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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKamala Could Have Won - The American Prospect

In her campaign launch speech addressing the economy and in her DNC acceptance speech, she addressed the cost of living as singularly important, showed empathy, and offered concrete policy solutions. She promised that Congress would enact the bipartisan border control bill. She embraced President Bidens expanded Child Tax Credit and attacked Donald Trumps tax cuts for billionaires. Her speeches made the election a battle for the middle class. She was laser-focused on the cost of living, while portrayingcorrectly, as we are seeing todayTrump tariffs as an inflationary tax on imports. She made that the principal fight of the campaign.
Two books, one by Chris Whipple, Uncharted: How Trump Beat Biden, Harris, and the Odds in the Wildest Campaign in History, and the other by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes, Fight: Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House, show the disastrous decisions that put Donald Trump in the White House. I will also describe my efforts with various participants to impact those decisions.
You need to read both these important books to understand the 2024 election. Harris could have won, but her campaign had so many 180-degree turns and was so burdened by Joe Bidens continued presence in the campaign that she lost. The lessons for Democrats are painful.
https://prospect.org/culture/books/2025-05-14-kamala-could-have-won-whipple-allen-parnes-review/
Recommended if painful.
BlueTsunami2018
(4,826 posts)But did not.
There were so many mistakes made. Does it even matter at this point?
People chose hate and suffering and absurdity and we have to live in this Hell for the gods know how long.
justaprogressive
(6,262 posts)Yes, yes it does.
With due deference to an esteemed lyrical authority one may safely say that a sorrows crown of sorrow is anticipating unhappier things.
Saki
BlueTsunami2018
(4,826 posts)Weve just barely gotten started. I cant imagine what three plus years more of this is going to bring.
bdamomma
(69,139 posts)give up on hope.
Shrek
(4,386 posts)In the aftermath of the election I read posts right here at DU that the campaign was perfect and flawless and could not possibly have been executed any better.
BlueTsunami2018
(4,826 posts)Joe should have made it clear that he was one and done. He did his job, got everything back on track and was handing it over. That was the first mistake.
Second was just giving the nomination to Harris. I understand why given the money and all that but not giving people a choice was a mistake. Particularly when, as I see it, if there was a primary or open convention, she wouldnt have won the job. Wed probably be talking about President Newsom right now.
And then there was the campaign. I dont know that it all needs to be rehashed because, as I said, it doesnt really matter at this point.
elocs
(24,486 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)beat the convict decisively in the debate. The convention was stellar and set a new mold on how to put on a convention. Raise huge amounts of money from many constituency groups.
Lack of time was the mistake, and we get in trouble here talking about that.
DemocracyWorks
(97 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(21,873 posts)If Biden had announced he wasnt running for reelection right after the 2022 midterms.
DemocracyWorks
(97 posts)Trump is a unique figure in politics he beat Hillary Clinton in 2016 and almost won in 2020, so no I dont think anyone could have beaten him like Dem operatives seem to be coping in these articles. I think Dems need to reconcile that too many Americans love his kind of politics.
Johonny
(25,291 posts)I will leave what if to Marvell
tinrobot
(11,938 posts)krawhitham
(5,052 posts)Her polling started slipping after she started doing campaign events with Liz Cheney
JI7
(93,115 posts)It means what Kamala has done and said her entire life didn't matter and that they actually opposed it.
Just like they opposed Liz Cheney being outspoken against Trump.
Those people are trash and show what a joke the progressive label has become.
BlueTsunami2018
(4,826 posts)They knew what the stakes were or at least they should have. Instead they decided to be pony people as usual. No long term vision, no patience and many of them have no sense.
If some thousand year war based on mythology and happening thousands of miles away was more important than protecting your own country from fascism , youre just a dope.
These so-called progressives and leftists were as easily duped by propaganda as the MAGAts. But they smugly consider themselves so much smarter and better.
Theyre not.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(132,351 posts)I wonder how the good citizens of Dearborn MI feel now?
Sympthsical
(10,829 posts)I'm sorry, they're completely out of touch with the average American voter. They're insular, terminally online, and seem to be having nonstop conversations with an entrenched activist class, their friends in media, and one another.
They don't seem to have ever met actual people. I don't know where this insularity begins. Is it the universities they're attending, the jobs they get early in life, the fact their networking webs are all exceedingly incestuous?
It's something, but our messaging just makes choice after choice after choice where I'm often left here thinking, "What on earth are they doing?"
They seem to regard any voters who aren't living on Twitter like Dian Fossey taking tentative steps into the jungle. Voters in the Mist. "What are these strange creatures? Perhaps if we study them, we may learn their ways. We shall explore this once in a NY Magazine article and then never again."
If the Internet tells you a political strategy is a good idea - it's not. It is automatically not. Partisans on social media are part of that insularity, they do not understand voters - they do not want to understand voters - and they will select whatever option appeals most to the narrowest possible band of voters - namely themselves.
It's been at least 15 years of this at this point. Enough. Scrap it, start over.
Autumn
(48,717 posts)trump was always saying he didn't need any more votes, and he didn't. Musk did the dirty work, and got us where we are today. There is no way in this world that trump would put up with Musk if he didn't have some really good dirt on him.
Autumn
(48,717 posts)Lemon Lyman
(1,555 posts)I'm not defending shitler. I just wonder if, when he says about it being rigged or he wouldn't be here, he may be meaning that if 2020 wasn't rigged (it wasn't) he would've served a 2nd term and wouldn't be in office in 2025. I wonder if we're misunderstanding what he's meaning to say. IDK.
Regardless, as much as I loathe sounding like him ("We were cheated out of the win"
, I still find it hard to believe that he won in 2024. His campaign looked like crap in the closing weeks. Small crowds. Blowing the microphone. Kamala had a lot of energy behind her campaign. Big crowds. Enthusiastic voters. Then there's him winning all the swing states by a small margin. Really? Every single one? Then there's him winning those swing states while other Dem down ballot candidates won.
Autumn
(48,717 posts)better than anybody all those vote counting computers, and we ended up winning Pennsylvania, like, in a landslide.
In another he said had Elon not rigged the election he would not be here today. That was the most recent one I saw.
TommyT139
(2,134 posts)videohead5
(2,860 posts)But I doubt it. There are three reasons that Trump won. People blamed the Biden/Harris administration for inflation was the number one reason that Harris lost and the second reason was that this country will still not vote for a woman to be president. It's a very sad thing. the third reason to a much lesser degree was immigration.
Shrek
(4,386 posts)More Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than any other losing presidential candidate in US history.
The Democrat outpaced President-elect Donald Trump by almost 2.9 million votes, with 65,844,954 (48.2%) to his 62,979,879 (46.1%), according to revised and certified final election results from all 50 states and the District of Columbia.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-popular-vote-final-count
videohead5
(2,860 posts)Of the states. If they could change it to a majority of the people, yes.
Brainfodder
(7,781 posts)Something about brags.
usonian
(23,295 posts)Trump Lost. Vote Suppression Won. By Greg Palast for the Hartmann Report
https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won.
Hartmann:
https://hartmannreport.com/p/0ef5118a-d23b-4842-8ebc-da9b578f73fc
And, if not for the mass purge of voters of color, if not for the mass disqualification of provisional and mail-in ballots, if not for the new mass vigilante challenges in swing states, Harris would have gained at least another 3,565,000 votes, topping Trumps official popular vote tally by 1.2 million.
Stay with me and Ill give you the means, methods and, most important, the key calculations.
But if youre expecting a sexy story about Elon Musk messing with vote-counting software from outer space, sorry, you wont get that here. As in Bush v. Gore in 2000, and in too many other miscarriages of Democracy, this election was determined by good old vote suppression, the polite term we use for shafting people of color out of their ballot. We used to call it Jim Crow.
They're not original thinkers. Jim Crow must go.
Besides, the GOP know what buttons to push.

JI7
(93,115 posts)if it was like 2008 where the incumbent party was the Republicans during the economic downturn.
But women are held to far higher standards. Even some people that regularly vote democratic mostly including for women at lower levels will be reluctant when it came to the top job.
The complaints about her were things like her laugh .
ananda
(34,308 posts)blaming the Republicans who stole it, and the
billionaires who helped them?
elocs
(24,486 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(6,662 posts)Melon
(983 posts)Overlooking our own failures is a failure. Harris was not the best candidate by any means. She wasnt even. the best candidate for VP when she was chosen and had already been past over by the voting public. We have future learnings to run our best choice in elections not the convenient choice. And stop putting candidates back on ballots that have proven they cant win.
SocialDemocrat61
(6,662 posts)Its holding democrats and republicans to the same standards. Not a high standard for democrats but no standard for republicans. Too bad some rather blame democrats for everything and republicans for nothing.
elocs
(24,486 posts)They didn't. Too many Democrats were complacent and overconfident.
Ponietz
(4,226 posts)Ignorance and apathy.
NoMoreRepugs
(11,779 posts)Clouds Passing
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Self Esteem
(2,248 posts)Maybe he wanted her to lose so that he could run in 2028 knowing that if she won in 2024, she'd be the incumbent and likely nominee in 2028.
He was the governor of Pennsylvania after all - surely he would have some knowledge of their multiple different systems being hacked somehow...
Clouds Passing
(6,842 posts)Self Esteem
(2,248 posts)Clouds Passing
(6,842 posts)Autumn
(48,717 posts)are hackers and computer experts, specifically software engineers.
Kaleva
(40,130 posts)Like in Michigan
Clouds Passing
(6,842 posts)Kaleva
(40,130 posts)Clouds Passing
(6,842 posts)Jack Valentino
(4,251 posts)particularly on this Democratic site?
Don't worry, the maggots will take up the slack on THEIR sites...
Clouds Passing
(6,842 posts)questionseverything
(11,525 posts)They just have to be so enthralled with the non transparent system they dont think looking is necessary
Kaleva
(40,130 posts)questionseverything
(11,525 posts)As we know the supremes didnt allow him to finish the count
Kaleva
(40,130 posts)They didnt find anything amiss but no court stopped them either
fujiyamasan
(1,127 posts)She replied nothing.
Thats when she lost.
Just like Al Gore ran away from a popular incumbent, she didnt find a way to distance herself from an unpopular sitting president.
That and that us and them ad. She made a poor choice embracing some absurd policies during the 2020 primaries. That soundbite was gold for Trump.
valleyrogue
(2,525 posts)NO woman will EVER be elected president of the United States. That much is clear. Trump and his hench people deliberately courted the MRA/incel vote. I don't doubt a hell of a lot of tampering with the tabulators and wholesale disenfranchisement were big factors also.
I ain't buying the notion Trump took every single swing state honestly.
Prairie Gates
(7,131 posts)I can't speak for Whipple.
This is kicking while down, at best.
B.See
(7,634 posts)the role that right wing voter disenfranchisement, and suppression played is, imo, indisputable. A decade long effort, on their part, to cull the vote and undermine/question its integrity. Or at least that's how long I've been writing of it.
But, imo, from a moral, ETHICAL standpoint, it still shouldn't have been close. Because each party offered clearly distinctive, and different visions of what America should stand for... should embody.
Bottom line, TOO many voters voted out of MALICE... malice founded upon misinformation, mistrust, and/or mean spirited HATE.
Too many CHOSE evil... the darker path, out of revenge, or to make someone else "pay."
Only it is they who may end up paying for their treachery... and paying dearly.
because ... leopards.
#stop blaming Democrats
Emile
(40,321 posts)orchestrated an insurrection to overthrow our government, is capable of cheating four years later.
Botany
(76,254 posts)End of story. Trump knew the fix was in.
doc03
(38,787 posts)explains why she lost.
Xolodno
(7,291 posts)...it was several. Almost too many to list.