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SamuelTheThird

(584 posts)
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 05:24 PM 22 hrs ago

What do Elon Musk and Taylor Swift have in common?

Other than being obscenely wealthy, that is.

They both threatened Jack Sweeney, a student who posted information about their private jet usage, including estimating CO2 emissions. Claims that he was compromising their safety were bogus, as he had a delay between their flights and his posting of the information.

After Musk's and Swift's legal teams failed to imtimidate Sweeney from posting, the Trump administration changed rules to allow the super wealthy to fly jets more anonymously. Gee.

The super wealthy are the problem, people. Just because you may have emotional attachments to some of them doesn't mean their interests arent at great variance from yours.

Tax them out of existence.

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What do Elon Musk and Taylor Swift have in common? (Original Post) SamuelTheThird 22 hrs ago OP
... demmiblue 22 hrs ago #1
Cogent argument SamuelTheThird 22 hrs ago #2
That's Queen Charlotte, the First Black Queen of Great Britain. ms liberty 19 hrs ago #8
Well, it's the characterization of Queen Charlotte, as seen on the Netflix series "Bridgertons." Sogo 3 hrs ago #20
You appear to have a continuous problem with Taylor Swift, yet you never mention her charity(s). What's your problem SheilaAnn 22 hrs ago #3
Exactly! bluestarone 4 hrs ago #14
We're supposed to become angry, cynical, not vote because Both Sides are controlled by corrupt BILLIONAIRES.. betsuni 3 hrs ago #16
Especially since it's posted by one of the "newbies," who may or may not be baiting us.... Sogo 3 hrs ago #21
It's a kink, IMO BannonsLiver 3 hrs ago #17
I also have no use for anyone flying on private jets talking about greenhouse gas emissions fujiyamasan 22 hrs ago #4
Got a link to this information? ornotna 21 hrs ago #5
A tax on wealth is needed. IMO. pwb 21 hrs ago #6
Sounds serious Torchlight 20 hrs ago #7
Taylor Swift's Last Album Sparked Bizarre Accusations of Nazism. It Was a Coordinated Attack Emrys 16 hrs ago #9
Neither knows who the fuck you are, Stan. LuvLoogie 16 hrs ago #10
LOL, oh man, this is after the other thread attacking her for "turning MAGA". FascismIsDeath 15 hrs ago #11
OMG dude! Give it up! MorbidButterflyTat 15 hrs ago #12
Right!? LuvLoogie 3 hrs ago #19
Out of curiousity, where do you get your made-up nonsense? Orrex 8 hrs ago #13
Did Taylor Swift pee in your Cheerios? MustLoveBeagles 4 hrs ago #15
Bless your heart. BannonsLiver 3 hrs ago #18
You can't "tax them out of existence" Mosby 3 hrs ago #22
How would you like it if someone put a tracker on your can and posted everywhere you had driven? Jose Garcia 3 hrs ago #23
What is this weird tangent? Tommy Carcetti 2 hrs ago #24

SamuelTheThird

(584 posts)
2. Cogent argument
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 05:29 PM
22 hrs ago

Why did you use someone dressed as a royal? Are billionaires now royalty us peasants shouldn't criticize?

Sogo

(6,971 posts)
20. Well, it's the characterization of Queen Charlotte, as seen on the Netflix series "Bridgertons."
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 12:38 PM
3 hrs ago

nt.

SheilaAnn

(10,627 posts)
3. You appear to have a continuous problem with Taylor Swift, yet you never mention her charity(s). What's your problem
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 05:35 PM
22 hrs ago

with her? I ignore Elon so have no comment on him.

betsuni

(28,665 posts)
16. We're supposed to become angry, cynical, not vote because Both Sides are controlled by corrupt BILLIONAIRES..
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 11:59 AM
3 hrs ago

According to the ideology, billionaires funding Democrats control them and they have to do everything the billionaires want, so Taylor Swift is controlling the Democratic Party now I guess.

Beyonce just became a billionaire too, and a Democrat like Taylor Swift, so we can look forward to conspiracies theories about her as well.

The "But private jet" is a classic Both Sides that Republicans always used when climate change was brought up.

Sogo

(6,971 posts)
21. Especially since it's posted by one of the "newbies," who may or may not be baiting us....
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 12:41 PM
3 hrs ago

nt.

fujiyamasan

(1,168 posts)
4. I also have no use for anyone flying on private jets talking about greenhouse gas emissions
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 05:37 PM
22 hrs ago

It’s all bullshit coming from the top 1%.

I don’t particularly have anything against Swift (aside from finding her music overrated), but I also don’t understand all the posts fawning over her.

Musk is an outright fascist. There’s nothing else to be said about him.

pwb

(12,448 posts)
6. A tax on wealth is needed. IMO.
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 06:34 PM
21 hrs ago

Nobody deserves to be a trillionaire like Musk. That is 1000 billion dollars.

Share it with the company workers and stock holders, or we tax it away?

Even after they pay their taxes they still have so much. The unhappiest people.

Emrys

(8,920 posts)
9. Taylor Swift's Last Album Sparked Bizarre Accusations of Nazism. It Was a Coordinated Attack
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 10:55 PM
16 hrs ago
Data analysis of social media posts painting the singer as a Trump supporter or white supremacist revealed a network of inauthentic accounts

...
Soon, online discussion of the [The Life of a Showgirl] album turned extreme in ways that many found bewildering. There were social media posts accusing Swift of implicitly endorsing the MAGA movement, trad-wife gender norms, and even white supremacy with dogwhistle references. While the far-right have been known to claim the singer as an icon of “Aryan” greatness despite her record of championing Democrats and liberal values — and President Trump himself has blithely and disingenuously shared AI-generated imagery depicting her as a supporter — this was a noticeably divergent trend, an apparent attempt to cancel Swift for those presumed affiliations. The attacks largely focused on specific word choices (her use of the term “savage” on the song “Eldest Daughter” was interpreted as racist) and symbols (a necklace for sale on her website stirred up Nazi comparisons because its lightning bolt charms bore a passing resemblance to the bolt pattern worn by the SS).

These ridiculous charges led Swifties to bemoan the current political climate, admonishing left-leaning commentators for going overboard in their attempts to identify signs of cryptofascism in Swift’s work. “It’s depressing because reactions like these end up making everyone who genuinely cares about social progress look ridiculous,” wrote one fan on Reddit. “The more exaggerated the discourse becomes, the more it plays directly into the right’s narrative that liberals are hysterical, moralizing, and incapable of nuance.”

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What Swift’s defenders didn’t realize, however, was that they were pushing back against a false narrative that had been seeded and amplified by a small network of inauthentic social accounts. Worse, they were helping to disseminate those bad-faith allegations by earnestly engaging with them.

That’s according to new research from GUDEA, a behavioral intelligence startup that tracks how such reputation-damaging claims emerge and go viral on the internet. In a white paper examining more than 24,000 posts and 18,000 accounts across 14 digital platforms between Oct. 4 (the day after The Life of a Showgirl came out) and Oct. 18, shared first with Rolling Stone, the firm concluded that just 3.77 percent of accounts drove 28 percent of the conversation around Swift and the album during that period. This cluster of evidently coordinated accounts pushed the most inflammatory Swift content, including conspiracy theories about her supposed Nazi allusions, callouts for her theoretical MAGA ties, and posts that framed her relationship with fiancé Travis Kelce as inherently conservative or “trad,” with all of this framed as leftist critique.

Once the provocations were injected into the Swift discourse — often they appeared in edgier online forums like 4chan or KiwiFarms before migrating to popular social apps — they were organically sustained by the people challenging them on mainstream platforms. This, in turn, algorithmically reinforced their visibility. “The false narrative that Taylor Swift was using Nazi symbolism did not remain confined to fringe conspiratorial spaces; it successfully pulled typical users into comparisons between Swift and Kanye West,” the researchers wrote. “This demonstrates how a strategically seeded falsehood can convert into widespread authentic discourse, reshaping public perception even when most users do not believe the origin
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The more recent, Swift-focused activity of these accounts may indicate the owner(s) dipping a toe in the water before pursuing other ends with this network in the future. After all, while [Blake] Lively has argued that [Justin] Baldoni is trying to sabotage her career with bot-driven commentary, it’s not immediately clear what anyone stands to gain from painting Swift as a closet MAGA voter.

“When we put our doomsday hat on, I think we can see that reality,” Paul says of the test-run scenario. It could be, she speculates, “that there might be other nefarious actors, not U.S.-based, who have reasons to see, ‘If I can move the fan base for Taylor Swift — an icon who is this political figure, in a way — does that mean I can do it in other places?’”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/taylor-swifts-social-media-campaign-life-of-a-showgirl-1235480646/

FascismIsDeath

(41 posts)
11. LOL, oh man, this is after the other thread attacking her for "turning MAGA".
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 11:51 PM
15 hrs ago

...that whole thing went terribly for you so not sure where you think this is gonna go... on a TOTALLY UNRELATED subject, I hear trolls marching around, making their trollish noises and such.

MustLoveBeagles

(14,603 posts)
15. Did Taylor Swift pee in your Cheerios?
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 11:42 AM
4 hrs ago

I can think of no other reason for you to spread this obviously made up RW BS. The comparison to Musk is ridiculous. Taylor largely has liberal views and uses her fortune to help others. Elon does the opposite.




Mosby

(19,225 posts)
22. You can't "tax them out of existence"
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 12:46 PM
3 hrs ago

Without taxing their companies out of existence.

Want to take away Bezos's billions? Then we have to destroy Amazon. Don't like that Bill Gates is a billionaire? Then let's destroy Microsoft.

The "super wealthy" are an easy target, but they aren't actually the problem, in fact the companies they own significantly contribute to the US economy.

Jose Garcia

(3,422 posts)
23. How would you like it if someone put a tracker on your can and posted everywhere you had driven?
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 12:47 PM
3 hrs ago

Tommy Carcetti

(44,389 posts)
24. What is this weird tangent?
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 01:41 PM
2 hrs ago

I think I recall a similar argument a few months ago regarding Bob Dylan.

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