I am not in despair over the "Sunday Night Sell Out"

[orangecrush]

Tuesday's Blue Wave still happened.

And I believe it put enough power into the right hands to make the needed changes to the power structure of the Democratic Party.

So in a way, the "Sunday Night Sell Out" was a blessing in disguise - with glasses... lowered on the nose.

It put a bright spotlight on who and what needs changed. Now there can be no doubt.

It's a temporary setback that cannot and must not stop the resistance.

It is the last gasp and swan song of a way of doing things whose time has come.

[luv2fly]

1. From your lips to the Flying Spaghetti Monsters ears n/t

[HarryM]

13. I think you mean...

His Holiness, the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s noodly appendages.

I say this for all reverent Pastafarians.

[niyad]

31. Rahhhh- men!!!

[moonshinegnomie]

46. pasta be praised and let us say ra-men

[Irish_Dem]

2. I hope you are right.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. There are benefits for sure, just not the main goals we wanted

There is a point where shutting down is not the best idea. We made inroads and have momentum. GOP will suffer the blame for ACA going forward, whatever form that takes. The House might even go back in session because they have to vote on the deal.

[LymphocyteLover]

6. I agree. Remember Adelita Grijalva can be seated and that could result in the discharge petition

getting enough votes to be signed and the release the Epstein Files bill passed.

[Blue Full Moon]

11. Johnson is not going to do it.

He's committed to waiting until December when there is an election for the house. The republican is projected to win. That way the Epstein files will not be released at all.

[Wiz Imp]

28. That election in December is completely irrelevant.

The discharge petition requires the signatures of a majority of members of a full House. That means 218 (1/2 of 435 +1) . 213 Democrats and 4 Republicans have signed the petition. 215 Republicans have refused to sign it. Grijalva will be signature number 218. The results of the 2 remaining open seat special elections make no difference.

Besides that, the House passing the legislation is still a long way from the files being released. Once the House passes, the Senate still needs to pass it then Trump sign it (which will not happen).

But the House will force the vote on the legislation. The House MUST reconvene to reopen the government. Once that happens, Grijalva MUST be sworn in (the Courts will order it if necessary).

[agingdem]

26. and the SNAP shame is now a wholly owned subsidiary

of the Republican Party...Trump and his sucker fish Mike Johnson are forever the poster assholes for hungry children and Depression era bread lines...

[bucolic_frolic]

29. Yes, this dustup really tagged Republicans as heartless creatures. What a shame. /nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

4. I am... we were winning precisely because of the fight we put up. NOW WHAT?!

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[barbtries]

5. thank you for this.

i needed it as I am reeling quite close to despair.

[KS Toronado]

39. I hear ya Barb

Was that way myself last night, then this morning I realized our side must have a bigger game plan than any
of us realize. Did our side discover the IQ4.7 game plan was to never reopen the Government so when
there was riots in the streets he'd declare Martial law? There's something going on behind closed doors
our elected Ds are not telling us about because I'm sure their game plan is not folding to IQ4.7's will.

[LuvLoogie]

67. There IS martial law if your a brown /Latino looking

Have you seen Chicago lately?

They areassaulting, shooting women, dragging them out of their cars, and abducting them. Thousands of immigrants are missing. They are dying in custody. They are being held in shit, tortuous conditions.

If it were a kennel, it would be shut down and the owners jailed.

[SocialDemocrat61]

7. Tuesday's election results

and what happened in the senate last night are completely unrelated. No Senator was up for election on Tuesday, they were mainly local elections. Other than Kaine, none of the 8 senators come from a state where any the major elections on Tuesday took place.

Regardless of Tuesday’s election results republicans still control the presidency and both houses of congress.

[orangecrush]

9. Governors and mayors of large cities

Have a lot of effect on what Senators and reps from their states do, in most cases, if I am not mistaken.

And other than a handful of corrupt Supreme Court justices, they sure don't control many judges.

[SocialDemocrat61]

22. Spanberger said the shutdown end yesterday

so that might be why Kaine voted yes.

[Hotler]

8. Tuesday's election was one step forward. The Sunday night sell out is two steps back.

[orangecrush]

10. Tuesday was a giant leap.

That's why Sunday happened.

They're scared and pissed.

Don't give up.

[republianmushroom]

63. Known as the Democratic leaders waltz.

[Easterncedar]

12. The SNAP starvation will end

I hate all this, too, but I am aware the Dems are dealing with the hostage taker who was willing to kill the hostages.

The long game is what we must hope and work for.v

[Happy Hoosier]

17. And the long, slow painful death of people who cannot afford health insurance begins.

Great trade-off!

[Wiz Imp]

34. That was going to happen regardless

The Republicans were NEVER going reinstate the ACA subsidies. The government could stay shut for the entirety of 2026 and it wouldn't make a difference.

[Happy Hoosier]

40. Well certainly not if we just give in.....

[dem4decades]

51. We didn't just give in, we got the Republican's word .

Talk about getting nothing.

[orangecrush]

59. ...

[republianmushroom]

64. Yup

[orangecrush]

19. I believe he will try to stop the funding permanently

I don't see him giving it back.

[Joinfortmill]

14. Agree.

[Blue Full Moon]

15. The truth is that those 8 "democrats" just embolden Trump.

He still not going to release SNAP payments and now the health care is going to be removed. Both are republican goals going back decades. This is a lose lose situation. They caved without even one single concession. So absolutely nothing was accomplished.

[Wiz Imp]

37. Um, wrong. SNAP payments will happen now - as soon as the government funding passes.

They can't and won't be withheld. Even the Supreme Court would agree with that if it came to that (which it won't).

[agingdem]

52. it all came down to SNAP!!

and limited flights/unpaid air traffic controllers (catastrophes waiting to happen) two weeks before Thanksgiving and possibly the duration of the holiday season, the Democrats had to move...Trump/Mike Johnson and the House MAGA monsters callous disregard for human life will taint the Republican Party going forward..

[Wiz Imp]

57. Right. I still disagree with the decision of these 8 (actually 5 since 3 voted with Republicans all along)

But at this point it became obvious that Republicans were perfectly fine with the government being shut down forever. They were never going to relent on the ACA subsidies. I think they actually take pleasure in hurting the most people they can. So, sooner or later, the Democrats were going to have to agree to a CR. The Democratic party will not let people suffer unnecessarily forever. I think they should have waited longer, but I can see why some were ready to end it now - they didn't want the air traffic to be a mess come Thanksgiving and even if courts ruled in their favor, SNAP benefits using the contingency fund would have lasted less than 2 months.

The public now knows that if your health insurance premium skyrockets, it is 100% the fault of Republicans, and they don't give a damn about you.

The other mistake many here make is thinking that ALL Democrats think (or should think) as fanatically about this stuff as they do. That's just not the case. People not getting their SNAP, people whose flights were getting cancelled, Federal workers not receiving a pay check - they already all know this was due to Republicans. Keeping things shut down indefinitely was not going to change things. All it would do is make them continue to suffer while still not seeing any benefits in the long run.

This only hurts Democrats if Democrats (like many here) use it to attack the party moving forward, instead of keeping the focus on the one and only party responsible for this mess - the Republicans.

[agingdem]

60. Correct...

we don't control any branch of government but what we can do is force the Republicans to publicly eat their inhumanity...

[Happy Hoosier]

16. I am. The people put their faith in us...

... and at the very first opportunity, we threw in the towel. Un-fucking-believable.

[orangecrush]

18. They exposed themselves

Now we have work to do.

[Happy Hoosier]

20. I have no faith it will happen.

This was it. This was the line. They crossed it and we let them. They will never, and I mean NEVER take us seriously again. They know that with enough pain, we will fold.

[Johnny2X2X]

21. Is there any chance the ACA subsidies extension passes?

If there is and it does, then we won this. If there isn't and it fails, then we lost.

These are people's lives. This isn't a political football, this is life or death to many Americans. That some Dem senators just don't care about those lives gives a lot of credence to the idea the parties are the same and just don't care about regular people. I know most Dem Senators held the line, but it just feels like the party gave up, feels corrupt, and feels like doom.

[moreland01]

35. There is no way

I cant afford $1000/month for insurance. I can only hope that more than a few republicans whispered in the dem's ears that they have the votes to pass an extension of the subsidies. 🤞🤞🤞🤞

[pinkstarburst]

23. I am absolutely sick this morning reading this.

This is why we lose every time. The R's may be cruel, but they stick together, they vote together. We don't show up for our candidates on election day (Kamala, Hillary) when it counts. We don't stick together as a party when it's time to stay strong with things like this.

I hope every one of these 8 senators is primaried.

[orangecrush]

24. We showed up in droves on Tuesday

That's why this happened.

Big money is pissed and scared.

[CentralMass]

30. Schumers constituents, big money.

[Volaris]

50. Then why arent they yelling at republicans to cave?

Why is it always DEMS who are expected to alleviate the pain of the screaming faces of the leopard-eaten??

Oh, the completely republican-controlled government fucked up air travel and retail sales for the holidays? Can't have THAT, better start calling our DEM REPS and 'express our great concern'.

Fuck that, have the day you VOTED FOR and then call Thune.

[lapucelle]

53. If House Republicans pass the Senate bill, they have caved.

It’s not a clean CR.

[orangecrush]

61. Word

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

25. Thank you

[orangecrush]

27. Most welcome

[Emile]

32. Couple more No Kings Protests and we'll be united

all over again.

Will someone pass that joint please.

[republianmushroom]

65. And please don't Bogart it.

[niyad]

33. May it be so!

[johnnyfins]

36. No one should be scratching their heads

on the morning of 11/4/2026, stupidly wondering why more dems didn't show up at the polls.

[MayReasonRule]

38. An Interesting Take...

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They got cute and used Senators not up for re-election next year or ones that were retiring for the surrender vote.

So here's the metric we use instead:

If you aren't pushing for a new Democratic leader in the Senate *immediately,* you're out on your ass.

— Nash (@radiodeadair.com) 2025-11-10T03:56:08.569Z

[orangecrush]

58. THIS

[MayReasonRule]

62. It's What Computes For Myself As Well... I Don't Like It At All

[lark]

41. I am in despair because the ACA has been ruined and will not function for the poor anymore.

Dems turned their backs on the poor and agreed to cut their healthcare in exchange for flights for Thanksgiving. Boo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Senate Repugs already had a vote on this and they all voted to gut it - they will do exactly the same if they even allow a vote which I doubt because they don't want to take the heat for cutting off healthcare for hundreds of thousands folks. R's are nothing but liars and I have deep disdain for all the 8 who sold out for a total lie - and they know it!

[dwayneb]

42. ACA was flawed from the beginning

The Republicans ripped it apart and made it useless before it was ever made into law. Before we had the subsidies, back in 2019 for me it was going to be $1500 a month for super crappy insurance with a high deductible. The subsidies brought it back closer to being affordable.

Point is the ACA was a sad compromise for what could have and should have been a move toward universal healthcare, which is what Obama proposed in the beginning.

Instead our predatory "health care" system has total power over us today and for the foreseeable future.

[Mme. Defarge]

43. Glad to see so many positive comments.

My post from yesterday, not so much.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220789885

[flying-skeleton]

44. Bullshit ‼️

What temporary set back?

* 40 million Americans health insurance premiums are going to SKY ROCKET.
* Democrats ONCE AGAIN proved they have NO BALLS!

These traitorous senators better have gotten rich from surrendering because they just ended their political careers and will have to live their lives in shame ‼️

We should all donate to every one who primaries these traitors ‼️

[BannonsLiver]

45. I don't think so.

[TheBadWolf]

47. Yeah, but what good was Tuesday anyway?

Especially when there's enough controlled opposition in the Senate to keep kneecapping a progressive agenda.

[orangecrush]

56. It gave a lot more political clout

To progressive Democrats.

[berksdem]

49. Very much disagree

[yaesu]

54. The blue wave was pissed on by some turncoat dems, but soggy is better than nothing, I guess. nt

[orangecrush]

55. They definitely pissed on our cornflakes.

[Duncan Grant]

66. One needs a lot of glitter for this turd of events.

I see what happened as a way to demoralized last Tuesday’s momentum. What I’m seeing is complete and absolute incompetence.