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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat the FUCK is this shit? How much Biden Bashing is there going to be?
My words: We have a goddamn CONVICT in the White House, who continues his minute by minute CRIMING, and the news outlets are promoting this SHIT? There are no words that can adequately express my disgust and disdain for these people.https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrats-blame-problems-biden-215904592.html
'Can Democrats blame their problems all on Biden?'
https://nhjournal.com/in-new-book-nhs-kuster-admits-she-knew-biden-unfit-in-24-backed-him-anyway/
'In New Book, Kuster Admits She Knew Biden Unfit in ’24, Backed Him Anyway'
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/joe-biden-age-decline-democrats-angry
'Angry and stunned Democrats blame Biden’s closest advisers for shielding public from full extent of president’s decline'
https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-political-scene/how-joe-biden-handed-the-presidency-to-donald-trump
'How Joe Biden Handed the Presidency to Donald Trump'
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mjvpi
(1,840 posts)
Keepthesoulalive
(2,097 posts)Blame the American people who voted for him. He was grifting idiot before and nothing changed on the second go round.
uponit7771
(93,469 posts)
Hekate
(100,131 posts)They’re here …
😕
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obamanut2012
(29,148 posts)Some of teh stuff I have been reading in here today and yesterday is like reading a conservative subreddit. No difference, literally.
niyad
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Progressive dog
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Johonny
(25,291 posts)Last edited Wed May 14, 2025, 01:56 PM - Edit history (1)
So they will never look at how they created the environment in which a great president could leave office deeply unpopular due to mostly a completely uninformed populous, while a truly awful president was thrust upon America as a savior from things that are mostly imginary problems.
Who did that? Joe Biden or the dipshit media? Hmm . . .
The jet is a bribe. Say the word, say the word.
yorkster
(3,645 posts)Jake Tapper. Annie Kuster must be proud.
In the meantime, Trump is pulling off presidential crimes of the century on all fronts.
Jeezus H.
soldierant
(9,254 posts)not merely this century.
We have had some incompetent Presidents, some stupid Presidents, and some grifting Presidents (Teapot Dome, anyone? And Nixon.) but never a criminal to the bone President until now.
yorkster
(3,645 posts)as a figure of speech.
This one, Trump, takes the cake. Worst president ever.
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)Response to Silent Type (Reply #7)
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ShazzieB
(22,148 posts)Overly broad, tbh.
What does that mean, exactly? What did Biden do that = "what Democrats do"?
I don't follow you. Democrats do a lot of things, but I don't remember another case of a Democrat doing what Biden did (i.e., staying in a race longer than some thought he should because people thought he was too old). What am I missing?
elocs
(24,486 posts)And I don't feel any reason to explain myself to you.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,102 posts)that President Biden was "...too proud to drop out..." That is an ugly accusation.
This is what Democrats do? What's that? The best they can under the very worst circumstances?
WTF.
Progressive dog
(7,566 posts)but I don't think Biden bears much of it. The billionaires and the crypto-crooks won.
Hekate
(100,131 posts)…gets sworn in immediately. What a thrilling prospect that is.
And that, fellow citizens, is what you get for not knowing the line of succession, among other things. JD Vance’s personal line is to a South African billionaire immigrant named Thiel.
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)mentioned getting rid of trump too, I’d bet money you would have said, “What about getting rid of trump.”
Vance doesn’t get the love trump does and couldn’t pull this chit off like trump.
But thanks for the input.
hadEnuf
(3,511 posts)Instead of giving them a desperately deserved beat down that will make them think twice, we back off because the next guy is an asshole too.
Hekate
(100,131 posts)… how and why Vice President JD Vance got where he is.
Peter Thiel is yet another Out of South Africa billionaire (as is Musk) whose money is transnational and who feels that US borders and laws have nothing to do with him. Thiel is Vance’s patron, and essentially bought him a US Senate seat — which was Vance’s first-ever political campaign and elected office. Being V-POTUS is his second political office.
Vance is yet another slimy American right-winger who is making good, if by “good” you mean getting in on the wealth and power. He is deep into Project 2025, which is rapidly overthrowing our government and reducing it to rubble.
What Vance is not, is stupid. Vance is not stupid. Do not either underestimate or overestimate your enemy.
Trump is not invincible, but he has escaped consequences for 2 impeachments and 1 Capitol insurrection, and has returned to office backed by Project 2025 and holding all 3 branches of government.
It may be satisfying to fantasize about ways of getting rid of the bastard, but it appears that one of the best things we can do is join the resistance and bleed him by making the lives of MAGAGOP politicians miserable. Weaken trump by showing up in great numbers — check out the Indivisible plan — start watching Rachel Maddow’s extensive coverage of the resistance if you don’t believe me.
Check out these 2 DU forums:
Activist Headquarters
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1011
And
The Way Forward
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1324
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Wanderlust988
(720 posts)That's why we keep talking about him.
usonian
(23,290 posts)
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)But we have to belittle a man who's out of office and did a magnificent job when he was in office. Jesus, people.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(132,350 posts)
Dave Id
(230 posts)Not sleeping, getting some executive time.
Autumn
(48,717 posts)The media will never report Joe's many accomplishments.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,102 posts)the orange felon's many, many crimes, lies, grifts, impeachments, traitorous actions, etc., infinity. 
bdamomma
(69,139 posts)Don.
LetMyPeopleVote
(174,290 posts)
Ol Janx Spirit
(613 posts)Last edited Wed May 14, 2025, 02:32 PM - Edit history (1)
Each of those news outlets have plenty of negative stories about the current Administration also. Do not think I'm not being sympathetic to your point or not as outraged as everyone else--I am. It's just that it gets really aggravating when time and time again our side gets right to the goal line and fumbles the ball in ways that allow the other team to stay in the game:
- I get it, but Hillary should never have had a private email server. That was stupid and even more stupidly handled.
- Fani Willis: seriously, you HAD to have an affair with someone you brought in on possibly the most consequential case of our lifetimes? Thanks!
- Joe, we had a great case against F-47 for classified documents, but no! You had some in your damn garage too?
- Hunter: thanks for looking super-grifty so the Rs could attack you and both-sides every bit of the Turnip family grift. Really helpful! Oh and, whatever happened with the laptop...nice move.
- Ruth Bader Ginsburg: We all loved you, but you were 81 in 2014 when a Democratic president and congress could have installed your replacement. We will live with this decision for a long time, and it undid so much of what you worked for your entire life for.
- How much mileage have conservatives gotten out of Hillary's "basket of deplorables" comment; or Biden's "the only garbage I see floating out there is [Trump's] supporter’s" comment. Those things just aren't helpful. Period.
- Merrick Garland: what were you doing?
- And there was a lot of talk from inside the campaign in 2020 that Joe would not run in 2024 and be a transitional president. I thought at the time that it was a great idea since he already showed a lot of signs of slowing down compared to past campaigns. A strong primary would have given Democrats a much better chance at winning in 2024.
It just gets exhausting to be on the other side of what you feel is just horrible people pushing horrible policies and constantly feel like blatant errors from your own side always leave the door wide open for them to keep on doing harm to America.
I hate the negative articles too, but in some ways it might be good for the party to own up to its mistakes and learn from them rather than to pretend everything is okay and it is all the fault of the press, the Rs, or the voters that didn't turn out.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,102 posts)The entire Orange Felon's first administration used private servers, including the back door to the Kremlin.
Maybe you've missed the huge national security issues CURRENTLY.
FYI: NOBODY is pretending "everything is okay," except, perhaps, "...the press, the Rs, or the voters that didn't turn out."
Your lengthy list of Democrats' imaginary sins is an insult to the Democratic party, IMO.
Ol Janx Spirit
(613 posts)...you have a problem in general election contests. I am only saying that part of that sentiment is driven by handing Republicans easy ways to deflect from their own corruption by making it look as if Democrats are just as corrupt. Some of that is on the Democrats that should know better than to open that door even a crack by doing things like putting classified documents in their garage...or having a private email server. Heck, Senator Menendez was just convicted of federal corruption charges--not a great look.
And no, I'm not missing anything about what is going on. I'm frustrated that for every issue that seems like a cut-and-dry case of Republican corruption there is almost always something that they can use to make Democrats look equally bad or at least bolster their case that Democrats are doing something corrupt in trying to hold them to account.
After World War II, both America and the Soviet Union had the opportunity to dominate the post-World War world. America came out on top by being better than the fascist regime it had just helped overthrow--becoming a beacon of democracy and freedom and trust--while the Soviet Union promised only fascism under a different banner. It means something to hold yourself to a higher standard regardless of what the other side does.
love_katz
(3,193 posts)These are people who really want to vote Republican but are too cowardly to come out and say so.
Ol Janx Spirit
(613 posts)...so obviously there is a segment of the electorate that influences the political pendulum we see.
love_katz
(3,193 posts)They seem to make what passes for their decisions on media sound bites, and the idea that they should throw whoever is in the majority out.
This isn't rational well thought out decision making.
The best way to figure out which party has your best interests is to look at their written platform. It is always in the voter pamphlets that are mailed to your address, and are also available for free in public libraries.
As far as the so-called Independents go, they honestly seem to be composed of people who are in favor of various kinds of bigotry, but they don't have the guts to come out and say so. If they were more honest about their views, maybe effective challenges could be written and spoken about. I'm of the firm opinion that most bigotry is based in ignorance and lack of experience with people who are different.
BootinUp
(50,800 posts)I don’t remember anybody in the D party making excuses for his crimes.
Ol Janx Spirit
(613 posts)...to pay attention to our corruption." That is just not helpful. It would be great if Ds got to frame how they are perceived by the world, but that isn't how it works.
mcar
(45,597 posts)
Ol Janx Spirit
(613 posts)...but it has been highly detrimental to Democrats' ability to hold the high ground.
Too many voters view the two major parties in the same light, and this is a part of the reason for that.
vapor2
(3,637 posts)Your point is absolutely valid and I am tired of hearing it also
johnnyplankton
(596 posts)His ego fucked us all.
BurnDoubt
(1,373 posts)Trump quit campaigning half-way through because the fix was in. In a world where the difference was one-or-two-points, how is it possible for them to have taken the trifecta? If there was even a whiff honesty about them, MAYBE. But they've got form, and wouldn't hesitate.
crimycarny
(1,980 posts)I don't think any Democrat would have won. I'm not sure of election interference, but I do know that Trump was smart to keep bringing up the (lie) that he lost he 2020 election. Why? Because it stoked the Trump supporters' need for revenge over anything else.
Their need for revenge blinded them to everything else. "Our team won back the championship... yay!!" (because they treated the election as if it had all the long-term consequences of a football game, versus the real long-term consequences of a Trump win).
Add to that the lack of voter enthusiasm from some young voters who haven't gone through anything like the Civil Rights movement or the Vietnam War. Or the protest votes in critical swing states from some of the pro-Palestinian groups (I'm not blaming all pro-Palestinians, but there were some who were quite open about not voting for Kamala as a protest).
BurnDoubt
(1,373 posts)Try going to Texas and declaring that the indigenous tribes there be re-patriated to the lands their ancestors were forced to cede, first to Spain, then Mexico, and now the US. See how long they go along with that. That said, why would you think your best chances would be with the guy supporting the guy with his Jack-Boot on your throat? Had Kamala been elected, Bibi would have finished the job wholesale, before Inauguration Day, however horrific the results. There was NEVER any salvation coming their way. This way, at least there will be a HUGE Golden Golf-Motel where so many desperately poverty-stricken people had been trying to eke-out a living in penury. I would think the Israelis, of all people would have more compassion for repressed and oppressed human beings. There were other lessons they could have gleaned from their sad History. Hopefully they can all take a lesson and Strangle their vengeful pogroms in their sleep. I weep for the Children.
Conjuay
(2,863 posts)Heroes don't take 400 million dollar 'presents'.
Fuckin' ingrates.
BattleRow
(2,087 posts)Robert Ingersoll
twodogsbarking
(17,481 posts)“The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is.”
― Lenny Bruce
hadEnuf
(3,511 posts)Trump is an incoherent, vulgar, blabbering fool who can barely make sense half the time, but the Republicans stick to him like glue.
Biden misspoke and flubbed a few lines during the debate and overboard he went, along with his stellar accomplishments.
The voting public watched that happen. What do we think they thought of it?
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)held an un-fathomable amount of stuff together for years, esp during the aftermath of the Covid that Trump fucked up, along with dealing with the international situations........
The dems were not kind or appreciative at all that he was doing, and had done.......
In my opinion, they have learned nothing, and are just continuing to be disorganized and aimless and without any real leaders or leadership. A few are rising up, but the rest are just watching them....
True Blue American
(18,579 posts)The Elders he helped for 50 years dumped him as my Son said. He was furious, so am I. They gave the election to Trump.
johnnyplankton
(596 posts)It's a fantasy to think that he's not in decline.
Self Esteem
(2,248 posts)It wasn't just a few flubbed lines. It was a horrific, awful performance that shook the party to its core.
The revisionism here is astounding.
The party openly defied calls for Biden to step aside for a solid year, falling in line in 2023 and supporting him despite multiple polls showing him not only consistently losing to Trump but that the number one issue for Americans was his age. They spoke up to the media that they felt Biden was fine and had the physical and mental stamina to win in November. They pushed no viable primary challenge and basically made major party members promise not to support either RFK or Dean Phillips. The party did everything to show a united front with Biden despite the fact that by the eve of the debate, Biden trailed in nearly every poll nationally and in nearly every poll in each swing state, including by near-double digits in places like Nevada.
Biden's team continued to dismiss the concerns of the party - from people like Pelosi to Jeffries to senate candidates who were seeing their support stagnate.
Back in 2023 when Biden announced he was running for a second term, and the party near-universally lined up behind him, they did so because his team made some strong promises about how he would campaign. They promised he would run an aggressive, active coast-to-coast campaign where he was front and center proving he had the stamina needed to serve another four years. The party wanted commitments that he would hold rallies, town halls and do extensive media interviews so that they could put to rest the concerns polling had showed was his biggest vulnerability as a candidate.
They promised they would run the most aggressive, expansive reelection campaign to date.
The plan was to use the SOTU speech in early 2024 as his big kickoff. He and Harris would then do a multi-state tour hitting up Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. They were expected to have full access for local media and rallies with supporters.
None of that materialized. Biden decided in the end that they would run a small, retail politics-oriented campaign where they'd forgo the media and rallies and instead hold retail events that got them out in front of voters.
It was not working. Biden's polling got progressively worse and the media started questioning his fitness even louder. The campaign was radio silent on the issue but continued to promise changes.
The big talking point from the campaign in early 2024 was that voters were not engaged in the election and didn't think Trump would be the nominee, especially with his legal troubles and because of that, they weren't fully committed to Biden. Once it became clear Trump was the nominee, they'd shift.
They didn't. Trump locked up the nomination and Biden continued to trail.
So, the campaign made another excuse when what they said would materialize didn't: voters still aren't engaged and once they become engaged, they'll remember how awful Trump is and the polling will shift.
Their idea to fast forward that engagement? Proposed an early summer debate. Trump had been crying about an earlier debate for weeks - so the Biden team decided to bite. They thought it was going to be the thing that turned the race in their favor. So, they made the proposal and Trump accepted.
The debate I don't need to get into. It was horrendous.
But it shook the party. It became clear Biden's campaign was collapsing. Internal polling, shared at party meetings each week, showed a significant drop - but worse for a lot of Democrats, it showed the party losing Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin senate seats.
That's when the noise started to pick up.
There was a real frustration within the party that the Biden team made promise after promise to alleviate their concerns about his age and they failed to meet them. The only reason the party lined up behind Biden was that they were promised an extremely active campaign where Biden would work to prove to the American people that he had the stamina and cognitive abilities to serve another four years. That was completely wiped out in one debate. Not only did Biden look confused, he looked exhausted and that was the image Democrats wanted to avoid.
On top of that, Democrats were angry that Biden refused to take the debate seriously. Unlikely in 2020, when Biden stepped off the campaign trail for a week to focus entirely on debate prep, last summer, Biden struggled to even commit to hours within the day. He didn't prep at all. And frankly, it showed.
Trump? He did. Trump spent a solid week preparing for that debate because he refused to prep four years earlier and got absolutely destroyed by Biden.
And that became the prevailing thought among Democrats: Biden's hubris was now not just sinking his chances vs Trump but also seriously jeopardizing senate seats Democrats thought they were likely to win.
There was anger in the party that Biden and his team misled officials in 2023 about the type of campaign he was going to run. They did not think he was taking any of it seriously, or that he just assumed he was going to win and didn't need to put in the effort.
It wasn't until the debate that Biden and his campaign finally went to the playbook they promised to use in 2024 to prove to everyone he was fit to run the country for four more years.
That playbook included doing interviews, something Biden had refused to do for a bulk of the campaign, as well as a press conference and campaign rallies.
But by that point, it was too late.
The damage was done.
Democrats moved because they saw the writing on the wall and it was disastrous.
They didn't have the luxury of waiting things out.
And then Trump's assassination attempt only created more contrast. Trump gets shot at, falls to the ground and instantly pops up, bloodied and yelling, "fight!" while he pumped his fists - only to then have Biden, on the heels of his debate, come down with COVID and look at death's door.
The feeling within the party was bleak. Especially after the imagery of Biden struggling to get into a SUV when he was sick just days after the Trump assassination attempt.
Biden knew at that point he could not continue.
But the truth is, he should have never run for a second term in the first place.
Had Biden announced in 2023 that he was done, he accomplished what he needed to and it was time to hand the torch to the next generation, I fully believe, even if Trump still won, Biden's legacy would be much better today.
Alas...
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,102 posts)Is that you? 
fujiyamasan
(1,127 posts)Tired of hearing the revisionist BS myself.
Exit polls during the 2022 midterms showed a clear majority of voters (both general electorate and democratic voters) didn’t want Biden to run again and had reservations about his age. He decided to run anyways.
If anything democrats made a mistake in not convincing him to leave earlier. While it would have been a relatively close election regardless of the nominee, it would have given democrats a fighting chance, especially if they weren’t tied to the administration.
hadEnuf
(3,511 posts)Trump's debate performance was his usual Gish Gallop of lies that were not even fact checked. He prepped? LOL.
Biden had a stellar record while Trump and the ass-kissing media were making up stories that he was walking into walls. And in the end the party fed right into it.
Harris was a good candidate but she had 4 months to establish herself. In a misogynistic and racist country like ours that was going to be a no-go in that amount of time.
Biden did make some mistakes during his time in, like Garland, but after what he did for our country, tossing him hurt us in the long run.
Jack Valentino
(4,251 posts)it was so good that Republicans were reduced to claiming that he was "on performance-enhancing drugs"...
Your arguments against him having run again have some merit, "with the benefit of hindsight",
but it seems to serve no good purpose to be promoting them NOW.... Pres. Biden is long retired.
Arguing the rights and wrongs of those decisions, only gives political cover to TRUMP
at the time when he should not have any, particularly none coming out from loyal members
of the Democratic Party.
PRESIDENT BIDEN, on his WORST DAY,
was a lot better than TRUMP on his BEST day, whenever that was....
love_katz
(3,193 posts)Dems keep getting shot in the foot by people who insist on creating a circular firing squad.
Certain groups keep going in front of the media with their supposedly inside scoop on how the Dems are just as bad as the Republicans. 
Really people. Get a grip! Both Sides Don't!
The Pukes keep winning for two basic reasons: they are lock-step in their messaging. They stick together on both messages and voting. They never go off the reservation in front of the media.
Dems don't have the giant megaphone of conservative and corporate owned media backing them and widely spreading our message.
So, how does it help us to get in front of the media and start criticizing our candidates?
Answer: it doesn't!!!
Maybe Joe and Kamala weren't pure as the driven snow and perfect enough for you, but how well did the Genocide Joe and Killer Kamala statements to The Media work out for you?!? Really? Gaza is being destroyed and the people will be kicked out. Agolf $hitler is talking openly about the US "just taking Gaza".
With the election being as close as it was, why were those of you who insisted on attacking first Joe and then Kamala, unable to see that the Tangerine Tyrant and his henchmen and broligarch owners would be horrible on every cause you claim to care about?
Democrats need to knock it off with the bloody stupid circular firing squads. If we want to know what keeps handing the electoral victories to the Pukes, we need to acknowledge a couple of things. The Pukes have been working for about 56 years on their project to destroy democracy and replace it with authoritarian rule. And, they began buying up media outlets since at least the 1980's, and maybe earlier than that.
Given that a large number of the electorate doesn't bother with getting infomed about candidates and proposed measures until right before the election, it DOES NOT help us to go to the media and complain that the Dem candidates aren't perfect. Do you see Republicans doing that? No? Well, maybe that's a big factor in why they keep winning.
Pukes eff up the economy EVERY TIME, and yet, people keep voting them into office.
Democrats can't fix anything when we're in the minority. That's how our government works.
The endless circular firing squad is why our party keeps losing.
Joe Biden on his absolute worst day is and was a Vastly Superior public servant, compared to tRump who is completely owned by Pooty Poot, the Russian Mob, and the broligarch billionaires who want to destroy our democracy, enslave us all and rob us of every cent that we have.
Why is this so hard to understand? Attacking our candidates plays straight into the hands of the Pukes and their cronies. They've been playing the long game, while we keep shooting down the people who could help us stop this juggernaut.
mcar
(45,597 posts)
Iamscrewed
(486 posts)Have fun with your fascism dumbasses 
Clouds Passing
(6,842 posts)serbbral
(333 posts)Donald Trump does not look good at all. I watched him that day when they showed the Republicans all sitting around the table and giving him praise. 
His skin looked awful (I know it usually does with the orange glare, but that day it was really bad). He must set up a time when they have to do that, because this was shown in his first term also. How sad!
SheltieLover
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Ferrets are Cool
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spanone
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PatSeg
(51,968 posts)Biden does not deserve this. I will probably never get over how poorly he was treated by the media and even by many supposed allies.
Meanwhile, his many, many accomplishments are rarely acknowledged by those who should have been supporting him. What a f*cking thankless job.
Fiendish Thingy
(21,872 posts)Why should books critical of Biden automatically be assumed to be lying?
Many of the authors were there, or their sources were.
It’s an important story to be told.
serbbral
(333 posts)but I just do not think Biden was senile or had some form of dementia. I have heard many times how people accused his cabinet of hiding his mental incapacity. To me, Biden was showing regular signs of aging. Has he shown some mix-ups, sure, but I do not think that it constituted anything like dementia or senility, the way many seem to want it to be. He, like most people, just is not the same at 80+ as he was at 30, 40, 50, or 60 something. I maybe bias, but Trump shows more signs of having dementia in my opinion and I am not just saying that because I do not like the guy.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)corruption that is going on everyday before our eyes with the dismantling of government institutions, the chaos created by the uncertainty of policies that are on one day, and off the next, then back on again. The appointments of people to critical positions who are ignoramus incompetents in positions they should not be in, such as rfk jr, with his autism obsession, questioning vaccines that have saved millions of lives, add to that the "holistic" qwack who is being nominated as the Surgeon General, or the appointment of Prassad who is not a fan of drug approvals, and vaccines, along with his wonderful budget which the house plans to cut essential aid to those on medicaid who need it most.
Or the weaponization of the DOJ against political opponents, with threats of incarceration, eliminating due process, insane rantings of "taking over Canada and Greenland".
Yeah, Biden had issues, but he didn't try to overthrow the government by inciting an insurrection, and he had competent people in positions behind him, something that cannot be said for those in the current administration.
When you have billionaire owners of newspaper interfering with editorial content, and perpetuating the emperors edicts on renaming geographical references, along with law firms bowing down to kiss his ring and paying him off because they were doing their job of representing their clients he didn't like?
This is what is happening today, and it will have an impact for everyone today.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,102 posts)and frankly, suspect.
The blind eyes turned resolutely away from what is happening right in front of them, is shocking. Especially in this forum.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(21,872 posts)Bettie
(19,219 posts)I can think of half a dozen about the current corruption going on.
A few more about how our government is being disassembled and the pieces destroyed.
But, they (and, it seems a lot of people here) want to keep on with the Democrats are BAD mantra.
Fiendish Thingy
(21,872 posts)As opposed to a year from now as we head into the midterms.
We must learn from our mistakes (and acknowledge our mistakes to begin with) in order to capitalize on the crimes and corruption of the current administration.
Bettie
(19,219 posts)but at some point, we have to address the media situation as well. It is hard to even GET a message out at larger scale.
mcar
(45,597 posts)Biden is old.
See, both “issues” deserve the exact same scrutiny. 
Pisces
(6,155 posts)their lying eyes and questioned Biden’s diminishing capabilities and this is called Treason. There are people running in 2028 that will need to answer this question on why they didn’t speak up. It is better they address this now, not in 2028. No one likes being lied to.
Joe Biden was a good President
Joe Biden should not have run for a second term
Joe Biden has some responsibility in the Dems losing
Trump is President
writerJT
(467 posts)use of “fake news” or “HOAX!”
Blind partisanship. I don’t know why people like to lie to themselves.
My opinion is that none of this really matters. He’s gone, he’s not going to run again, no one is going to him for his “blessing” to run in 2028, etc.
This is all just noise. I’m not going to add to it anymore, here or elsewhere. All focus should be on 2026 and 2028.
BootinUp
(50,800 posts)Writing that shit.
orangecrush
(28,081 posts)
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)try to hide their blatant groveling to curry favor with the insurrectionist in the WH.
They do NOT deserve to carry the title of "journalists". All they are is a bunch of clowns who have no idea what REAL JOURNALISM IS.
No doubt the Walter Cronkites, Edward R. Murrow, etc. are rolling in their graves with the state of "journalism" in the country today.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Mtnmama
(128 posts)We were WAY better off when Biden was president than we are now. Simply no comparison. Trump has cognitive, moral, and psychiatric problems!
Magoo48
(6,687 posts)If there is a next time. At this point in time, the small percentage of liberals and progressives really working hard at creative, direct action is minuscule juxtaposed to our actual numbers. The question remains, will we at some point allow ourselves to be inconvenienced enough to make the unavoidably necessary sacrifices as individuals to save our freedoms?
yorkster
(3,645 posts)affect his ability to govern?
Very bloody little if at all, I believe.
And by Gawd he was good at governance.
I'm worried that all the Biden bashing, from within and without, combined with the DNC
David Hogg scruff is going to further divide the party at a time when we're facing the chaos of the Trump regime and the looming 2026 midterms, speaking of which, can we hold off discussions of prospective 2028 pres. candidates for a few freaking months?
End of rant. I do think Joe Biden has been treated rottenly. ..
Haru
(55 posts)If one would take time to review his performance indicators, he was a great president. Jobs created, Dow jones, inflation, dealing with Covid, etc.
Tommy Carcetti
(44,385 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)a disgrace. Not only did they misrepresent and LIE about an investigation being reopened, but they were complicit in parading every right wing pundit across their outlets perpetuating that lie 24/7.
I don't even waste my time on these whores that try to present themselves as journalists.
If I want news I will get it through Bloomberg, BBC, etc.
These clowns are just entertainment tonight.
kacekwl
(8,851 posts)and the economy the right wing radio clowns were talking about Biden and nothing else.
1WorldHope
(1,829 posts)It makes me sick. The ageism is shameful. He did great things for our country and cleaned up after the ass hat and made us prosper. He didn't fix high cost of living or housing but, how would one man do that in 4 years, especially with Congress blocking everything. Other nations respected us, and trusted Biden.
Now, I don't think there will be much of a future for a while here in the land of the previously free.
All of you who are back stabbing Biden are truly ungracious. Do you think we would have been worse off with Biden? If he had died in office or had to step down then we had Kamala. Now we have a zealous idiot ready to step in.
Quit feeding Putin so he can starve.
Martin Eden
(15,315 posts)THAT is the biggest issue here, regardless of who the Democrats nominated.
An utterly corrupt lying sack of orange shit could NOT have won a major party nomination without a mainstream media that ignored its responsibility as the Fourth Estate to the degree of complicity.
Nor without the system of legalized bribery reinforced by our Supreme Court in the Citizens United case.
Or conservative "Christian" religious leaders who elevated the most amoral POtuS ever to befoul the White House to the status of America's saviour, anointed by God Almighty.
BUT the so-called "liberal media" chooses to focus their energy and "journalistic expertise" on the Party that actually tried to prevent the disaster which has befallen us?
Sure, it was very likely a serious mistake for Joe to run for a 2nd term at the end of which he would have been 86 years old. An open primary putting forth younger more energetic leaders could very well have produced a nominee who inspired more souls to the polls and more forcefully exposed The Felon for what he is -- in a campaign not hastily organized while our incumbent president was pressured to finally withdraw.
But to blame Joe Biden and the Democrats for the criminal fascist thrust upon us by the Republican Party is beyond the pale.
Dave Bowman
(6,535 posts)
ananda
(34,307 posts)They carry Trump's water.
orangecrush
(28,081 posts)kskiska
(27,164 posts)Not what's happening here.
Blue Owl
(58,119 posts)That everybody stops watching, reading, or listening to the M$M and they all wither up and die.
They are the problem, not the solution or the source of actual news.
They are the ministry of propaganda and continue over and over to allow tRump to fail upwards.
FUCK THE M$M.
markodochartaigh
(4,904 posts)to Democratic voters for our circular firing squad. They aren't reporting on any new, important news.
I'm not buying their guns, or clicking on their articles.
speak easy
(12,593 posts)'But whatabout Trump’ is no way to discuss the OP.
I’m not here to bash Biden. All our attention must be focused on Krasnov - not by way of comparison, but on the total abomination of his 'presidency.'
I’ll wait for to dust of history to settle before judging Joe’s last two years.
LittleGirl
(8,939 posts)and will furiously defend him. I also don't believe that 45 won with eloon running the satellite connections at all of the swing states.
It was rigged indeed.
Joinfortmill
(19,908 posts)
chouchou
(2,738 posts)When Donald Corruptrump leaves office, many accolades will be falling from our so-called media.
"While it's true that Donald Trump had a few little missteps, he was always a much loved, likable President"
I'll be puking all over the floor.. 
flvegan
(65,680 posts)
betsuni
(28,643 posts)Hekate
(100,131 posts)… one by one. It is presumed that all governors are interested in running in 2028, so it appears they are all under scrutiny for their many perceived fatal flaws.
What’s interesting to me is (1) how early in the game this is, and (2) how tightly the scrutinizers hold on to their critiques, and (3) how eagerly they jump into other threads (such as one on Gov. B or Gov. C) to repeat how lousy Gov. A is.
By 2027 there won’t be anyone left on the left.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,102 posts)Knocking Dems down, one by one.
Meowmee
(9,212 posts)
pansypoo53219
(22,854 posts)slow doesn't mean stupid.
Jack Valentino
(4,251 posts)to blame for SOMETHING, ANYTHING!!!
And STILL, they won't report extensively on TRUMP's "DECLINE",
which was OBVIOUS WELL BEFORE THE ELECTION!!!!
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(132,350 posts)The thing is I don't think it's going save Trump, but this is a pathetic attempt.
Raine
(31,076 posts)better get used to the hit pieces, plenty will be hitting the airwaves.
Rebl2
(17,334 posts)this to take the attention off trumpy. It’s not working and Biden needs to just be quiet for a while. Obama and gw bush stayed really quiet after they left office for a long while, especially bush.
SocialDemocrat61
(6,662 posts)
ecstatic
(35,003 posts)As trump destroys the country in real time, it's easier for some people to focus on the past instead of how to get trump out now.
Am I upset about how things went down? Of course! I think Biden should have kept his initial promise of one and done, not because he was unfit, but because that's how the public perceived him. And perception is reality when it comes to politics.
However, there's a lot of blame to go around. Why wait until 3 months before to the election to revolt? The revolt should have happened years prior!
And don't even get me started on Mitch McConnell, Senate Republicans, Garland and the Supreme Court. They all should be charged with dereliction of duty because they had an opportunity to neutralize a domestic terrorist who tried to overthrow our government and refused. Mitch refused twice!
But we're here now and this could go two ways: We can continue on the blame-game path and lose our country or we can pivot and focus on stopping the madness. My gut tells me that if we don't get things back on track, most of us will be gone within the next 3.5 years. We need a full reversal of everything trump has done thus far and a guarantee to everyone who was harmed that this will never happen again (codified in law).
blue-wave
(4,816 posts)Total bullshit.
Jimvanhise
(561 posts)After the 2024 election President Biden did a live interview with Lawrence O'Donnell which was better and more coherent than any interview Donald Trump has ever done in his whole life, much less recently.
tritsofme
(19,766 posts)Had Biden bowed out early enough for a competitive primary, the candidate we produced, even if it was Harris, would have had a much stronger hand going into election day.
mcar
(45,597 posts) Iamscrewed
(486 posts)But common sense no longer exists, or the rule of law. Every Democracy in history has fallen to corruption why should we be any different.
TBF
(35,451 posts)don't give them clicks. Try reading some independent sources.