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Defeat from the jaws of victory. (Original Post) orangecrush Nov 2025 OP
The mood is sour in our house. CrispyQ Nov 2025 #1
Well, there is always a one way ticket to Canada where politicians actually have a spine. nt yaesu Nov 2025 #2
It's true orangecrush Nov 2025 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 2025 #4
I remember some observers saying I hope Dems don't grab defeat from the jaws of victory. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #5
I said that I believe last Thursday. flashman13 Nov 2025 #23
Some are predictable...unfortunately. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #27
The voters on Tuesday made it clear they want new leadership that meets the moment. flashman13 Nov 2025 #28
I think van Hollen has what it takes to lead in these times. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #31
I really wish I could contradict you on this, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #6
... orangecrush Nov 2025 #7
You were right and I'm man enough to say I was wrong. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #8
Been there done that orangecrush Nov 2025 #9
Oh come on moose65 Nov 2025 #18
I'm sorry, well, no, I'm not. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #24
Trump wins over and over and over again Grim Chieftain Nov 2025 #22
There goes my healthcare next year. Intractable Nov 2025 #10
Very sorry. orangecrush Nov 2025 #11
K&R Grumpy Old Guy Nov 2025 #12
Thanks orangecrush Nov 2025 #13
On the bright side, I get to waste more of my life working instead of retiring as I was planning. nt Gore1FL Nov 2025 #14
Sorry to hear orangecrush Nov 2025 #15
Thanks. Gore1FL Nov 2025 #30
We have it orangecrush Nov 2025 #36
Everyone was pounding . . . Scubamatt Nov 2025 #16
If it ends like this, should have just voted for CR a month ago. Held a big press conference with all 250 Dems Silent Type Nov 2025 #17
People were furloughed for nothing Johonny Nov 2025 #19
The party is weak. Starving for Strong Leadership Thrill Nov 2025 #20
Do you think we have a centrist problem? Emile Nov 2025 #21
I think we have a Citizens United problem orangecrush Nov 2025 #25
Since Mondale lost in 1984. nt Gore1FL Nov 2025 #26
Democrats prove once again...... flying-skeleton Nov 2025 #29
Leave it up to the Democrats to win a resounding election victory on Tuesday and throw it in the crapper on Sunday. flashman13 Nov 2025 #37
Republican Wave in 26 yankee87 Nov 2025 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author vercetti2021 Nov 2025 #35
All the joy and hope Tuesday brought us Billsdaughter Nov 2025 #33
It should be the New Democratic Party motto. nt Javaman Nov 2025 #34

yaesu

(9,292 posts)
2. Well, there is always a one way ticket to Canada where politicians actually have a spine. nt
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:27 PM
Nov 2025

Response to yaesu (Reply #2)

yellow dahlia

(5,790 posts)
5. I remember some observers saying I hope Dems don't grab defeat from the jaws of victory.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:36 PM
Nov 2025

I hate the consistency of those who tend toward disappointing us.

I was doing a blue tsunami dance only five days ago.

yellow dahlia

(5,790 posts)
27. Some are predictable...unfortunately.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 11:06 PM
Nov 2025

There was clear momentum. All "we" had to do was take advantage of it.

I also suggested a paradigm shift...as in a shift to leadership that better meets the moment.

yellow dahlia

(5,790 posts)
31. I think van Hollen has what it takes to lead in these times.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 11:23 PM
Nov 2025

He is creative and willing to take on a fight. He thinks outside the box.

I want to see him as Leader of the Dems in the Senate.

I have a different favorite for Prez in 2028...but right now I am focused on the urgency of this year...and SAVING DEMOCRACY!

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,052 posts)
6. I really wish I could contradict you on this,
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:37 PM
Nov 2025

but the proof is in the pudding, Sen. Schumer capitulated, there's really no other term to describe this betrayal of the Sen. Dems.

Sen. Schumer may have voted no, but the only reason he did is because he knew he had the votes to cave, but make no mistake, he caved to the repigs.

I'll always vote Dem, but I'm now holding my generous contributions to the national Dems, for progressive candidates only.

I predict a red wave in 2026 and 2028 because of this betrayal to the Democratic Party.

This Liberal, yes, proud Liberal, is pissed off at this betrayal of Democratic Party principles.

This is a clear case of snatching defeat from the Jaws of Victory.

moose65

(3,453 posts)
18. Oh come on
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:47 PM
Nov 2025

This isn’t good, but those elections are one to three years away. This will be ancient history by then.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,052 posts)
24. I'm sorry, well, no, I'm not.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:59 PM
Nov 2025

This is going resonate in the 2026 mid terms, loyal Dems, like myself, are going to remember this betrayal and vote accordingly.
Please, don't get me wrong, but I will vote for those that opposed this betrayal and we won't forget.

Grim Chieftain

(1,682 posts)
22. Trump wins over and over and over again
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:55 PM
Nov 2025

no matter how corrupt, evil or detrimental his actions are to our country and our democracy. We need to take a hard look at why and how that happens.

Gore1FL

(22,942 posts)
14. On the bright side, I get to waste more of my life working instead of retiring as I was planning. nt
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:27 PM
Nov 2025

Gore1FL

(22,942 posts)
30. Thanks.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 11:22 PM
Nov 2025

I am so tired of Democrats rolling over in the face of evil.

Ever since the losses in 1984, all we ever do is apologize for our stances.

We need new leadership that can face the challenges before us.

Scubamatt

(306 posts)
16. Everyone was pounding . . .
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:32 PM
Nov 2025

on John Stewart when he asked - i regards to the election victories of the past week - how can the Dems mess this up? Exhibit A. Never surrender to bullies; our folks set our cause back substantially today. How long till we see the Trump/Republicon ads trumpeting how we caved. And do NOT lecture me on how we had to "take the high road" and "be the adults in the room. "

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
17. If it ends like this, should have just voted for CR a month ago. Held a big press conference with all 250 Dems
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:39 PM
Nov 2025

Dems on Capitol steps explaining why and what the plan is to counter cuts.

Johonny

(26,105 posts)
19. People were furloughed for nothing
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:49 PM
Nov 2025

They lost pay and/or vacation and got nothing. This is awful. Why bother?

Thrill

(19,342 posts)
20. The party is weak. Starving for Strong Leadership
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:50 PM
Nov 2025

They’ve been their own worst enemy. They never learn

flashman13

(2,375 posts)
37. Leave it up to the Democrats to win a resounding election victory on Tuesday and throw it in the crapper on Sunday.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 11:58 PM
Nov 2025

Now that's what I call real strateggery.

yankee87

(2,817 posts)
32. Republican Wave in 26
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 11:25 PM
Nov 2025

We just gave up the 26 midterms. Just now down to our Lord and Savior, DJT.
Nothing matters

Response to yankee87 (Reply #32)

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