point. Enough. Scrap it, start over.

Andy823

(11,555 posts)
28. Exactly
Wed May 14, 2025, 02:41 PM
May 2025

trump was always saying he didn't need any more votes, and he didn't. Musk did the dirty work, and got us where we are today. There is no way in this world that trump would put up with Musk if he didn't have some really good dirt on him.

Lemon Lyman

(1,555 posts)
41. With the crap that comes out of his mouth
Thu May 15, 2025, 12:20 PM
May 2025

I'm not defending shitler. I just wonder if, when he says about it being rigged or he wouldn't be here, he may be meaning that if 2020 wasn't rigged (it wasn't) he would've served a 2nd term and wouldn't be in office in 2025. I wonder if we're misunderstanding what he's meaning to say. IDK.

Regardless, as much as I loathe sounding like him ("We were cheated out of the win&quot , I still find it hard to believe that he won in 2024. His campaign looked like crap in the closing weeks. Small crowds. Blowing the microphone. Kamala had a lot of energy behind her campaign. Big crowds. Enthusiastic voters. Then there's him winning all the swing states by a small margin. Really? Every single one? Then there's him winning those swing states while other Dem down ballot candidates won.

Autumn

(48,717 posts)
43. In one interview before his inaguration he said Musk knows vote-counting computers
Thu May 15, 2025, 04:03 PM
May 2025

better than anybody all those vote counting computers, and we ended up winning Pennsylvania, like, in a landslide.

In another he said had Elon not rigged the election he would not be here today. That was the most recent one I saw.

videohead5

(2,860 posts)
12. An outsider might have beaten Trump
Wed May 14, 2025, 09:26 AM
May 2025

But I doubt it. There are three reasons that Trump won. People blamed the Biden/Harris administration for inflation was the number one reason that Harris lost and the second reason was that this country will still not vote for a woman to be president. It's a very sad thing. the third reason to a much lesser degree was immigration.

Shrek

(4,386 posts)
14. Demonstrably false
Wed May 14, 2025, 10:49 AM
May 2025
More Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than any other losing presidential candidate in US history.

The Democrat outpaced President-elect Donald Trump by almost 2.9 million votes, with 65,844,954 (48.2%) to his 62,979,879 (46.1%), according to revised and certified final election results from all 50 states and the District of Columbia.


https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-popular-vote-final-count

videohead5

(2,860 posts)
21. But she lost a majority
Wed May 14, 2025, 01:17 PM
May 2025

Of the states. If they could change it to a majority of the people, yes.

usonian

(23,295 posts)
15. Strategy? How about voter suppression? It was YUUUUUUGE. (but not clickbait enough)
Wed May 14, 2025, 10:51 AM
May 2025
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1324&pid=3270

Trump Lost. Vote Suppression Won. By Greg Palast for the Hartmann Report

https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won.

Hartmann:
https://hartmannreport.com/p/0ef5118a-d23b-4842-8ebc-da9b578f73fc

Trump lost. That is, if all legal voters were allowed to vote, if all legal ballots were counted, Trump would have lost the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia. Vice-President Kamala Harris would have won the Presidency with 286 electoral votes.

And, if not for the mass purge of voters of color, if not for the mass disqualification of provisional and mail-in ballots, if not for the new mass “vigilante” challenges in swing states, Harris would have gained at least another 3,565,000 votes, topping Trump’s official popular vote tally by 1.2 million.

Stay with me and I’ll give you the means, methods and, most important, the key calculations.

But if you’re expecting a sexy story about Elon Musk messing with vote-counting software from outer space, sorry, you won’t get that here. As in Bush v. Gore in 2000, and in too many other miscarriages of Democracy, this election was determined by good old “vote suppression,” the polite term we use for shafting people of color out of their ballot. We used to call it Jim Crow.


They're not original thinkers. Jim Crow must go.

Besides, the GOP know what buttons to push.

JI7

(93,115 posts)
18. No, there is too much misogyny. A woman can probably win
Wed May 14, 2025, 10:58 AM
May 2025

if it was like 2008 where the incumbent party was the Republicans during the economic downturn.

But women are held to far higher standards. Even some people that regularly vote democratic mostly including for women at lower levels will be reluctant when it came to the top job.

The complaints about her were things like her laugh .

ananda

(34,308 posts)
22. So we're blaming Democrats again instead of...
Wed May 14, 2025, 01:19 PM
May 2025

blaming the Republicans who stole it, and the
billionaires who helped them?

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
25. I expect more from Democrats, I expect Republicans & Magas to be what they are. n/t
Wed May 14, 2025, 02:19 PM
May 2025

Melon

(983 posts)
50. Looking outside of the organization for scapegoats while
Fri May 16, 2025, 04:05 AM
May 2025

Overlooking our own failures is a failure. Harris was not the best candidate by any means. She wasn’t even. the best candidate for VP when she was chosen and had already been past over by the voting public. We have future learnings to run our best choice in elections not the convenient choice. And stop putting candidates back on ballots that have proven they can’t win.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,662 posts)
56. Not looking for scapegoats
Fri May 16, 2025, 07:22 AM
May 2025

It’s holding democrats and republicans to the same standards. Not a high standard for democrats but no standard for republicans. Too bad some rather blame democrats for everything and republicans for nothing.

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
23. Harris needed all Democrats & independents who usually vote Democratic to get out & vote.
Wed May 14, 2025, 02:09 PM
May 2025

They didn't. Too many Democrats were complacent and overconfident.

 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
32. Do you think Josh Shapiro was in on it?
Wed May 14, 2025, 05:34 PM
May 2025

Maybe he wanted her to lose so that he could run in 2028 knowing that if she won in 2024, she'd be the incumbent and likely nominee in 2028.

He was the governor of Pennsylvania after all - surely he would have some knowledge of their multiple different systems being hacked somehow...

Autumn

(48,717 posts)
59. Is Josh Shapiro an expert in computers and sofware? Eloons DODGE boy toys
Fri May 16, 2025, 12:13 PM
May 2025

are hackers and computer experts, specifically software engineers.

Jack Valentino

(4,251 posts)
47. Why continue to post the words of a known pathological liar,
Thu May 15, 2025, 09:49 PM
May 2025

particularly on this Democratic site?


Don't worry, the maggots will take up the slack on THEIR sites...

questionseverything

(11,525 posts)
53. No democrats wouldn't have to be involved
Fri May 16, 2025, 05:45 AM
May 2025

They just have to be so enthralled with the non transparent system they don’t think “looking” is necessary

questionseverything

(11,525 posts)
62. Al gore was the last democratic presidential candidate to call for hand counted paper ballots
Sat May 17, 2025, 01:28 AM
May 2025

As we know the supremes didn’t allow him to finish the count

Kaleva

(40,130 posts)
63. Mi state Repubs conducted an investigation of the 2020 vote
Sat May 17, 2025, 04:50 AM
May 2025

They didn’t find anything amiss but no court stopped them either

fujiyamasan

(1,127 posts)
31. When asked what she or the administration should have done differently
Wed May 14, 2025, 03:19 PM
May 2025

She replied “nothing”.

That’s when she lost.

Just like Al Gore ran away from a popular incumbent, she didn’t find a way to distance herself from an unpopular sitting president.

That and that “us” and “them” ad. She made a poor choice embracing some absurd policies during the 2020 primaries. That soundbite was gold for Trump.

valleyrogue

(2,525 posts)
46. It's all Joe's fault. Bull effing shit.
Thu May 15, 2025, 08:20 PM
May 2025

NO woman will EVER be elected president of the United States. That much is clear. Trump and his hench people deliberately courted the MRA/incel vote. I don't doubt a hell of a lot of tampering with the tabulators and wholesale disenfranchisement were big factors also.

I ain't buying the notion Trump took every single swing state honestly.

Prairie Gates

(7,131 posts)
48. Allen and Parnes are right wing hacks writing Trump hagiography
Thu May 15, 2025, 09:52 PM
May 2025

I can't speak for Whipple.

This is kicking while down, at best.

B.See

(7,634 posts)
49. Here we go again. For one
Thu May 15, 2025, 10:34 PM
May 2025

the role that right wing voter disenfranchisement, and suppression played is, imo, indisputable. A decade long effort, on their part, to cull the vote and undermine/question its integrity. Or at least that's how long I've been writing of it.

But, imo, from a moral, ETHICAL standpoint, it still shouldn't have been close. Because each party offered clearly distinctive, and different visions of what America should stand for... should embody.

Bottom line, TOO many voters voted out of MALICE... malice founded upon misinformation, mistrust, and/or mean spirited HATE.

Too many CHOSE evil... the darker path, out of revenge, or to make someone else "pay."

Only it is they who may end up paying for their treachery... and paying dearly.

because ... leopards.

#stop blaming Democrats

Emile

(40,321 posts)
51. There was no way Trump won every battleground state. Anybody who
Fri May 16, 2025, 04:41 AM
May 2025

orchestrated an insurrection to overthrow our government, is capable of cheating four years later.

Botany

(76,254 posts)
52. Reasons why V. P. Harris lost. Musk was into the data & 5 million voters were stopping from voting.
Fri May 16, 2025, 05:32 AM
May 2025

End of story. Trump knew the fix was in.

doc03

(38,787 posts)
55. From what I heard from my MAGA neighbors during the campaign, that photo alone
Fri May 16, 2025, 07:06 AM
May 2025

explains why she lost.

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