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[leftstreet]

1. It's too clever for us to understand

If the Democratic legislators trust Trump, we should too

[leftstreet]

7. It's actually pretty easy

Schumer is basically throwing himself and abt 24 million ACA people under the bus

Schumer will get the blame as a caving, gutless, bad leader, but he's no stranger to that. A whole bunch of "progressive" members will make headlines assuring us he needs to be replaced.

The Democrats believe they'll gain an advantage electorally when the GOP refuses to make good on the ACA Subsidy Pinkie Promise

[Bluetus]

9. In other words, the usual Beltway kabuki theater

And then they all slap each other on the back and say "Anybody for a good drink? I'm buying."

[SocialDemocrat61]

13. Schumer said he's voting no

So I don’t think it’s fair to say he’s caving. This is the responsibility of 10 senators who went rouge.

[leftstreet]

18. He'll still be blamed

A leader who can't "lead" his people

[SocialDemocrat61]

24. Fair point

But the 10 who went Rouge should be held chiefly responsible.

[choie]

28. In other words.

They are bloody cowardly, self-serving hypocrites.

[Trueblue1968]

38. I believe Schumer is too blame.

[TheRealNorth]

33. Its 10-dimensional Chess......

Our leaders are too smart to explain it to peasants like us in a way that we could comprehend.

[Irish_Dem]

2. Dems had a clear mandate to fight and fight hard.

[JCMach1]

3. Schumer was always looking to 'compromise' not to fight

[orangecrush]

12. Bend over not compromise

[BootinUp]

5. Remember when Biden was forced out? nt

[Alpeduez21]

17. Remember when he said he was going to be a one term president?

Remember when he slept walked thought the debate?
Remember when he didn't want universal healthcare?
Remember when he didn't fight for school loan forgiveness?
Forced out my ass. EVERY FUCKING POLE SHOWED HIM LOSING TO TRUMP WORSE THAN KAMELA. Remember that?

[BootinUp]

53. The big money donors forced him out yes. I guess you don't read much real news. As to your

irrelevant rant I couldn't care less if you don't understand the politics. I got my own concerns.

[Baitball Blogger]

6. They're being led by old school thinking

Like Merrit Garland’s way of thinking,

[BlueKota]

49. AOC

said after Mandami win, that the old guard needs to step aside to let those who want to lead the party forward do so.

[yliza]

8. What about the DU post basically saying Axios is full of shit?

It links a BlueSky thread from capitolhunters that makes the assertion that dems are going to cave sound suspect. I’ll wait for confirmation before I get mad at Schumer.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220787624]

Edit: I added some context.

[IbogaProject]

15. We were right to be skeptial

But now it has been confirmed that there is a rare Sunday session underway so the previous concerns about the story's veracity are now moot.

[yorkster]

10. Is it possible Schumer will take the heat

knowing that Jeffries is opposed and it won't pass the House?

[SocialDemocrat61]

11. He already is

Despite him saying that he’s voting no.

[yorkster]

16. I mean that Schumer is willing to take

the heat knowing that the bill probably won't pass the house.
I have no idea, of course. Schumer's deal from Friday sounded good but the R's nixed it, naturally. It would have funded ACA credits for a year and the Dems could have run on that, warning that the R's would try again to end the credits for the ACA.

[yorkster]

20. Hes voting no. Just now from Senate floor.

Good.

[Alpeduez21]

19. Pretty sure the house has already passed this legislation

There has been no talk of this going back to the house.

[yorkster]

25. You may be right. I thought it had to go

back to the house.

[Alpeduez21]

42. I've heard or found conflicting infomation so I don't know what gonna happen

I do know this has taken the wind right out of the sails from Tuesday's highs.

[BlueKota]

50. I read in a thread here since the bills don't match

it has to go back to the House. The question remains if it does go back, will there be enough votes to pass it in the House. Jeffries is against it, but since tsf is apparently for it, likely the Republicans will all vote yes. Also we don't know whether there are any House Dems who will jump ship and vote yes.

[choie]

30. Oh you think Jeffries

will remain opposed?

[choie]

32. And so what if he does remain opposed.

He can't prevent the house to vote against it.

[yorkster]

44. I hear a bit of snark...

Who knows?

[choie]

47. more than a bit.

[yorkster]

48. No need to inject negativity here.

No one's happy about this.

[BannonsLiver]

14. I'm reminded of the nickname the sailors on the USS Caine had for Captain Queeg.

[Takket]

21. Dems will lose the midterms if they do this, and they will deserve it

not because everyone will vote for rethugs, but because too many people will just stay home if their choices are fascists, and quitters.

[Prairie Gates]

23. Counterpoint: No they won't

[bigtree]

22. no one has ever made a proposal that they know the opposition won't accept

...in order to call their bluff for everyone to see.

Of course they have. it's fucking standard political opposition, but the rub is a Dem electorate accustomed by troll after troll encouraging them to attack their own party instead.

It's something to behold, and you can count me out.

It's a binary political system with a dangerous party in control on one side and our Dems we managed to elect through all of the trolling on the other.

There isn't any Internet Outrage party that's going to make that equation any different. We can either bend the arc toward Democrats, or we can do this stupid outrage thing over politics that we have zero actual responsibility for managing as if our legislators were a meme or a monolith for internet gripers to take pot shots at instead of take the time to EVER support them.

Does anyone remember this republican party EVER trashing their party leaders for ANY political initiative? In the meantime, here we are claiming proposals are 'caves' as if the legislature was meant to be just some protest instead of governance.

As MOW organized Bayard Rustin wrote in his book, 'Strategies for Freedom,' activists often substitute and mistake volume and militancy for progress.

For a political movement to succeed, he wrote, it must have a legislative goal at the head of its advocacy to transform agitation into action.

Maybe turn down the volume against our own leaders charting a path forward, and point us to a legislative solution.

[choie]

34. Do you remember the republican party

ever capitulating?

[EnergizedLib]

26. I saw an expression or something on social media years ago

‘Republicans are why things get worse. Democrats are why things don’t get better.’

So, so true.

[choie]

35. Wow, I've not heard that before.

Interesting..

[James48]

27. Slotkin is voting no.

She said it’s not right.

Hold firm!

[EdmondDantes_]

29. Those electoral wins have no bearing on Congress at this point

It's easy to say that they just have to hold out, but that has to be balanced against their obligations to federal workers, to people on SNAP, to people who need government services. I don't know how I'd vote in their position, but I know it's far more complicated than you're making it out to be.

[yaesu]

36. Pissing off much of their voting base doesn't seem to be very smart a year from a major election. nt

[choie]

37. What has changed from a month ago?

Did we get anything "we" wanted? No. Because we know damn well the republicans are not going to vote for ACA subsidies.

I have a lot of clients in NY who are on SNAP, and they blame the republicans for this mess. They're not saying "please Democrats, compromise, like you always do"

[EdmondDantes_]

45. A bunch of people lost paychecks, a bunch of people didn't get SNAP benefits, a bunch of flights got cancelled

We simply don't have the votes to make Congress pass what we want. How long are you willing to let your clients go without SNAP? January 2027? What's going to change the makeup of Congress significantly before then?

[choie]

46. Again,

did the Democrats not know that they would never get the votes? Did they think there'd be republicans who would stop marching in lock step? They knew that Federal workers were going to stop getting paychecks. They knew that SNAP recipients were going to have their SNAP benefits stopped. and if they didn't know, that's political malpractice.

[EdmondDantes_]

51. That's an argument for not having the shutdown, it's not an argument in favor of sticking with a losing plan

Sometimes you try a thing and it doesn't work. You don't stick with a plan that isn't winning. What was a prolonged shutdown going to gain? How was it going to change the math in Congress? Once they had a shutdown, is your position that they were obligated to keep it no matter what? Sometimes we lose. If we had collectively voted better in 2024, if Democrats in Congress and the Biden administration in 2022 hadn't extended the subsidies that were done for covid for 3 years in order to make it fit budget reconciliation in the Inflation Reduction Act or had adjusted things to make permanent changes to the ACA subsidies, we wouldn't be here now. Or if any number of other things that have put us in a weird position where most people get health insurance through work but not everyone and we have exploding healthcare costs, particularly the last few years.

But we are here and we have to deal with that. If Republicans were never going to extend the subsidies, then why continue the shutdown?

[standingtall]

41. Not complicated at all there was going to be massive suffering the moment Trump got back into office

200 billion was already cut from snap effective in 2026 so there already going to be people losing snap benefits and this will only enable them to make further cuts to it before Trump is gone. Open the Government with nothing in return. I guess so we can keep funding ice agents and the military occupying Cities and crush the momentum we had after the election. Stopping short term suffering without consideration of the long term suffering at the hands of the Trump administration is a gross miscalculation.

[yaesu]

31. Pissing off their entire voting base doesn't seem to be very smart so maybe brain worms are contagious? nt

[AverageOldGuy]

39. NO!!!! NO!!!! FUCK SCHUMER AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON!!!

I am absolutely, 100% disgusted at the Democratic Senate caucus for caving in return for absolutely nothing. What better sums up the Democratic Party than this?

Very slowly, glacially slow, the Democratic Party is realizing how to face Republicans.

But after a month–even iN the face of kicking Republicans ass on Tuesday in part because of the shutdown–there was just no way that weak ass losers like Tim Kaine (My Senator, Virginia) and Gary Peters and Jeanne Shaheen were going to have the courage to hold on. They simply care more about traveling by air than they do about the poor or about health care.

This is an absolutely clear 100% victory for Trump.

I ashamed of the Democratic Party leadership in Congress. Maybe it will change one day. Maybe we will still have a country worth saving at that time. Maybe I will outlive all these centrist shitheads.

[yourout]

55. Tim Kaine was Hillary's biggest mistake.

[RockRaven]

40. People need to ask themselves which constituents they think any given politician is working for.

[EnergizedLib]

52. I mean, it won't look good when Republicans vote no next month

But let them own everything. Our side caving is unacceptable.

[yourout]

54. Because we have stealth Republicans wearing the blue.

Republican secret agents protecting against progressives.

[Shipwack]

56. Here's a left field theory

The caving Democrats are scared.

They are scared that the GOP will ditch the filibuster to pass this legislation on their own.

This scares some Democrats because even if the filibuster is broken just for this one bill, it sets a precedent. It shows that if you want a law bad enough, you can get rid of the filibuster.

This means that the centrists a Third Way-ers will have no excuse to oppose progressive policies. They can’t say “Gosh darn, that’s a great idea, but the Republicans won’t allow it. They’ll just filibuster it. Too bad “. They’ll then go back to counting their dark money from special interests.

[flying-skeleton]

57. Time for a reckoning‼️

These traitorous senators better have gotten rich from surrendering because they just ended their political careers and will have to live their lives in shame ‼️

I will donate to every one who primaries these traitors ‼️

[FHRRK]

58. To make it even worse

The clock was ticking on the SNAP benefits.

48 hours and the Repubs lost even more leverage.

Let’s take the worse case, the First District rules against Trump, he throws a fit and goes to the full SC. They fall inline for the immoral Repukes, then Schumer and the team of wimps at least have delivered a huge talking point. The Repubs and SC have screwed over millions of citizens while giving money to Argentina, spending billions on an airplane, building a ballroom, etc., so unfortunately to feed those in need we have no other option.

But for some reason, the Centrist Wimps couldn’t wait. And for the life of me, I can’t think of any good reason.

[W T F]

59. I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but is seem that the Democratic Party has been infiltrated by fake democrats

[SocialDemocrat61]

60. What huge electoral wins?

Democrats won elections in four coastal state, all of which went for Harris last year. Only in Virginia did a democrat replace a republican. Control of neither house of congress was overturned because they weren’t at play. While democrats had a good night on Tuesday, it’s a bit of a stretch to call it a huge electoral win.

[SocialDemocrat61]

62. Me too

But keep things in perspective. Tuesday was a good night but really doesn’t change things. Last night was a bad night, but was only a short term setback. There are still more innings to go, if you will forgive the baseball analogy.