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Nevilledog

(54,714 posts)
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 10:25 AM Aug 2025

The wreckage Merrick Garland leaves behind

https://www.publicnotice.co/p/merrick-garland-failures-explained

It has often been said that Donald Trump was running for president to keep himself out of prison. Mission accomplished.

But the fact that Trump wasn’t behind bars long ago, that he didn’t suffer any consequences for his criming and now likely never will, can be laid squarely at the feet of one man: Attorney General Merrick Garland. Garland dragged his feet on prosecuting Trump for election interference and pilfering classified documents, making it easy for him to run out the clock.

Coming in on the heels of a literal insurrection, Garland was a bad fit for his job from the jump. He made clear early on that he didn’t see addressing issues from the Trump era as a priority, declaring that he would not look backward. Garland is an institutionalist, leading him to see his real job as protecting the Department of Justice rather than imposing any consequences on Bill Barr and others who turned the DOJ into a corrupt playground.

Someone who saw the abstract notion of an institution as more important than actual people and actual wrongdoing was never going to be the person who aggressively pursued an ex-president whose crimes were always in full view, which was what the country desperately needed back in 2021.

Bringing a knife to a gunfight

Rather than moving quickly to prosecute people — including Trump — for January 6, Garland’s first moves were to take actions that actually favored Trump, all in the name of protecting the institution.

In May 2021, the DOJ went to court to block the release of most of a Bill Barr memo that might have revealed how hard Barr worked to avoid charging Trump with obstruction of justice after the Mueller report. There, Garland was continuing work that had begun under Trump. But while it made sense that Barr would want to block the release of information revealing his role in helping Trump, it made no sense for Garland to want the same. The country had both a right and a need to learn everything possible about what happened during the first Trump presidency and led to a spasm of treasonous violence. That’s far more important than getting a generally favorable ruling on the DOJ’s right to sit on memos.

*snip*

Yes, I know this is from 2024. I was reminded of it today in light of the Bolton raid.
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The wreckage Merrick Garland leaves behind (Original Post) Nevilledog Aug 2025 OP
Biden's worst decision by far BeyondGeography Aug 2025 #1
Yep. kentuck Aug 2025 #2
It didn't need to become "hindsight", many of us saw it, many of us talked about our dislike for Garland, Escurumbele Aug 2025 #63
Hindsight? Cirsium Aug 2025 #73
Indeed Katnip. Aug 2025 #96
I do not disagree. kentuck Aug 2025 #116
Understood Cirsium Aug 2025 #117
A giant historic mistake that should have been corrected. dalton99a Aug 2025 #13
I am not arguing, but I think it goes back to Obama in a way. hamsterjill Aug 2025 #39
They tried to make friends with Republicans by appointing one of them Ligyron Aug 2025 #46
But we know that Judge Garland would have just been another Alito LiberalArkie Aug 2025 #62
If not Biden MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2025 #67
Obama was only going to appoint him because he was "Republicon-approved" FoxNewsSucks Aug 2025 #90
The position of Attorney General, in a country that's just had an attempted coup, should never be viewed as a Crunchy Frog Aug 2025 #98
Look forward, not backwards displacedvermoter Aug 2025 #106
His second choice was Doug Jones MadameButterfly Aug 2025 #43
We let the White Supremacists get up off the mat LuvLoogie Aug 2025 #50
Hell, they are why we have the fucking Electoral College in the first place! Jilly_in_VA Aug 2025 #58
The confederates should have been treated prodigitalson Aug 2025 #94
Preet Bharara would have been exceptional as well Polybius Aug 2025 #118
Yes, he would have gotten the job done too MadameButterfly Aug 2025 #122
Yeah jfz9580m Sep 2025 #125
AARRGLE BARRGLE!!! Fiendish Thingy Aug 2025 #3
John Roberts helped MadameButterfly Aug 2025 #45
I still have to call out J-9 Aug 2025 #85
If Gordon Lightfoot were alive, there'd be The Wreck of the Merrick Garland. TheBlackAdder Aug 2025 #112
Pick your preferred AG Fiendish Thingy Aug 2025 #115
A weak man with no imagination. NewHendoLib Aug 2025 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Aug 2025 #8
Like who? MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2025 #66
haven't seen the Garland cult in a while Skittles Aug 2025 #81
Post removed Post removed Aug 2025 #82
Sadly, not all. Nt iemanja Aug 2025 #121
Garland was an overrated bum. dalton99a Aug 2025 #10
AND, in my opinion popsdenver Aug 2025 #35
Every time I hear about a "moderate" Republican with a very good reputation MadameButterfly Aug 2025 #48
He's home right now, admiring his clean hands. BeyondGeography Aug 2025 #16
Probably going out regularly Bettie Aug 2025 #21
I think both Garland and Biden knew prosecution of trump would be a chitshow. We never should have relied on courts Silent Type Aug 2025 #5
The stolen documents was a no brainer gab13by13 Aug 2025 #11
Agree. Unfortuantely, it lost steam the minute they found documents in Biden's basement. There were a million Silent Type Aug 2025 #22
The convicted pedofelon abUSED the Seal of the President of the United States Justice matters. Aug 2025 #32
The Biden docs may have swayed public opinion but are not the reason MadameButterfly Aug 2025 #49
Think it would have hurt case UNLESS evidence was introduced of trump distributing, selling, etc., the documents. Silent Type Aug 2025 #55
a few docs in Biden's garage would not have even entered MadameButterfly Aug 2025 #56
I doubt everyone on a jury would see it like you or me. Plus, with not proof of misuse other than having records, he Silent Type Aug 2025 #60
Wasn't that case MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2025 #68
In what way were you thinking of "taking out" Trump, then? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2025 #18
The 'courtly' way, going on context alone EYESORE 9001 Aug 2025 #19
Beating him on policies, at debates, matching him rally for rally, etc. Instead, we forgot the basics. Does that help? Silent Type Aug 2025 #20
I thought it looked like people were trying that too muriel_volestrangler Aug 2025 #23
I know Biden didn't have stamina, he and staff should have known too. trump's crimes, rapes, ignorance, racism was on Silent Type Aug 2025 #25
No, Hornedfrog2000 Aug 2025 #26
Believe if you give people somthing to vote for - rather than trying to convince them to vote against - they will come. Silent Type Aug 2025 #31
Sure worked w the baggers... Ligyron Aug 2025 #59
I can make a case that the Federalist Society gab13by13 Aug 2025 #6
Careful, you'll be accused of not being part of the realty based community BannonsLiver Aug 2025 #7
Biden should have declared an emergency and sent the chief insurrectionist to Guantanamo dalton99a Aug 2025 #9
I was thinking the same thing back then. Haggard Celine Aug 2025 #64
with a crystalizing and near perfect example of what a truly partisan ( and corrupted? ) DOJ looks like stopdiggin Aug 2025 #12
So because Pam Bondi is a Nazi Garland was an effective AG? BannonsLiver Aug 2025 #15
It's just that the Merrick Garland boogie-man thing is so ..... tired .. stopdiggin Aug 2025 #17
Garland is not a boogie-man Autumn Aug 2025 #29
I wouldn't call him a "boogie man". BannonsLiver Aug 2025 #52
Merrick Garland has much to answer for but he is not the only one culpable biophile Aug 2025 #14
We know the Republicans are guilty MadameButterfly Aug 2025 #53
You are absolutely right; Dems tend to self sabotage 😑 biophile Aug 2025 #83
He should be heckled nonstop Hornedfrog2000 Aug 2025 #24
For what purpose? MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2025 #70
Enough ... we are all facing real danger of a dictatorship Greywing Aug 2025 #27
but you do not understand how hard it is to deal out punishments and hold such awesome power ImNotGod Aug 2025 #28
Oh damn, the Garland cheer leaders are going to be upset. republianmushroom Aug 2025 #30
Good iemanja Aug 2025 #89
Oh, no. Now they're insisting that it's time to move on and only bad Democrats would talk about this. Scrivener7 Aug 2025 #104
I'd like to know who Newsom will appoint as AG to deal with the crimes Trump and his henchmen are now committing. sop Aug 2025 #33
If he can't get the person he wants because he can't get a super majority gab13by13 Aug 2025 #102
Supermajorties are not needed to confirm Cabinet picks. Celerity Aug 2025 #111
You don't need a super-majority Polybius Aug 2025 #119
Justice delayed became justice denied Martin Eden Aug 2025 #34
I remember Biden's short list for AG was ... Jeebo Aug 2025 #36
Who appointed Garland? Who kept him on for the full four years? DickKessler Aug 2025 #37
Imagine if Glenn Kirschner was named AG instead of Garland........ AZ8theist Aug 2025 #38
Garland was EXACTLY what the country didn't need. NoMoreRepugs Aug 2025 #40
Looking backwards is really stupid Nigrum Cattus Aug 2025 #41
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it Emile Aug 2025 #42
You're right! MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2025 #65
Maybe not Merrick Garland, but someone just Emile Aug 2025 #77
Many of us were calling out Garland's uselessness in real time Orrex Aug 2025 #61
+1. Delay is how Trump wins. dalton99a Aug 2025 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Aug 2025 #71
Really? Cirsium Aug 2025 #74
"Ignore history. Don't learn from mistakes." writerJT Aug 2025 #76
Strongly disagree. nt Celerity Aug 2025 #110
Garland isn't the only reason our country is in this horrific mess democrank Aug 2025 #44
Merrick Grland neds to pay a very steep price for his treachery to the country. lark Aug 2025 #47
Even institutionalists can be effective BaronChocula Aug 2025 #51
We can work to take care of the important business before us... Escape Aug 2025 #54
+1. The word bipartisan should be stricken from every Democrat's dictionary dalton99a Aug 2025 #72
MG screwed the country intentionally, it's pretty obvious that he had never any intent to prosecute Dump. Clouds Passing Aug 2025 #57
i completely agree with this samsingh Aug 2025 #69
At no point... Blue Owl Aug 2025 #75
MGDS Oopsie Daisy Aug 2025 #79
"Bringing a knife to a gunfight" debsy Aug 2025 #80
I will never forgive I_UndergroundPanther Aug 2025 #84
Made the mistake the so many made in 2016 D_Master81 Aug 2025 #86
Totally agree kkmarie Aug 2025 #95
Yeah, and... OldBaldy1701E Aug 2025 #105
Oddly, I'm going to give Garland a wee bit of a pass. Pacifist Patriot Aug 2025 #87
Exactly iemanja Aug 2025 #88
Too Many Missteps and Too Much Corruption Aepps22 Aug 2025 #91
He had ONE JOB .... and he fucked it up royally (or loyally?) live love laugh Aug 2025 #92
The man who gave Trump a two year head start. prodigitalson Aug 2025 #93
And yet, look at how tooth-spittin' mad we were Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #97
It wasn't the nominee we were mad about. We were pissed Emile Aug 2025 #99
Uh-huh... Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #101
Told you so Snoopy 7 Aug 2025 #100
Since Garland didn't have the stomach, guts or boldness needed to prosecute the Felon Janbdwl72 Aug 2025 #103
Looks like most of the Garland defenders have seen the light. nt doc03 Aug 2025 #107
I doubt it. Many just are not posting in this thread. Celerity Aug 2025 #113
A lifetime of crime-ing by a rich man with impunity lostnfound Aug 2025 #108
Wow! So many bashing Biden and Obama. Joinfortmill Aug 2025 #109
And fellow DUers with differing opinions MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2025 #120
DURec leftstreet Aug 2025 #114
Every time I see this thread title MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2025 #123
Wait 'til Dems next turn in the WH... when they choose to move on rather than prosecute like with W/Cheney/Trump AStern Aug 2025 #124

Escurumbele

(4,028 posts)
63. It didn't need to become "hindsight", many of us saw it, many of us talked about our dislike for Garland,
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 01:38 PM
Aug 2025

many talked about what was going to happen because of Garland not doing anything that it would allow trump to run the clock, many saw what was happening, but those of us who did were criticized for doing so.

IT IS Biden's worst decision to not fire the guy and get someone who would prosecute immediately.

I understand when a president nominates someone who clearly showed to be a loyal member of an opposing political party, and if that opposing party were the Democratic party, I don't think I, as president, would be worried, but when you get fanatical republicans, and all of them seem to fall in that category, then one has to worry. We have seen the result of keeping Garland in office, all the wasted work by sending the thugs to jail to then have trump pardon them all.

The situation is beyond frustrating, I am glad to see some Democrats begin fighting hard, but it has to be harder, laws must be discovered (I am sure there are some 'rarely used laws' out there) to stop this madness, seek them out.

Article 25th should be in everyone's mind, there is plenty of proof out there.

Cirsium

(3,421 posts)
73. Hindsight?
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 02:38 PM
Aug 2025

Foresight would have been more than sufficient.

By 2020 how could anyone have failed to recognize the dire threat posed by Trump?

Katnip.

(30 posts)
96. Indeed
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 03:25 AM
Aug 2025

Foresight would have also been beneficial on every single occasion a Democrat brought an olive branch to a gun fight.

hamsterjill

(17,101 posts)
39. I am not arguing, but I think it goes back to Obama in a way.
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 12:20 PM
Aug 2025

It was Garland that Obama was going to appoint to the Supreme Court and we know how THAT went down. I think Joe was trying to give Garland a consolation prize.

In my opinion, while Garland might have made a good Supreme Court Justice, he did not have the strength to be a good Attorney General. And yes, that should have been corrected as that fact became more clear.

Ligyron

(8,004 posts)
46. They tried to make friends with Republicans by appointing one of them
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 12:44 PM
Aug 2025

The pukes don’t care, they hate Dems and see that as kissing ass.

LiberalArkie

(19,346 posts)
62. But we know that Judge Garland would have just been another Alito
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 01:26 PM
Aug 2025

We should be questioning as to who recommended Garland for either position and LEARN from that mistake

FoxNewsSucks

(11,504 posts)
90. Obama was only going to appoint him because he was "Republicon-approved"
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 10:12 PM
Aug 2025

according to Mike Lee (R and Asshole-UT)

That's not good enough reason to make him AG years later.

Crunchy Frog

(28,214 posts)
98. The position of Attorney General, in a country that's just had an attempted coup, should never be viewed as a
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 04:18 AM
Aug 2025

consolation prize. If that's really how Biden was thinking of this, then that is supremely out of touch.

displacedvermoter

(4,162 posts)
106. Look forward, not backwards
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 08:30 AM
Aug 2025

Barack Obama, January 2009, on the prospect of investigating and protecting Bush 2 war crimes and corruption.

He failed us miserably, let GOP off hook, saddled is with what we now face.

Should Obama end up in criminal docks, he is in large part to blame.

MadameButterfly

(3,789 posts)
43. His second choice was Doug Jones
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 12:42 PM
Aug 2025

who bankrupted the KKK. Biden, whose career spanned the era of Dems and Republicans working together, was still trying to reach across the aisle. Republicans would have been incensed over Doug Jones. But there was no thanks over Garland.

While we had a chance to do something, we were appeasing Republicans.

LuvLoogie

(8,549 posts)
50. We let the White Supremacists get up off the mat
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 12:50 PM
Aug 2025

after the Civil War. Now they are trying to finish off anybody who isn't them.

Jilly_in_VA

(13,869 posts)
58. Hell, they are why we have the fucking Electoral College in the first place!
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 01:10 PM
Aug 2025

It was a sop to the slave states. Nothing more. Now we apparently can't get rid of it.

Polybius

(21,540 posts)
118. Preet Bharara would have been exceptional as well
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 01:02 PM
Aug 2025

But I do love the thought of Doug Jones as AG...

jfz9580m

(16,624 posts)
125. Yeah
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 03:25 AM
Sep 2025

Lina Khan was Biden’s best appointee and Garland the worst it looks like.
There is still time to save democracy but not by yet again ignoring past errors this serious.

I am not sure whether to post that or not. But having seen garbage as safety (absent real safety), I am posting it.

Democracy is facing a death by a thousand cuts and has been for at least the last 15 years with the rise of the corrupt technocracy making the problems of flawed societies far worse.

There is no point in E M Forster’s machine of second hand ideas and second hand experiences etc endlessly exploited.

Fiendish Thingy

(22,181 posts)
3. AARRGLE BARRGLE!!!
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 10:35 AM
Aug 2025

An almost fact-free opinion piece that continues the misidentification of the true villain of this story.

But the fact that Trump wasn’t behind bars long ago, that he didn’t suffer any consequences for his criming and now likely never will, can be laid squarely at the feet of one man:


And that man’s name is John Roberts

Pick your preferred AG, and the end result would have been exactly the same- no Trump trial before the election.

MadameButterfly

(3,789 posts)
45. John Roberts helped
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 12:43 PM
Aug 2025

But he was appointed by a Republican and they probably got what they were looking for

J-9

(117 posts)
85. I still have to call out
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 08:31 PM
Aug 2025

Mitch McConnell. If the senate did the right thing, at the very least the 🍊🫏🤡 wouldn't have been able to run for prez.

Fiendish Thingy

(22,181 posts)
115. Pick your preferred AG
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 10:39 AM
Aug 2025

The results would have been exactly the same- no Trump trial before the election.

Scapegoating Garland is the easy way out.

Response to NewHendoLib (Reply #4)

Response to Skittles (Reply #81)

MadameButterfly

(3,789 posts)
48. Every time I hear about a "moderate" Republican with a very good reputation
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 12:46 PM
Aug 2025

I think no good will come of it. Even if honest, too cautious to take the action necessary for democracy.

The people with real integrity have stopped being Republicans.

Bettie

(19,324 posts)
21. Probably going out regularly
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 11:23 AM
Aug 2025

to right wing events, to speak to them about how cautious he was....with their guy, with Biden he rushed right in there, in days, not over a year.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
5. I think both Garland and Biden knew prosecution of trump would be a chitshow. We never should have relied on courts
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 10:37 AM
Aug 2025

to take trump out. Unfortunately, most were still depending on courts a few months before collapse at Debate.

gab13by13

(31,351 posts)
11. The stolen documents was a no brainer
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 10:47 AM
Aug 2025

It was a documents prosecution. If Garland hadn’t waited 11 months to send the FBI to Mar-a-Lago the time frame would have been different, maybe we don’t get Aileen Cannon.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
22. Agree. Unfortuantely, it lost steam the minute they found documents in Biden's basement. There were a million
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 11:23 AM
Aug 2025

differences in Biden's documents and trump's, but the optics were a bathroom full of documents vs. photos of a Corvette and dusty documents in the garage. The Judge didn't help, but still . . . . .

Justice matters.

(9,446 posts)
32. The convicted pedofelon abUSED the Seal of the President of the United States
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 11:47 AM
Aug 2025
illegally for years at his shitty golf resorts.

Not.A.Peep.From.The.Then.chief.Of.The.DOJ.About.That.

MadameButterfly

(3,789 posts)
49. The Biden docs may have swayed public opinion but are not the reason
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 12:50 PM
Aug 2025

the case didn't go forward in a timely fashion, nor would that have endangered the case had it gotten to court.
Trump would have been guilty for sure, and possibly the worst spy in the history of the country.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
55. Think it would have hurt case UNLESS evidence was introduced of trump distributing, selling, etc., the documents.
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 12:59 PM
Aug 2025

That has yet to happen, though we all suspect he did something.

MadameButterfly

(3,789 posts)
56. a few docs in Biden's garage would not have even entered
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 01:04 PM
Aug 2025

into the court case regarding Trump's documents. That's not how the courts work. You can't say yeah, I stole that stereo, but look, someone else did it too.

Smith said he knew why Trump took the documents. He was ready to prove it. I don't know what Smith knew. But there is not a scenario that would make what Trump did legal in the eyes of any court.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
60. I doubt everyone on a jury would see it like you or me. Plus, with not proof of misuse other than having records, he
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 01:22 PM
Aug 2025

would have gotten a slap on the wrist if convicted.

Again, folks depended on courts. It didn't work.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,237 posts)
68. Wasn't that case
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 01:56 PM
Aug 2025

shit canned by *rump's pet judge Cannon in exchange for a Supreme Court appointment?

Somehow probably Garland's fault.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
20. Beating him on policies, at debates, matching him rally for rally, etc. Instead, we forgot the basics. Does that help?
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 11:20 AM
Aug 2025

muriel_volestrangler

(105,625 posts)
23. I thought it looked like people were trying that too
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 11:25 AM
Aug 2025

But evidence showing Trump's crimes, presented in court, would have helped that.

In fact, I think the problem wasn't lack of beating him on policies. Debates with him were few and far between, and as you said, the first one with Biden was a disaster. And I think one background problem was that Biden didn't have the physical stamina for endless rallies.

I think the Democrats should have campaigned more on the utter moral unfitness of a rapist, criminal fraud, and attempted coup leader to be president.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
25. I know Biden didn't have stamina, he and staff should have known too. trump's crimes, rapes, ignorance, racism was on
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 11:34 AM
Aug 2025

display 24/7 on the media I watch, he was even shown sitting in a court for days in a rape trial, and worse.

Yet, he beat us. It wasn't because of the media or anything else other than we didn't appeal to enough voters and "I wouldn't change a thing [from Biden]" was not an effective campaign message. [Note: I give VP Harris a lot of credit for working tirelessly in the campaign with a few months notice, it just didn't work.]

 

Hornedfrog2000

(866 posts)
26. No,
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 11:34 AM
Aug 2025

The fact people here dont understand the big problem is this.

Blackmail, being bought and propaganda are the 3 biggest issues we have. No policies, debate, nothing will fix that. Some people here need to go study how putin took power, because that is what we are watching now in the USA.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
31. Believe if you give people somthing to vote for - rather than trying to convince them to vote against - they will come.
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 11:44 AM
Aug 2025

gab13by13

(31,351 posts)
6. I can make a case that the Federalist Society
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 10:41 AM
Aug 2025

Is a terrorist organization.

Merrick Garland monitored 11 Federalist Society events.

When Krasnov fired Comey, rabid Magat Senator Mike Lee told Krasnov to replace him with Garland.

BannonsLiver

(20,299 posts)
7. Careful, you'll be accused of not being part of the realty based community
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 10:41 AM
Aug 2025

Last edited Sat Aug 23, 2025, 11:44 AM - Edit history (1)

Haggard Celine

(17,697 posts)
64. I was thinking the same thing back then.
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 01:43 PM
Aug 2025

Donald Trump is the biggest national security threat this country has ever faced. He deserves Gitmo or worse for the rest of his miserable life.

stopdiggin

(15,070 posts)
12. with a crystalizing and near perfect example of what a truly partisan ( and corrupted? ) DOJ looks like
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 10:51 AM
Aug 2025

in the lovely Pam Bondi ....
As today's whipping boy - I give to you Merrick Garland !

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stopdiggin

(15,070 posts)
17. It's just that the Merrick Garland boogie-man thing is so ..... tired ..
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 11:10 AM
Aug 2025

Not to mention out of focus. But by all means .... Be my guest !

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Autumn

(48,769 posts)
29. Garland is not a boogie-man
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 11:37 AM
Aug 2025

Garland was appointed to a job that he CHOSE not to do. And here we fucking are.

BannonsLiver

(20,299 posts)
52. I wouldn't call him a "boogie man".
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 12:55 PM
Aug 2025

I would call him ineffective, milquetoast, mealy-mouthed, spineless, naive, old-fashioned etc.

Boogie Man makes literally no sense when considering Garland.

biophile

(1,220 posts)
14. Merrick Garland has much to answer for but he is not the only one culpable
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 10:52 AM
Aug 2025

As noted above, John Roberts is guilty of many more egregious offenses to democracy. Not to forget Turtle McConnell who rammed through RW judges after denying Garland his due process in the Senate during Obama’s administration, then gifted us with Amy Boney Carrot at the last minute. Plus feckless Republican Congress members, all of them, who will not stand up to drumpf. Add in any person who voted third party or didn’t vote in protest or whatever they called it at the time. Consider even Democrtic men who just couldn’t stand the thought of a woman leading our armed forces. A media who lays down like a rug for anything heinous the RW does or says but hounds the progressives for any imagined offense
There so much blame to be shared!

MadameButterfly

(3,789 posts)
53. We know the Republicans are guilty
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 12:56 PM
Aug 2025

Last edited Sat Aug 23, 2025, 08:13 AM - Edit history (1)

The problem is we gave them a Democratically appointed AG to help them instead of a fighter to oppose them

Greywing

(1,159 posts)
27. Enough ... we are all facing real danger of a dictatorship
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 11:34 AM
Aug 2025

A blame game does not help the peril we face right now! The focus has to be on how to stop this abomination.

ImNotGod

(1,194 posts)
28. but you do not understand how hard it is to deal out punishments and hold such awesome power
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 11:35 AM
Aug 2025

while hiding under your desk enjoying milk and cookies while watching reruns of Mr Rogers Neighborhood

Scrivener7

(58,466 posts)
104. Oh, no. Now they're insisting that it's time to move on and only bad Democrats would talk about this.
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 07:49 AM
Aug 2025

As we knew they would when they were proven disastrously and conclusively wrong.

sop

(17,583 posts)
33. I'd like to know who Newsom will appoint as AG to deal with the crimes Trump and his henchmen are now committing.
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 11:55 AM
Aug 2025

Holding people accountable and restoring the rule of law will be important issues for voters in 2028.

gab13by13

(31,351 posts)
102. If he can't get the person he wants because he can't get a super majority
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 06:41 AM
Aug 2025

I hope he learned the lesson from Garland to appoint the person he wants as acting AG and when his/her time expires appoint another acting AG who will do the job holding Magats accountable.

Sally Yates then Peter Strzok.

Polybius

(21,540 posts)
119. You don't need a super-majority
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 01:07 PM
Aug 2025

Presidential cabinet picks are confirmed with a simple majority. They can not be filibustered.

Jeebo

(2,553 posts)
36. I remember Biden's short list for AG was ...
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 12:09 PM
Aug 2025

... Merrick Garland and Doug Jones. I wonder what would have happened if Jones had been AG? I like to think the orange con man would have been arrested within days after he left office in January 2021.

— Ron

Nigrum Cattus

(1,242 posts)
41. Looking backwards is really stupid
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 12:39 PM
Aug 2025

We have to deal with now, not yesterday.
As they say hindsight is 20/20

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,237 posts)
65. You're right!
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 01:45 PM
Aug 2025

I bet no one here ever appoints Merrick Garland as Attorney General ever again! Yay!

Orrex

(66,710 posts)
61. Many of us were calling out Garland's uselessness in real time
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 01:26 PM
Aug 2025

And we were scolded by the cheerleaders who rallied to his defense.

It’s not a question of hindsight; it’s recognizing that Garland’s foot-dragging resulted in exactly what we predicted.

Response to Nigrum Cattus (Reply #41)

Cirsium

(3,421 posts)
74. Really?
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 02:55 PM
Aug 2025

That's what we hear about slavery, about the genocide against the Indians, about the war against Mexico, about the police state atrocities in Latin America, about damned near everything.

You are expressing a vicious and destructive right wing theme.

democrank

(12,203 posts)
44. Garland isn't the only reason our country is in this horrific mess
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 12:43 PM
Aug 2025

but he’s one of the most consequential reasons.

lark

(25,910 posts)
47. Merrick Grland neds to pay a very steep price for his treachery to the country.
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 12:44 PM
Aug 2025

Karma, do your thing!

BaronChocula

(4,063 posts)
51. Even institutionalists can be effective
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 12:52 PM
Aug 2025

Garland was just too timid. Garland strikes me as that type of person who bends over backward not to appear too liberal partisan to the point of overcompensation. Even CNN questioned his meager explanation for naming David Weiss special counsel in the Hunter Biden case.

Attorney General Merrick Garland did not provide a robust explanation on Friday for why he needed to give US attorney David Weiss special counsel status for the Hunter Biden probe, or why it was necessary five years after the investigation began.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/11/politics/hunter-biden-weiss-special-counsel-analysis

I know there are some who still defend Garland, but none of them are "insiders," the people actually in high levels of government who actually know what's up. As a matter of fact the insiders are among his biggest critics. That includes President Biden.

And though Garland has been nominated by Democrats, I certainly don't consider him "part of the Democratic fold."

Escape

(380 posts)
54. We can work to take care of the important business before us...
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 12:58 PM
Aug 2025

while remembering the catastrophe of our Merrick Garland past.

If we get a President Newsom, or qualified other, they damn sure better investigate and prosecute EVERY crime being committed by EVERY criminal in the Trump administration. All of them and every Ice fuck, etc. who are currently carrying out their dictator's orders.

We WILL have to build more prisons.




dalton99a

(92,331 posts)
72. +1. The word bipartisan should be stricken from every Democrat's dictionary
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 02:14 PM
Aug 2025

It is naive. It is stupid. And it is suicidal


Clouds Passing

(7,119 posts)
57. MG screwed the country intentionally, it's pretty obvious that he had never any intent to prosecute Dump.
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 01:09 PM
Aug 2025

Why did JB keep him on until the bitter end?

samsingh

(18,252 posts)
69. i completely agree with this
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 02:02 PM
Aug 2025

look how trump has been able to get so many bad things done, and in four years, no major charges stuck to the person citing an insurrgency. Now, disagreeing with the leader get legal trouble.

it's actually very disgusting.

Blue Owl

(58,232 posts)
75. At no point...
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 03:21 PM
Aug 2025

...did I ever get the impression that Merrick Garland had a fervor for defending or standing up for doing the right thing -- he projected the image of a simpering, frightened turtle who would rather hide inside his shell than bravely defend democracy.

He was no patriot -- maybe he followed a few rules and made some weak efforts while doing the absolute minimum, but nothing of any consequence.

D_Master81

(2,344 posts)
86. Made the mistake the so many made in 2016
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 08:42 PM
Aug 2025

Garland, Biden et al made the same mistake that so many made when running against Trump in 2016, thinking that certainly the American people wouldn’t elect him again. I think Biden and Garland really thought that they could avoid the appearance of jailing a former President and possible future candidate because certainly after January 6th, the felonies, the sexual misconduct, the fraud, the stolen documents he couldn’t be elected again. Only one problem, the American people are dumb enough to elect him again.

kkmarie

(337 posts)
95. Totally agree
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 03:19 AM
Aug 2025

My opinion is Garland and Biden could have never pursued Krasnov. The magas would have taken to the streets and it would have been armed protests not our cute sign protests.

The magas didn't care about Krasnov being a convicted rapist, being convicted of fraud, being caught with classified documents. Hell, they saw the footage of Jan6 and believe Krasnov saying they were tourists or it was a day of love.

Magas are cheering the kidnapping, imprisonment and abuse of people of color. They hate non-whites and they hate democrats. They are cheering the military take over of DC and cheering Krasnov's threat to take over more cities.

The magas will do anything to protect their whiteness so they gave power to Krasnov, who promised to make America white again.

It would have been a national disaster, my opinion from personally knowing many maga, they will protect and defend their right to hate and their president.

If only we knew how the 90 million who chose not to vote feel now. Again my opinion, those who did not vote are the reason we are here now. They are more at fault than magas, garland, Biden, media etc.

OldBaldy1701E

(10,290 posts)
105. Yeah, and...
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 07:58 AM
Aug 2025
My opinion is Garland and Biden could have never pursued Krasnov. The magas would have taken to the streets and it would have been armed protests not our cute sign protests.


And, they would have been mowed down just as those traitors who stormed the Capitol in 2021 should have been. The MAGA who would actually get out to do something would have been taken care of just as easily. They were attacking the center of government. They were not there to 'protest', they were there for blood.

I mean, I certainly don't recall hearing chants of "We want change!" and "Fairness in Elections!" from those assembled when I saw the various videos of the event. They wanted to kill Pence and Pelosi on sight.

It would have been a national disaster, my opinion from personally knowing many maga, they will protect and defend their right to hate and their president.


Do you really think that? You think that Meal Team Six is going to actually be a threat to our law enforcement, other than the occasional ambush on police that would inevitably happen? I mean, besides those in law enforcement who have 'drunk the kool-aid' so to speak?



Face it, there is an undercurrent of people in positions of power and privilege that do not want this to stop or change. Otherwise, we would not be here in the first place.

Either justice is blind, or it is not. We don't get to pick and choose when to apply it. In the case of that orange gibbon, justice was NOT served. Why should we continue to want the 'return to the rule of law' when it has failed us so badly?

Pacifist Patriot

(25,197 posts)
87. Oddly, I'm going to give Garland a wee bit of a pass.
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 08:42 PM
Aug 2025

Trump has been committing crimes for decades. Well before he ever ran for a political office.

Our justice system has given the wealthy and powerful a pass for far longer than he's been president.

Do I think Garland could have done better? Hell yes. Do I think it started with him? Not remotely.

Blame is widely shared here.

Aepps22

(367 posts)
91. Too Many Missteps and Too Much Corruption
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 10:28 PM
Aug 2025

Garland was a 🤡 and a joke of an AG. Many of us called it out when he was appointed. What really makes me angry is how the SC and other courts ran cover for Convict at every turn. The NY case was enough to put this to bed but remember all of the nonsense we had to deal with.

1. The open and shut documents case was derailed by Cannon who did everything in her power to delay and make arguments that actual lawyers like myself knew were crap.

2. The Colorado disqualification case was another one where the SC ran cover for him.

3. The Georgia Election case that Fannie screwed up because of the affair and distractions. We lost time because of Fannie’s disqualification nonsense

4. The NY Fraud case was a win but the crap SC delay and kings ruling messed that up.

Garland was a problem but just the examples I gave show that an AG could’ve pressed things harder but the SC and the courts were going to run cover for this guy.

 

Oeditpus Rex

(43,094 posts)
97. And yet, look at how tooth-spittin' mad we were
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 04:14 AM
Aug 2025

when McConnell blocked his confirmation hearings to the Supreme Court.

Guess we were wrong.

Emile

(40,791 posts)
99. It wasn't the nominee we were mad about. We were pissed
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 06:00 AM
Aug 2025

about the blockade when Mitch wouldn't allow a vote.

Snoopy 7

(720 posts)
100. Told you so
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 06:17 AM
Aug 2025

When garland was announce as the person who would look into trumps misdoing, I told everyone that he wasn't who everyone thought he was because Obama nomininated him as his choice for the (un)supreme court. I told you he only nominated him because he was trying to apease the republicans because they wouldn't pass any of his Democratic choices. And, even then they didn't pass garland because they refused to give Obama any wins. When garland was given the job to find fault of anything on trump he just drug his feet because he knew his time line and if he didn't do anything trump would walk. WOW that's what happened in 2023. Why did garland appoint smith to investigate when he had since 2021 to investigate, again drag those feet...

Janbdwl72

(248 posts)
103. Since Garland didn't have the stomach, guts or boldness needed to prosecute the Felon
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 07:28 AM
Aug 2025

It's too bad he couldn't have just appointed Jack Smith much earlier than he did. Like within the first few months or even first few weeks after the Biden Administration took office.

lostnfound

(17,420 posts)
108. A lifetime of crime-ing by a rich man with impunity
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 09:09 AM
Aug 2025

A con-man so corrupt and harmful to so many people was given a pass. Every New York politician or prosecutor, people directing the IRS, judges who gave him a slap on the wrist because he was rich, bankers who loaned him money in spite of criminal connections and faked property values?

The whole system is rotten. Blame decades of a two-tiered justice system.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,237 posts)
123. Every time I see this thread title
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 01:42 PM
Aug 2025

I get "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald," stuck in my head.

AStern

(708 posts)
124. Wait 'til Dems next turn in the WH... when they choose to move on rather than prosecute like with W/Cheney/Trump
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 02:02 PM
Aug 2025

because "going high" works out so well.

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