Thinking a few steps ahead ...

[lapucelle]

Folks, we need to have a little Civics #101 chat, because apparently the media no longer seems fit to explain to you whats happening.

So quick review:

The House passed a clean CR.

The senate has not passed anything.

— STEMthebleeding (@stemthebleeding.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T20:32:26.566Z

The ONLY way this "deal" (taken with several grains of salt) ends the shutdown is if it's identical to the house version.

The alleged "cave" by the GOP staff regurgitators at Axios is nowhere close to the house bill.

Which means it forces Johnson to convene the house to vote on it.

— STEMthebleeding (@stemthebleeding.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T20:32:26.567Z

This means among other things, that our awaiting reps can be seated.

But it also means that Senate Republicans betrayed Trump.

He wants them to pass the clean CR by nuclear option because he wrongly thinks he'll be able to end mail in voting.

But regardless, it means the Senate betrayed him.

— STEMthebleeding (@stemthebleeding.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T20:32:26.568Z

So what happens?

Well, the likelihood of the House GOP passing this bill is between 0 and absolute 0. It would be seen as a betrayal by THEIR base.

But it does mean that Dems get the 218th discharge vote for the Epstein files.

It also means that Dems can filibuster the NEXT House bill.

— STEMthebleeding (@stemthebleeding.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T20:32:26.569Z

[sheshe2]

1. Thank you, Lapucelle.

Informative post from BSky. I just followed them over there.

[brer cat]

2. K&R and thanks, lapucelle.

[Cha]

3. "It forces the House to reconvene and

vote on it".. brilliant!

The Senate Betrayed Traitor by Not going option.

Mahalos, lapucelle!

[lapucelle]

5. Dick Durbin is on the list of "yes" votes, but Chuck Schumer isn't.

Why would Dick Durbin (who is in leadership) be voting "yes" when he's already announced that this is his last term?

Also on the list are vulnerable Democratic senators, including Jon Ossoff. It all makes sense as strategy, but not as policy.

[Cha]

8. TY for that, info.. Yes, It IS a Strategy...

and evidently Ron Flipkowski(who I like but not this) is saying. ins essence that Sen Schumer is Voting No but "it doesn't wash his hands of it".. SO?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220788404

It pisses me off.

[Arazi]

4. Their base will believe whatever Traitor tells them, and atm he's gloating about crushing the Dems

Anyone believing Congressional Dems will suddenly grow a spine next time is smoking crack.

[lapucelle]

7. How did Trump crush Democrats?

If the Senate passes anything other than exactly what the House sent it, the House will need to vote on whatever the Senate passes. If the House change what the Senate passed, it will have to go back to the Senate for a vote.

And when the House reconvenes, Johnson will have to seat Rep.-elect Adelita Grijalva. She'll be the final vote on the discharge petition, and the Epstein files will be released.

[Wiz Imp]

13. Sorry, but the Epstein files will not be released

The bill to release the files will presumably pass the House, but it would still need to be passed by the Senate and signed by Trump before it becomes law. So it's not going to get the files released. What it will do is force Republicans to all go on the record as either supporting Epstein's victims, or supporting the pedophiles named in the report. Believe me, many of them DON'T want to be forced to do this.

[lapucelle]

20. See post #19.

[lapucelle]

9. Then it's the House that caved,

and the Epstein files will be released.

[lapucelle]

11. Welcome to DU.

Enjoy your donut.

[Wiz Imp]

14. see post 13

[Fil1957]

12. Well if that's true -- Go Chuck! But I have my doubts, hopefully I'm just being paranoid...

[mcar]

15. Stop getting in the way of Dem bashing!!

You're letting logic stop the pile on!!

[betsuni]

16. Thinking? With screaming pitchfork-armed villagers and bloodhounds nipping at Democrats' heels and everything? No.

[ananda]

17. Joanie, you da girl!

I hope that armor suits you.

[lapucelle]

18. ...

[lapucelle]

19. Nothing happens magically overnight.

Yes, but all those mines are being laid in the ground for Republicans to step on as we speak.

[angrychair]

21. This is A LOT of wishful thinking

Thune would not have agreed to any of this if he didn't already have buy-in from Johnson.

They literally fucked Democrats sideways on this and won everything they wanted with no strings attached.

[lapucelle]

25. Sorry, but I don't do the Republicans work for them.

[angrychair]

26. This shutdown

Was, according to our Democratic elected officials, about healthcare and we got absolutely nothing. They failed and made people suffer in the doing. They are monsters.

[lapucelle]

27. "Democratic elected officials are monsters"?

That’s Republican messaging.

Like I said, I don’t promulgate Republican talking points.

[tritsofme]

22. Trump is going to endorse the deal, and it will pass the House.

This is all being too cute by half.

It’s over, if Republicans are really determined to strip voters of their ACA subsidies, they can deal with those repercussions at the polls next November.

Democrats do all they could, but ultimately we are not in power, and we can’t fight until the last federal worker has their house foreclosed on.

[yorkster]

23. Can this be in latest discussions as well?

Not sure of rules, but this is important.
Thx. lapucelle.

[liberalla]

24. This is an interesting theory or idea, that offers me a bit of hope - knowing that the House must

return and vote to approve whatever the Senate comes up with... and then we get Adelita!!!

Thanks for posting these posts from Bluesky!