Dems MUST shutdown government to deal with ICE

[Eddie Haskell 60]

The only power Dems have left is to shutdown government until ICE and war powers are brought back under control. Otherwise, Dems are useless.

[leftstreet]

1. DURec

[SSJVegeta]

2. Demand a federal law reigning in ICE before any negotiations can happen.

[mr715]

4. Demand

they do a set of 50 pushups and have a Masters in Latin American Studies.

[SSJVegeta]

7. Perhaps even add 3 sets of 8 count pushups, 5 burpees -and a cerificate in accounting to the list.

[mr715]

8. And of course

no prior convictions, a robust background check, drug screenings, and a psych eval.

None of this DEI shit, just hire people that meet the requirements.

[SSJVegeta]

9. We can dream

[mr715]

3. Do not be complicit in crimes against humanity.

You are in the minority - you are not obligated to govern.

[ananda]

6. It's the only way right now.

Just do it, Dems!

[tritsofme]

10. Why do you think a government shutdown would make Republicans want to defund ICE?

[Eddie Haskell 60]

11. To wake people up

Shutdown is to wake the American people up. Let them know some powers such as tariffs and war powers must return to Congress as required by the Constitution.

[tritsofme]

23. The only thing that will happen is that federal workers won't get paid again.

Another thing Republicans don’t care about.

The government being shutdown isn’t a failure for them, it’s a victory in itself.

[Cha]

32. And Families on SNAP will Not get

Food Assistance like last time.

TY for bringing up the Fed Workers.

[Eddie Haskell 60]

35. They'll get backpay like last time

They'll get backpay like last time

[tritsofme]

37. So how long are you willing to sacrifice them for? Republicans aren't going to agree to defund ICE

Whether you keep the government shut for a week or a year.

Back pay is great, but it doesn’t stop them from defaulting on their credit cards and mortgages.

It comes down to how long you are willing to abuse federal workers, without there being any possibility of a policy victory. To me it is just pure cruelty, there is no point.

It’s as stupid as when Ted Cruz shutdown the government to “kill Obamacare”

[Eddie Haskell 60]

40. Not nearly as cruel

Not nearly as cruel as allowing government to kill citizens in broad daylight and strip away our Constitutional rights. Without those, everything u mentioned will be gone anyway.

[tritsofme]

46. But how does a government shutdown get you any closer to accomplishing those goals?

[maspaha]

14. A shutdown may not defund ICE...

…but, it’s at least a symbolic fight. Courage is contagious!

[tritsofme]

38. I'm not sure how forcing federal employees to work without pay for weeks or months is courageous.

Because that’s all that will happen, before the government is reopened with zero policy concessions.

There’s a reason Ted Cruz liked the strategy of shutting down the government so much, it’s because he’s fucking stupid.

[PatrickforB]

15. No one said 'want.' I believe it is about forcing them to do so by opposing every single little thing they try.

They need to be opposed just like Rove, Cheney and Rumsfeld made it so the GOP opposed all we tried to do in lockstep. Every time we ever try to do some bipartisan thing, they don't agree unless they get their way anyway.

Over the last 30 years our political dialog has moved so far to the right, by design, that a centrist position in 2025 would be considered reactionary back in 1970 or even 1980. We have to STOP these people before it is too late and that window is closing rapidly. Time to grind everything to a halt and just stop it all until some concessions can be wrung from these corrupt politicians and their billionaire/Wall Street greed-lizard owners.

[orangecrush]

16. Bye

[tritsofme]

24. Adios!

[Cha]

33. Aloha!

[mysteryowl]

12. Sen. Schumer... please do the right thing this time!

Please remember you are a democrat and the people need you to step up!

[ChicagoTeamster]

13. And they'd be doing it for reasons more principled than another tax cut for billionaires at expense of working Americans

[maxsolomon]

17. DU Unrec

You're Whistin' Dixie, EH60

[Eddie Haskell 60]

41. Well

You're whistling capitulation.

[maxsolomon]

52. When the Dems don't shut down the Govt

you'll call them Capitulators, too. I mean, if you're still on DU then.

Other DUers are calling for a General Strike. They're going to be disappointed - half this nation wants to see protesting Liberals cut down by automatic gunfire. They won't strike.

[drray23]

18. I fear its not going to work.

Last shutdown, ICE was considered essential and still paid.
The GOP will not cave, they are perfectly happy to let the economy crash and people lose jobs while they keep paying their goons and spreading mayhem.

Most of the stuff the government is doing now is widly unpopular, yet they don't care and do it. Why would a shutdown pressure the gop ?

[The Grand Illuminist]

19. Correct

nt

[ancianita]

20. You're right. A shutdown will likely have the opposite effect of ICE creating more chaos and suffering.

Last shutdown, ICE was considered essential and still paid.

And that's what the felon wants ahead of the midterms, to claim that he's the only one who can "fix" blue states.

[Bayard]

27. rethugs would get another long vacation

I don't think the country is ready for Shutdown II. They would probably really blame Dems this time, as some probably haven't recovered financially yet from the last one.

Come up with another way to make the point.

[Cha]

34. TY! yes We Have to Focus On Winning the

Midterms..

[W_HAMILTON]

30. Exactly. Those that think otherwise are uninformed.

[Eddie Haskell 60]

42. You're not readinf the room

For those paying attention, these abuses ARE popular. Not surprising coming from group voted for felon and rapist. The point of shutdown is to wake those up who are NOT paying attention.

[ancianita]

21. Shutting down government will not shut down ICE. This will not only not work, it will make everything else worse.

What Continues (ICE):
Enforcement & Removals: Arrests, raids, and deportations continue as normal.
Detention Operations: The system for detaining immigrants remains active.
SEVP: The program that manages international students (F-1/M-1) is funded by fees and stays open.

What Slows Down/Stops (Immigration System):
Immigration Courts (EOIR): Hearings for non-detained individuals often get postponed, creating backlogs, even if courts technically stay open.
E-Verify: The system for employers to verify work eligibility can be temporarily unavailable, suspending deadlines for new cases.
USCIS (Sometimes): While fee-funded USCIS generally stays open, processing of some non-fee-based immigration petitions can pause.

In essence, ICE's core mission of enforcement carries on, but the court system that processes cases gets backed up, leading to uncertainty for many immigrants.

You're seeing this all wrong.

[relayerbob]

22. The GOP wants to destroy the government anyway

And Trump doesn’t care about laws so hw won’t shut down ICE.

What is required a general nationwide strike.

[Samael13]

25. Yeah thats a winning platform

Let's remember what happened last time all that was accomplished was making average Americans hurt. Do you think everyday Americans are gonna accept that again they'd turn on democrats

[obnoxiousdrunk]

26. Yes

The last shutdown worked so well.

[sarisataka]

28. And how did that last shut down workout?

What makes you think another one would be any more effective?

[Eddie Haskell 60]

36. Last shutdown worked

The ACA got extended like the Dems wanted. Again, shutting down is the ONLY power Dems have left and it must be used to wake up all Americans, including those on SNAP, etc. We can rebuild a crashed economy. It's much easier than getting boots off our necks.

[tritsofme]

39. lol, what world are you living in? ACA subsidies were not extended, the shutdown ended with Democrats getting nothing.

The same outcome that should be expected by the new shutdown you want.

Yikes.

[drray23]

44. No they werent.

There was a law introduced in the house that did pass but it failed in the senate.
Before you comment on things you have no clues about, you should educate yourself.

[LAS14]

45. Or you could politely correct their info. nt

[Lulu KC]

50. Source?

As I barely recall, the extensions passed the house but not senate. Tell me what I don't know.

[vapor2]

29. and remove noem

[W_HAMILTON]

31. We aren't going to remove Noem as long as Republicans are in power.

[Quiet Em]

47. The Republicans in Congress are well aware that the public is very angry with ICE and their aggressions

They have not yet even put forth a bill that funds ICE because of this. But the con artist unfortunately already has $170 Billion he can pump into ICE over the next four years.

Because of the public outrage there are serious conversations happening as to how ICE can be reined in. With the public siding with the Democrats hopefully there will be some retraints put on ICE. Along with this we need the Democrats to retake control of the House and lesson the Republican majority in the Senate in 2026.

[valleyrogue]

48. Forget it. It will backfire. nt

[betsuni]

49. "The only power Dems have left" but saying Dems have no power is an excuse because

shutting down and secret both sides powers they REFUSE to use because Dems are useless but I gently constructively criticize how they could should MUST do what I say otherwise capitulating because I am right.

[Initech]

51. Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon need to be fed to the fucking lions.

They cannot get away with this no matter how many Fox News appearances they make.