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The Department of Homeland Security is now seeking to distance itself from comparisons to Nazi Germany after Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) called its Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents a modern-day Gestapo.
It is absolutely sickening to compare ICE law enforcement agents to the Gestapo, Homeland Security said Sunday on its official X account, referencing the police force that apprehended and deported groups of people labeled political enemies in Nazi Germany.
Attacks and demonization of ICE and our partners is wrong, the department said. Our message is clear: DO NOT come to this country illegally. If you do, we will arrest you, deport you and you will never return.
The post also echoed a statistic contained in last weeks statement from DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin, who said attacks and smears against ICE have led to a 413% increase in assaults, although she did not provide more details.
Video of ICE operations around the country has sounded alarm bells among immigration and democracy advocates as agents with face coverings are seen wrangling people into their custody. President Donald Trump and his supporters say that they are targeting gang members and violent criminals, although in many cases, the administration is seeking to deport people without allowing them a chance to prove they are not who the administration says they are.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stop-comparing-ice-to-the-gestapo-homeland-security-says_n_682b2df4e4b02ef0f55d5854
Apparently the comparison makes Frau General Kristi and her henchmen uncomfortable. Good. Keep it up!
dalton99a
(91,848 posts)They are Trump's Gestapo
Rebl2
(17,334 posts)kidnapping to me.
MarineCombatEngineer
(17,552 posts)that's exactly what it is.
SomedayKindaLove
(1,174 posts)This is human trafficking.
MarineCombatEngineer
(17,552 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(17,552 posts)under Been A Dick Donald, they've become Gestapo 2.0 with much more technology available to violate rights.
groundloop
(13,554 posts)who were pardoned by tRump?
RVN VET71
(3,117 posts)The only reason to wear a mask is to avoid identification. The only reason persons on "official" government business would disguise themselves is that they fear repercussions from the public if their affiliations with fascist street violence and the insurrection were known.
So, yes, they are either Baby Boys or January 6th traitors. Maybe not all of them. I'm sure their boss, the dog killer, would want to protect the actual thugs and fascist traitors by requiring everyone to mask up.
Jack Valentino
(4,251 posts)If they wear masks, don't present ID or a warrant---
I would support those who are assaulted that way
in exercising their rights to self-defense under the much-touted 2nd Amendment
EarlG
(23,271 posts)The extremist Republican congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene triggered a wave of viral jokes on Wednesday after ranting about the gazpacho police patrolling the Capitol building in Washington DC.
Greene was apparently mixing up the famously cold Spanish soup gazpacho with the Gestapo the brutal Nazi-era secret police in Germany.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/09/marjorie-taylor-greene-gazpacho-police
MarineCombatEngineer
(17,552 posts)after all, she is an idiot.
erronis
(22,487 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)Cojones raw will do it.
enigmania
(395 posts)The Madcap
(1,693 posts)"Never return." That can have many meanings. The question is whether they will eventually take things to that obvious parallel with Nazi Germany.
erronis
(22,487 posts)Basso8vb
(1,230 posts)lastlib
(27,420 posts)(There---finished it for ya.)
wcmagumba
(5,533 posts)Sieg Heil, right in the Fuhrer's face.....
LW1977
(1,611 posts)atreides1
(16,799 posts)The Gestapo followed the law and obeyed the courts, while following orders!
ICE just follows orders, which makes them worse then the Gestapo!!!
MarineCombatEngineer
(17,552 posts)didn't the Nazi's on trial try that same defense?
How well did that work out for them?
orangecrush
(28,083 posts)meow2u3
(25,238 posts)sakabatou
(45,707 posts)Progressive dog
(7,566 posts)not some psychopathic grifter. Until ICE officers begin to act like patriots and defend the law from Trump, I'll call them gestapo.
hildegaard28
(792 posts)To the Gestapo or what? They'll come to your house without a warrant, bust down your door, steal all your stuff, and arrest and hold you without due process, like the Gestapo?
lastlib
(27,420 posts)call them "Stasi," or "KGB" or.....
allegorical oracle
(6,138 posts)about it. ICE Barbie is scrambling because she's inept.
DHS needs to come clean and admit that it keeps changing the playbook. One day, it's "the worst of the worst" being hunted. Then it's any immigrant, legal or not. Or it's a child with cancer, or the Mayor of Newark, NJ.
Truth is, DHS doesn't know anything except threatening, whining, and racking up numbers of human beings that will please djt and Herr Miller.
orangecrush
(28,083 posts)Gestapo Barbie?
MineralMan
(150,525 posts)Have them not act like the Gestapo.
JustAnotherGen
(37,476 posts)Comparing the Stasi AND the Gestapo to ICE.
patphil
(8,670 posts)But not sick enough to make them clean up their act.
What they're doing is immoral, un-Christian, and un-American.
If they don't want ICE to be compared to the Gestapo, then they should stop acting like the Gestapo.
All this rush-rush hurry up and deport these people without a chance to defend themselves makes it obvious that Homeland Security knows what they're doing is wrong, but they don't want to have to defend their actions in court.
Gary 50
(477 posts)zorbasd
(511 posts)to propagate the truth as the right does with lies...sad.
Ping Tung
(4,121 posts)multigraincracker
(36,844 posts)lastlib
(27,420 posts)If ya don't wanna be CALLED Gestapo---don't Gestapo. Simple.
BTW, how is your dog? Did it ever recover from you KILLING it??
Turbineguy
(39,796 posts)Gee, I wonder where people got that idea?
quakerboy
(14,699 posts)Once they let themselves (apparently eagerly) be used to harass US citizens participating in political protests, they became illegitimate. They next responsible person in power after that should have disbanded or at least gutted and completely reformed the organization. Not doing so was a huge failure that will cost our nation deeply.
MichMan
(16,533 posts)usonian
(23,297 posts)At Pleasant Valley Farms in Berkshire, Vermont.
Jesus Mendez Hernandez (25 years old) among detainees.
Blues Heron
(8,255 posts)As in bye bye sick Nazi fucks!
Initech
(107,245 posts)And the only reason immigrants are an issue is to distract you from the people who are really stealing your money, your jobs, and your livelihood - Wall St billionaires.
BonnieJW
(3,077 posts)The billionaire techies
Ocelot II
(128,839 posts)sinkingfeeling
(57,064 posts)Picaro
(2,322 posts)Savak (the Shahs secret police)? DAS (the secret police in Colombia)? FSB (Russian secret police)?
But I think we should keep using gestapo. Everyone knows that one. And its obviously getting a reaction.
What all secret police have in common is that they do not exist in democracies. DAS, Savak, and the Nazi Gestapo no longer exist. The FSB well, they still exist. Because Russia is anything but a democracy.
ICE have very quickly mutated into a secret police. When this is over and it will be overICE should be disbanded and defunded. The enthusiastic participants in these extrajudicial kidnappings should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Attilatheblond
(8,145 posts)and the courts need to hold her accountable, swiftly and with extreme prejudice. You know, like the prejudice she shows others who don't look like most of the people in the Dakotas.
enigmania
(395 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Moostache
(10,958 posts)Take THAT to the bank. You will stand tall before the man and if you are guilty, you WILL be punished accordingly.
That is guaranteed to happen.
None of the death camp guards thought that they would be prosecuted either. That may be a more apt comparison than the Gestapo or the SS in my eyes. Doing things - like hiding your face and wearing masks to execute your orders - that make you clearly appear to be guilty of nefarious actions does not SCREAM "HEY, we're just innocents doing a job here"...
I.C.E. agents that are guilty of crimes must answer for them before rebuilding of trust can happen...
Warpy
(114,363 posts)and when they ran out of those, they settled on Jews, no matter how remote the ancestry or how long they'd lived in the area.
If my dad's family had stayed in Alsace, I wouldn't be here. My grandfather got a few people out, but I think the ones left behind never left his mind.
So pardon me, DHS flunkies, if I see some really strong parallels between German police out of control in the 1930s and ICVE right now. Both countries had due process mechanisms in place. Bothe the Gestapo and ICE are ignoring them.
So, DHS spokesmodel, go to hell and take your bosses with you. We've seen this movie before and we already know how it turns out.
Cirsium
(3,301 posts)Stop comparing ICE to the Gestapo, or else what? You will come after us? That is what it seems like to me what with all of the threats against critics coming from the people in the administration.
Attilatheblond
(8,145 posts)with her own torturous Reality Game Show where she can wear costumes and play Roman Emperor to do thumbs up or down as to which combatants get to live a safer life in the US.
appleannie1
(5,405 posts)kimbutgar
(26,685 posts)Gestapo. And those ICE agents are they pardoned January 6th terrorists? They dont look official to me.
And I believe with what I see with my own eyes.
Grokenstein
(6,241 posts)maspaha
(702 posts)just sayin
ImNotGod
(1,194 posts)OLDMDDEM
(3,014 posts)The Roux Comes First
(2,123 posts)All of a sudden they can spell "gestapo"!
C_U_L8R
(48,794 posts)With this juvenile fear/propoganda tactic, it seems these Keystone Cops indeed want to be compared to the Gestapo.
dlk
(13,097 posts)n/t
bromeando
(157 posts)If it walks like a duck....
NBachers
(19,132 posts)unblock
(55,859 posts)"I'll have some of that gazpacho!" Said mtg....
ananda
(34,308 posts)ShazzieB
(22,148 posts)P.S. GO TO HELL!
Alliepoo
(2,762 posts)Abolish ice.
aggiesal
(10,518 posts)Right now, the word fits like a glove.
Eugene
(66,734 posts)Homeland Security is trying to go full secret police. The courts are the only thing stopping them.
The Wizard
(13,559 posts)ICE, formerly the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, constitute Trump's private army. When will our schools make "Mein Kampf" mandatory reading?
madinmaryland
(65,651 posts)bpj62
(1,062 posts)My brother is a gm for a restaurant group in the DC area and last week during the lunch rush hour he received a visit from ICE wo demanded to speak to all the employees as well as requesting a records search. My brother asked them to produce a warrant for both the records search and the request to interview the employees. The agent said they didn't have one but that it wasn't necessary. My brother politely declined thier request and denied them access to the restaurant. The agents left and they haven't come back.
ICE is currently acting like theGestapo and they should continue to be called out for thier actions.
LudwigPastorius
(14,049 posts)Theres a huge difference!
The Gestapo didnt cover their faces.
area51
(12,552 posts)Dept of Fatherland Security.
bluestarone
(21,066 posts)Brought in before a JUDGE!!
CanonRay
(15,913 posts)Johnny2X2X
(23,670 posts)Soon, they'll have the power to round up and send to a foreing prison, anyone the administration deems an enemy of the state. Citizen or immigrant status doesn't matter.
Ferrets are Cool
(22,504 posts)Oh yeah, well FUCK YOU!!! GESTAPO!!!
get the red out
(13,943 posts)Nazi wailing and gnashing of teeth over hurt fee-fees.
Skittles
(169,244 posts)than they are by actually BEHAVING like the gestapo
SheltieLover
(76,139 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(18,977 posts)refer to to Nazi Fucks by calling then "Nazi Fucks".
Jack Valentino
(4,251 posts)at least until he is likewise crucified! (literally, not figuratively)
Iggo
(49,585 posts)Also Ben Grimm: Its clobberin time!
FirefighterJo
(442 posts)That was one dedicated dangerously mad bitch dedicated to the Führer (Which means guide btw.) ... But she is right, ICE & Co is still in the brown shirt phase me thinks. Once going full Gestapo (Geheimisse Stats Polizei) things will get way worse. "Gott mit uns" as was described on their belt buckles.
MurrayDelph
(5,707 posts)The German Gestapo were better dressers.
pansypoo53219
(22,854 posts)DBoon
(24,661 posts)Will they kick in our front door in the middle of the night, take us to a hidden prison, and have us "disappear"?
RainCaster
(13,367 posts)Get used to it, you earned that name.
Aussie105
(7,540 posts)Can't deny what is happening out in the open.
Repressing the media, controlling the legal system, putting insecurity in the hearts of people, telling people they aren't seeing what their lying eyes see . . . yeah, no, not new tactics.
History is full of methods by which dictatorships do what they do and get away with.
I guess Novichok and defenestration are up next in the dictator's playbook?
Volaris
(11,356 posts)Maybe quit acting like the gestapo, and people will stop calling you out for it.
Otherwise, Mr. Wick will see you now
After watching her grandstanding ass in front of the senate last week, she's the FIRST ONE I want put under oath and cross examined. I normally don't speak this way, but fuck that self-important, hateful b***h.
GoCubsGo
(34,636 posts)And, as long as she keeps playing the part, I'm not going to stop calling the person running the show "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS," either.
maxrandb
(17,131 posts)70% of Americans under 40 have no idea what the Gestapo was, but they know Stormtroopers.
Bettie
(19,219 posts)acting the like the gestapo?
No? Then, why should we not call them that again?
Bettie
(19,219 posts)acting the like the gestapo?
No? Then, why should we not call them that again?
surfered
(11,107 posts)HarryM
(444 posts)Donny's Mafia. They use the same lawless tactics as the Mafia. To call them Gestapo is giving them more credit than they deserve. The Mafia have been known to take people in unmarked cars and cart them off to someplace to be killed. Perhaps this does not go that far, but it goes close to that. Gestapo were an official part of the government, there "legally." Donny's Mafia is not obeying the law, and doing it with gusto.
wiggs
(8,654 posts)making connections between German history and present US behavior in an alarming and urgent manner. Discussions with Berliners, gallery exhibits about general injustice, omni-present grafitti messages, brilliant museum experiences re 30s/40s Germany and older Europe, and tour info made it clear that humans have a long history of sad/brutal injustice....and Berliners are aware of it much more than we are.
We felt, more than ever, that comparisons with authoritarian playbooks including those of 1900s Germany -- while chilling and previously inconceivable -- shouldn't be avoided. the US needs to wake up.
Brainfodder
(7,781 posts)STOP or be judged fairly?
Siwsan
(27,801 posts)I call them as I see them.
Javaman
(65,054 posts)yeah, no, gestapo is gestapo is gestapo.
Clouds Passing
(6,842 posts)markbark
(1,622 posts)Apparently Gruppenführer Noem takes exception to certain comparisons.
If it walks, swims and quacks like a duck, can we at least consider the possibility that we have a member of the family Anatidae on our hands?
LetMyPeopleVote
(174,319 posts)
LetMyPeopleVote
(174,319 posts)
Initech
(107,245 posts)And his minions are fucking Nazis! Get fucked, MAGA!