The Sasha Riley story sounds like BS

[Brenda]

Maybe he really did live through some horrible things and maybe those plus being a vet with PTSD turned his trauma and maybe delusions into confessions. Is he on medication?

No one on Earth should believe Chump was in a barn in Alabama murdering puppies with his bare hands.

No one on Earth should believe Chump and pals were locking people up to rape and murder in backwoods Alabama and Tennessee.

Shit like that happens but not by filthy rich NYC businessmen with access to the world.

Just hoping people don't waste a lot of time investigating this sad diversion from the Epstein Files even while proclaiming it's bolstering them.

There's enough damning information in the real files that we're witnessing the largest cover-up in American history by means of wars on multiple fronts, including waging war on the American People.

[questionseverything]

1. You know his adopted father was Epstein's pilot right?

[hlthe2b]

3. I didn't. That's interesting...

[Brenda]

7. I don't know that for a fact. And if so, it doesn't mean all the rest...

But tell me, with everything we know about Donald Trump and what he was doing in the 1980's - would he take time off from coking it up at Studio 54 to go strangle puppies in a barn in Alabama?

[questionseverything]

13. I'm not going to pretend to understand that mindset

But I am not going to blindly defend it either

[Brenda]

25. Wut?

What are you saying?

[Dr. Strange]

114. They think that if you don't believe every accusation against Trump, then you're defending him.

[travelingthrulife]

45. He is a murdering thug. Why can't people accept it. He is a monster.

He's been a mob boss his entire life.

We need to see all the files including the financial records.

Why do you suppose there is this huge effort to cover it up?

[Brenda]

51. I never denied any of that.

Except the claim of him personally murdering babies and puppies with his bare hands.

Someone who's probably never had dirt under his buffed fingernails. Sounds a lot like the QANON crap.

[Jimbalaya]

54. Information for you

Google:

Fox Island on Lake Michigan, Epstein's airstrip.

Trump's showboat casino on Lake Michigan, FBI account of infanticide.

There are verified details that connect very closely to Riley's account. Particularly, the use of the American midwest for sex trafficking in the 1980s (earliest was 1977, see first victim link below) before Epstein "leveled up" to Little Saint James Island and Trump "leveled up" to Mara Lago in the 2000s. Also, the use of airstrips on Fox Island for trafficking, and the use of airstrips on Epstein's island off the coast of Florida near Mara Lago.

It makes sense that they would use retired military pilots for this, particularly from the boonies, hopping from tarmac to airstrip to farmland to seaplane on lakes and ponds.

Also, the practice of "adopting" kids for weird seemingly sexual reasons is well known in MAGA - https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/18/rep-matt-gaetz-reveals-adopted-cuban-son-after-clash-with-democratic-colleague/
https://jemartisby.substack.com/p/house-speaker-mike-johnsons-selective
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/couple-sentenced-hundreds-years-forcing-black-children-work-slaves-rcna197533
They think they are still entitled to have slaves (and all that entails, re: children).

Corroborating links:
https://wkfr.com/epstein-and-maxwell-michigan-teen-camp/ Epstien's first victim was from children's camp on Lake Michigan's Fox Island.

https://wkfr.com/north-fox-island-history/ on Lake Michigan (Epstein had an airstrip here in the 80s)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_Star_II Donald Trump's showboat casino that operated on Lake Michigan in 80s and 90s.

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf FBI report Trump accused of rape and trafficking and witness newborn baby drowned in Lake Michigan.
https://medium.com/@criminaljusticechris/islands-of-power-and-silence-north-fox-and-epstein-fb312243a2f2

https://www.reddit.com/r/Michigan/comments/1alwnnh/anyone_know_anything_about_these_mansions_on/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Paul%27s_Children%27s_Mission

"North Fox Island has an operational public 3,000-foot-long by 100-foot-wide turf airstrip as of 8/2015, making it accessible by general aviation. Airport designation is 6Y3.[7] This runway is unsealed.

In the 1970s, a child pornography ring was discovered operating on North Fox Island.[8] The proprietor of the island, Francis Shelden, with help from Dyer Grossman, Adam Starchild, and Gerald Richards, created a fraudulent charity they named Brother Paul's Children's Mission as a cover to fly boys in Shelden's private plane to his island retreat.[9] The Detroit Free Press published a feature story in their weekend magazine on Shelden and the island,[10] then published a second story when the crimes were uncovered.[11] The crimes have long been suspected to have ties to the Oakland County Child Killer case."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Islands_(Lake_Michigan)

[Brenda]

57. Still not a barn in Alabama. nt

[Jimbalaya]

59. Have you never seen a country rich farm in the south? They are called plantations

You really don't think that elite white men in former slave owning families don't have palatial southern estates with big money parties?

You are imagining a barn with cows and goats - why are you intentionally misunderstanding this?

https://theculturetrip.com/north-america/usa/articles/10-notable-southern-plantation-tours-in-the-united-states

https://www.oldhousesusa.com/old-antebellum-and-plantation-houses-for-sale

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_complexes_in_the_Southern_United_States

These are literally former slavery palaces that already have slave graveyards...

And you're all like, "it's just a silly barn! what wealthy person would party in a barn?!"

[Jimbalaya]

69. whiff

ok keep missing the point on purpose.

[Blue Full Moon]

50. Gulles de Rais and Trump/Epstein including a demon named Barron.

[yardwork]

119. We don't know what Trump has done.

However, sick psychopaths do a lot of sick weird things. I wouldn't automatically discount any accusation just on the basis of "no sane person would do something like that."

Trump is not sane. We have no idea what he's done.

[BComplex]

10. More than that, even.

/what-i-have-personally-confirmed-william-kyle-riley-is-a-yr-old-helicopter
Some key pieces of this long thread:
What i have personally confirmed:
1. William Kyle Riley is a 76 yr old helicopter pilot living in Georgia who graduated from Troy University in Alabama.
2. “William Riley” is recommended by Epstein directly in a released email.
3. “Bill Riley” is mentioned several times in testimony from the manager of Epstein’s Palm Beach compound.
4. A little silly, but on FB, the second person in William Riley’s following list is Lindsey Graham.
@saschabarros

10. William Kyle Riley, pilot from Georgia who follows Lindsey Graham on FB and father of Sacha Riley was a licensed Private Investigator in Georgia. Why does a decorated pilot also need to be a secret PI?

Umm… this is a big one
8. “Bill Riley” is mentioned in this article from 2015. He’s referred to as a “private investigator” hired by Alan Dershowitz to *stalk and discredit* an Epstein victim. Two other names mentioned are “Steve Kiraly” and attorney “Roy Black”

To summarize what I’m confident of so far: Sascha Barros aka William Sascha Riley is related to William Kyle Riley who lives in Georgia and is a helicopter pilot (and follows Lindsey Graham on FB.)
There is a least one Bill Riley who worked for Epstein doing nasty work like stalking and discrediting victims, but I don’t know if it’s Sascha’s Bill Riley.

[Brenda]

16. A lot of assumptions.

I'll try to counter those assumptions, not because I know the truth but because it is not the absolute truth that Sasha presents.

1. Is he the same guy who was a pilot for Epstein. Or is this a case of mistaken identity? Was he a long term pilot? Does he have work manifests, etc?

2. What the fuck does Lindsey Graham have to do with this?

3. The "decorated pilot need to be secret PI" charge is just dumb. Lots of ex military go into public and private security.

[BComplex]

26. I really don't know what your agenda is. Are you trying to prove or disprove something

that can neither be proved or disproven without release of the files, and a huge years-long international governmental investigation? So until that happens, this man and this investigative journalist are definitely lying?

Nobody that I know of has said that anything on that release is true beyond any doubt. Nobody will probably ever say that.

Even if bodies are found buried all over the Epstein properties around the world, there are people who would step in and say that it's not true.

Have you had extensive experience with pedophiles? Human trafficking? Have you had extensive experiences with pedophile rings, or human trafficking rings, to say for absolute certain that nothing in there is true?

I'm just curious how you have decided to discredit this entire thing without any further evidence of this man or this interviewer.

Have you listened to all 6 of the audio tapes? What part do you think is contradictory?

[Brenda]

29. I have no agenda

I'm just curious how you have decided to discredit this entire thing without any further evidence of this man or this interviewer.

I already listed a couple of things he said that sounded implausible.
I could post some more of his quotes if you want?

[travelingthrulife]

46. So you didn't read or listen to Sasha's interview.

He could remember Lindsey Graham at least one of the parties. Does not recall seeing him have sex with anyone. He was a boy and they used drugs on them.
Also Biggs, Jim Jordan.

[canetoad]

108. Let's be accurate here

The person who calls himself Sasch. You, me and everyone else has no idea if this disembodied voice is who or what he says he is.

[hlthe2b]

2. I am only superficially informed, but my instincts tell me this is a trap...

If I am wrong, my humble sadness for this man and apologies, but that is what my "spidey sense" is telling me.

[rampartd]

4. if the story is real riley will be dead soon enough

[H2O Man]

11. Were it true,

he would have been dead years ago.

[questionseverything]

14. Why? No one seems to believe him anyway

There are tons of women, who were girls when they say Epstein abused and trafficked them, they aren’t dead

[H2O Man]

15. Where is Epstein?

You are aware that those "tons of women" are not saying the felon trafficed them, or killed anyone. Seems really simple to me.

[questionseverything]

17. Yes they do say they were trafficked

[EdmondDantes_]

18. They aren't saying Trump trafficked them

[H2O Man]

20. Key point.

Seems simple.

[H2O Man]

19. No kidding.

By Epstein. One should recognize that Epstein and the ferlon are two distinct people. This is actually why there are so many pictures of them together. If they were the same person, pictures & video of them together would not exist. I recognize that what seems obvious to some may confuse others.

[questionseverything]

24. Because it's *rump's justice department doing the redacting

[H2O Man]

27. Oh, really?

And how have they redacted what the actual victims have said publicly?

[travelingthrulife]

47. This victim said that Epstein was subordinate to Trump in the business. He said he thought

other 'rich people' were involved in running it.

[H2O Man]

73. Since you did not

identify "this victim," I suspect you mean Riley. If I am wrong, please correct my error.

Epstein was, without question, working for a foreign intelligence agency. There is zero evidence -- absolute zero -- that any intelligence agency on earth had the felon running any operation. Riley is a red herring.

[travelingthrulife]

100. Of course there is no evidence if you never look.

There are police reports. It deserves to be looked into.

[Brenda]

21. I was gonna rec your post

But thought naw, this simple thing you express deserves a real answer.

Hell Yes!

[H2O Man]

23. It is an

old tactic to try to discredit those demanding the release of the Epstein Pedi Files. It is sad that there are people who fall for this shit.

[Jimbalaya]

70. Yes they are - are you crazy?

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/15/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-abuse-epstein-maxwell

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/09/trump-epstein-photo-check-woman

[H2O Man]

72. Yes.

Many people consider me to be insane. But not a clown, who posts links to nonsense that in no way indicates the felon was part of Epstein's child sex ring.

[Jimbalaya]

74. You: "Zero evidence Trump was part of Epstein's child sex ring"

You: "There is zero evidence Trump was part of Epstein's child sex ring"

Me: "Here is an FBI report on the Justice Department website. It says Trump had sex with a 13 year old girl on a boat in Lake Michigan several times over a few months. Her father let Trump and other wealthy men do have sex with her for money. She became pregnant and gave birth on that boat. Then her father killed the baby and dumped it in Lake Michigan."

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf

You: "...there is zero evidence Trump was part of Epstein's child sex ring"

[H2O Man]

75. One would have

to be rather foolish to put any stock in that report, or to consider it "evidence." Thus, this OP and thread warning people not to be distracted by a red herring worthy of q-anon. It is sad that anyone would think it might be true for over 30 seconds. More, people need to be on the lookout for those who would join a group in an effort to advocate for the Riley nonsense.

"You must believe me, for I am a mad man. And mad men always tell the truth." -- Che

[Jimbalaya]

81. Epstein "sold" a girl to Trump - he paid with a $22,500 novelty check.

You said it's crazy to believe Trump was involved in Epstein's sex trafficking ring.

What about this one?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/09/trump-epstein-photo-check-woman

"A scrapbook for Jeffrey Epstein’s 50th birthday released on Monday contains a photo of him holding a novelty check bearing Donald Trump’s signature, along with a note suggesting Epstein “sold” him a woman for $22,500".

[H2O Man]

89. Comic genius!

Hey, do you think JFK Jr appeared at the Dallas Book Suppository at the rally?

[Jimbalaya]

93. sick you find it all so funny

[H2O Man]

95. You

are what I find funny. Not humerous, not serious. Just funny.

[Jimbalaya]

96. You

misspelled "humorous" - which is not just funny but ironic + stupid as well!

Nice work water bro!

[travelingthrulife]

56. So he has to be murdered before we check it out?

[Scrivener7]

35. I agree. It's too pat, and it's too similar to satanic panic stories.

I wouldn't put anything past Cankles, but this just doesn't seem to fit things we know.

[jmbar2]

79. Agree - sounds like an elaborate set-up.

Reminds me the folks who claimed satanic abuse, or being abducted by aliens.

[viva la]

5. I'm pretty sure Trump has never been in a barn anywhere--

or been in Alabama except for a campaign event.

Not really his kind of scene... and he never does anything he doesn't like.

[Brenda]

9. Exactly. Simple smell test for this fantasy that people want to believe. nt

[H2O Man]

12. It is an

attempt to discredit the people demanding the release of the Epstein Pedo Files.

[Brenda]

22. Absolutely agree. nt

[MorbidButterflyTat]

83. How?

How does this discredit the people demanding the release of the Epstein files?

[questionseverything]

86. It doesn't... it makes the release of the Epstein files imperative

[misanthrope]

34. I can't see Trump doing that kind of dirty work with his own two hands

Especially something as messy as exsanguination.

Could I see him as a sadist? Yes.

Could I see him paying someone else to do the actual hands-on killing? Certainly.

[Alice B.]

40. I seem to vaguely recall he's a germaphobe or something? I just can't imagine him wanting to touch an animal...

I was unaware of the Sasha story until one of our local No Kings organizers referenced some of the more extreme stuff (killing infants with his bare hands?) while arguing with a TSF supporter in the comments section of a community Facebook post.
As a communications person, I didn't think it was helpful. To put it mildly. There are plenty of criminal things we currently *know* to be true, if anyone really wants to get into it with a Red Hatter posting in unpunctuated sentence fragments.

I'm not saying I don't believe Sasha has been through something awful but his story is not the first thing I'd reach for while making a case against TSF.

[travelingthrulife]

48. He has sex with strangers all the time. He is not a germaphobe until he

doesn't want to shake someone's hand.

[Alice B.]

67. There is that.

[lapfog_1]

6. the names he was dropping as people that participated

Jim Jordan, Andy Biggs, Vlad Putin, etc... are not plausible. Mind you this was happening long before any of them were powerful rich people. How likely is it that he happened to run into all of these people in this sick child trafficking ring?

do I think that some girls that Epstein and his gang raped were later murdered... yes, but by professional hitman, not the rich bastards...

People think "Eyes Wide Shut" is just how the rich people actually live... it's not.

having underage girls ( especially from modeling agencies and teen beauty queens decorate your parties... and occasionally ( or even routinely ) service the rich men that attended the parties... sure. Many of these girls willingly participated ( but at that age they cannot consent ). Some might have threatened to go to the police... and I could imagine Epstein or Trump having one or two killed... because that story would be whispered between the girls and they would then be kept in line.

Bare knuckle fights, yeah... that's believable... even to the cracked ribs and bloody face. Possible.

I married into a "very wealthy people" class... Gulfstream jets, limo rides... Golf outings with Senators ( Jesse Helms of all people ), etc. They are different than the rest of us, but not in that way. I didn't last long... 7 years of marriage. But long enough. I never saw or heard even a whisper of this sort of activity... and trust me, my now ex-brother-in-law ( a very very wealthy little snot ) would have at least hinted around that we could attend such events if I was interested.

[Scrivener7]

36. I agree with all of this. What you describe is plausible. The Riley story doesn't seem to be.

Though if you and I both turn out to be wrong, I won't be overly shocked.

[travelingthrulife]

49. He didn't run into these people. He and Epstein brought them there to compromise them.

[questionseverything]

88. It would actually explain why jim jordon never reported the locker room rapes

[tavernier]

8. Let us see the unredacted files.

If they contain reams of information over many years, as people in the know seem to think they do, then this young man’s story will probably be in a pretty good chunk of the files. Then at that time he should be welcomed to corroborate and give testimony. Of course he can do what he likes, but I think without another source, it is too easy for people to just decide that he has a vivid imagination or even PTSD.

[GoCubsGo]

30. I don't know whether or not to believe this. But,...

When it comes to Trump, NOTHING surprises me any more. The only thing that would shock me would be for him to behave like a decent person for once in his putrid life.

[PatSeg]

33. Yes and that's the problem

Just when we think we've heard the worst, something else comes out. Though I am very on the fence about Sascha Riley's claims, I have to admit not much would shock me anymore.

Yes, if he behaved like a decent, caring person, THAT would shock me as well.

[Upthevibe]

42. GoCubsGo.....

I heard all the parts of the interview.

I also don't know what to believe. I do believe that dt would do the horrific, horrific things that Riley alleges. That's how much of a sick F I think he is.

It would also explain why Jordan and Graham are such disgusting sycophants. But I wonder about the timelines too. He said that Jordan was really young when this happened. I checked and Jordan graduated college in about 1986 when he would've been in his early 20's. But he didn't become a Congressman until his early 40's.

I can see where it could be a set-up to discredit other victims. Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me at all if similar incidents didn't actually occur.

[GoCubsGo]

43. I always suspected that Graham is hiding something like this.

Not saying he was involved in the Epstein crime syndicate. But, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he had his own similar thing going, that Trump found out about, either from Putin, or by his document snooping.

[Wiz Imp]

31. Sascha Riley and Lisa Noelle Voldeng claim that they spoke with Senator Wyden

and House Oversight Democrats in September. If that didn't happen, I would think Wyden or the House Oversight Democrats would come out and say that it isn't true. Especially, if they thought it was an effort to discredit real victims. The fact that they haven't done anything yet leads me to believe it's not that simple and there is something to this.

[travelingthrulife]

55. There are also filed police reports from some of the violent 'parties'

[Coventina]

32. I also have grave doubts. It sounds a lot like what the QANON folks accuse Tom Hanks

and the Clintons of.

If it is true, my heartfelt apologies and sympathies to this guy.

[Scrivener7]

37. This exactly.

[OneGrassRoot]

38. Why would you post this?

He isn’t asking any of us to believe him. (He has been posting about it since at least 2021.)

He, like other survivors, are pushing for the files to be released which most of them say will prove the veracity of their stories.

I can understand not believing all allegations but by now NOTHING should surprise us. No need for this kind of content trying to diminish his claims based on opinion.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

84. And so emphatically

And repeatedly.

[Woodwizard]

39. Muddy the water.

Create a barrage of information it is and always been trumps way to keep attention away from everything. Can you remember the headline outrage of two weeks ago?

[bagimin]

41. I take it that no credible outlet or reporter

has touched this yet?

[Jimbalaya]

44. Some corroborating evidence

Google:

Fox Island on Lake Michigan, Epstein's airstrip.

Trump's showboat casino on Lake Michigan, FBI account of infanticide.

There are verified details that connect very closely to Riley's account. Particularly, the use of the American midwest for sex trafficking in the 1980s (earliest was 1977, see first victim link below) before Epstein "leveled up" to Little Saint James Island and Trump "leveled up" to Mara Lago in the 2000s. Also, the use of airstrips on Fox Island for trafficking, and the use of airstrips on Epstein's island off the coast of Florida near Mara Lago.

It makes sense that they would use retired military pilots for this, particularly from the boonies, hopping from tarmac to airstrip to farmland to seaplane on lakes and ponds.

Also, the practice of "adopting" kids for weird seemingly sexual reasons is well known in MAGA - https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/18/rep-matt-gaetz-reveals-adopted-cuban-son-after-clash-with-democratic-colleague/
https://jemartisby.substack.com/p/house-speaker-mike-johnsons-selective
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/couple-sentenced-hundreds-years-forcing-black-children-work-slaves-rcna197533
They think they are still entitled to have slaves (and all that entails, re: children).

Corroborating links:
https://wkfr.com/epstein-and-maxwell-michigan-teen-camp/ Epstien's first victim was from children's camp on Lake Michigan's Fox Island.

https://wkfr.com/north-fox-island-history/ on Lake Michigan (Epstein had an airstrip here in the 80s)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_Star_II Donald Trump's showboat casino that operated on Lake Michigan in 80s and 90s.

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf FBI report Trump accused of rape and trafficking and witness newborn baby drowned in Lake Michigan.

[KS Toronado]

52. Welcome to DU !

[LetMyPeopleVote]

66. Welcome to DU

[Jimbalaya]

53. More sources

other sources:

https://medium.com/@criminaljusticechris/islands-of-power-and-silence-north-fox-and-epstein-fb312243a2f2

https://www.reddit.com/r/Michigan/comments/1alwnnh/anyone_know_anything_about_these_mansions_on/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Paul%27s_Children%27s_Mission

"North Fox Island has an operational public 3,000-foot-long by 100-foot-wide turf airstrip as of 8/2015, making it accessible by general aviation. Airport designation is 6Y3.[7] This runway is unsealed.

In the 1970s, a child pornography ring was discovered operating on North Fox Island.[8] The proprietor of the island, Francis Shelden, with help from Dyer Grossman, Adam Starchild, and Gerald Richards, created a fraudulent charity they named Brother Paul's Children's Mission as a cover to fly boys in Shelden's private plane to his island retreat.[9] The Detroit Free Press published a feature story in their weekend magazine on Shelden and the island,[10] then published a second story when the crimes were uncovered.[11] The crimes have long been suspected to have ties to the Oakland County Child Killer case."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Islands_(Lake_Michigan)

[mzmolly]

58. I've not heard the claims but it appears Trump did travel to Alabama in the 70''s.

While there isn't extensive documentation of Donald Trump's specific travel within Alabama in the 1970s, his connection to the state grew significantly through his involvement with the Miss USA/Universe Pageants, notably in the late 1970s and early 1980s when he took ownership, bringing him to Alabama for pageant-related events, including appearances and judging, often drawing controversy for his treatment of contestants, as highlighted by the famous 1978 Miss Alabama incident where he reportedly judged women on attractiveness for his pageants.

- Google AI

That doesn't make the story true, but it's interesting to consider.

[LuckyCharms]

60. How do you feel about the Katie Johnson and Virginia Giuffre stories?

And the E. Jean Carroll story?

[Brenda]

62. So if I believe those women

I must also believe this outlandish tale of Chump choking puppies in a barn in Alabama?

Huh, well, no I think the stories are completely different.

[LuckyCharms]

63. To some, their stories sound outlandish too.

To some, they sound unbelievable. Not to me, but to some.

And I'm not asking you to believe Riley, I'm pointing out that many do.

Sometimes, outlandish things are true.

When you stop looking at an individual story as a stand alone entity, and place it in context of other similar stories, a story may not seem so outlandish anymore.

And, a story doesn't have to be perfectly true via exact details, but it can be true in scope and generalities, especially when a distant memory is concerned.

[questionseverything]

80. Sasha was a little kid at the time and if his memories are exaggerated by trauma

It certainly doesn’t make them less important

He uses his real name and has gone to the democrats on the justice committee

If a tenth of what he said happened every decent person would be demanding his torture be investigated

Decent being the operative word there

Down thread, someone nailed it by asking, where’s the lawsuits? *rump loves to sue, others on the list should be rushing to file suit to clear their names.

That’s not happening because they are afraid of discovery I would guess 🤔

[Upthevibe]

64. Brenda.......

Heather Cox Richardson. Everyone can listen to the first 1 minute and 50 seconds.

I don't believe the interviews after having heard several people discuss it and several posts talking about this being a psych operation.

And, as has been discussed, the timelines make no sense.

[Brenda]

65. Thanks for that. I read her Letters From an American every day.

She has the right take on this. And I agree this is likely a psy-op.

[Upthevibe]

68. I absolutely feel that Psy-Ops is what's happening

here. I've seen folks I trust (like HCR) speaking and writing about this.

The timelines are SO off. Having said that, as I stated in another post, I believe wholeheartedly that dt might very well have participated in acts described in these interviews.

[mackdaddy]

71. Dan Rather's career was discredited by fake documents of a real event.

So it is possible that is is a made up story to dirty the waters. But, when you first hear about a guy who was at the center of money laundering and abusing over a THOUSAND victims for years, and had close relationships with two US presidents and other heads of state and Royal family member... now that is implausible. But true and only scratching the surface.

So is this story plausible to me? First, my opinion is DJT is capable of all of this and any of this.
This Sasha person was between 9 and 12 when all of this happened and was being related about 30 years after the claimed incidents. So does every detail like people seen as part of the audience but not part of the direct abuse, if any of those are wrong does it discredit the entire story?
There are other horrific abuse rings like the Franklin Scandal and the Catholic Priest abusers that were going on at the same time.
Many 'Indian Schools' had huge unmarked graveyards that have been found on their grounds.
With Dog Fights and Cock fights happening, Bare Knuckle fights for the entertainment of the Rich and powerful is not out of the realm of possibility. And if they were not in a large barn type structure, where would they be held?

And it is not impossible that a person who has a Cage Match UFC fight scheduled for the White House Grounds would have been attracted to a private bare knuckle fight private event.

So do I buy this story as absolute fact? No. Do I dismiss it as absolutely impossible? Also No.

I am open to investigation to prove it one way or the other.

Trump sure is doing everything he can to keep the Epstein files secret.

A famous quote from former Governor Edwin Edwards...During a successful election campaign for governor in 1983, he boasted, "The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."

Maybe Trump believes this?

[blue cat]

76. Please explain

No lawsuit threatened by any of them???? I’ll wait.

[questionseverything]

77. Exactly

[Historic NY]

78. Well Donald is weak he can stand blood

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/02/27/donald-trump-howard-stern-mar-a-lago-incident-2008-sot-ctn.cnn]

https://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/donald-trump-turned-away-from-a-man-he-thought-was-dying-37327977.html]

Donald wouldn't give a drowning man a glass of water.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

82. Can someone please provide a credible link to this story?

I'm tired of wading through garbage online.

[canetoad]

85. This is a link to Lisa Voldeng's substack

https://lisevoldeng.substack.com/

Just to get a feeling for who she is. The story you're looking for is top left: "Don't worry. Boys are hard to find" Published Nov 24 2025. Audio files are on this page.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

91. Thanks!

[questionseverything]

90. I wish someone would transcribe the testimony

I think I could get through it better reading than hearing

It’s so disgusting I have to break often

[MorbidButterflyTat]

92. Thanks for the warning!

I think I'd prefer to read it, too.

[Blue Full Moon]

94. Sasha is telling the truth, uncomfortable as that may be.

What he says fits right.
They need to go over Epstein's island with cadaver dogs.
Sascha's father was the one who went to Virginia Giuffre to silence her.

[Jimbalaya]

97. Corroborating evidence

Google:

Fox Island on Lake Michigan, Epstein's airstrip.

Trump's showboat casino on Lake Michigan, FBI account of infanticide.

There are verified details that connect very closely to Riley's account. Particularly, the use of the American midwest for sex trafficking in the 1980s (earliest was 1977, see first victim link below) before Epstein "leveled up" to Little Saint James Island and Trump "leveled up" to Mara Lago in the 2000s. Also, the use of airstrips on Fox Island for trafficking, and the use of airstrips on Epstein's island off the coast of Florida near Mara Lago.

It makes sense that they would use retired military pilots for this, particularly from the boonies, hopping from tarmac to airstrip to farmland to seaplane on lakes and ponds.

Also, the practice of "adopting" kids for weird seemingly sexual reasons is well known in MAGA - https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/18/rep-matt-gaetz-reveals-adopted-cuban-son-after-clash-with-democratic-colleague/
https://jemartisby.substack.com/p/house-speaker-mike-johnsons-selective
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/couple-sentenced-hundreds-years-forcing-black-children-work-slaves-rcna197533
They think they are still entitled to have slaves (and all that entails, re: children).

Corroborating links:
https://wkfr.com/epstein-and-maxwell-michigan-teen-camp/ Epstien's first victim was from children's camp on Lake Michigan's Fox Island.

https://wkfr.com/north-fox-island-history/ on Lake Michigan (Epstein had an airstrip here in the 80s)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_Star_II Donald Trump's showboat casino that operated on Lake Michigan in 80s and 90s.

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf FBI report Trump accused of rape and trafficking and witness newborn baby drowned in Lake Michigan.
https://medium.com/@criminaljusticechris/islands-of-power-and-silence-north-fox-and-epstein-fb312243a2f2

https://www.reddit.com/r/Michigan/comments/1alwnnh/anyone_know_anything_about_these_mansions_on/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Paul%27s_Children%27s_Mission

"North Fox Island has an operational public 3,000-foot-long by 100-foot-wide turf airstrip as of 8/2015, making it accessible by general aviation. Airport designation is 6Y3.[7] This runway is unsealed.

In the 1970s, a child pornography ring was discovered operating on North Fox Island.[8] The proprietor of the island, Francis Shelden, with help from Dyer Grossman, Adam Starchild, and Gerald Richards, created a fraudulent charity they named Brother Paul's Children's Mission as a cover to fly boys in Shelden's private plane to his island retreat.[9] The Detroit Free Press published a feature story in their weekend magazine on Shelden and the island,[10] then published a second story when the crimes were uncovered.[11] The crimes have long been suspected to have ties to the Oakland County Child Killer case."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Islands_(Lake_Michigan)

[Jimbalaya]

101. Additional details re: BComplex

BComplex shared details above. Reposting

Some key pieces of this long thread:
What i have personally confirmed:
1. William Kyle Riley is a 76 yr old helicopter pilot living in Georgia who graduated from Troy University in Alabama.
2. “William Riley” is recommended by Epstein directly in a released email.
3. “Bill Riley” is mentioned several times in testimony from the manager of Epstein’s Palm Beach compound.
4. A little silly, but on FB, the second person in William Riley’s following list is Lindsey Graham.
5. “Bill Riley” is mentioned in an article from 2015. He’s referred to as a “private investigator” hired by Alan Dershowitz to *stalk and discredit* an Epstein victim. Two other names mentioned are “Steve Kiraly” and attorney “Roy Black”

To summarize what I’m confident of so far: Sascha Barros aka William Sascha Riley is related to William Kyle Riley who lives in Georgia and is a helicopter pilot (and follows Lindsey Graham on FB.)

There is a least one Bill Riley who worked for Epstein doing nasty work like stalking and discrediting victims, but I don’t know if it’s Sascha’s Bill Riley.

[Emile]

98. Victim blaming is not cool.

[Jimbalaya]

99. where are you Brenda?

where you at Brenda? you're getting ratioed in the comments

[dpibel]

103. Post deleted in reply to your #59

If that was Brenda, she's locked out of this thread. That is how it happens on DU.

And I'm not sure ratioed is a fair characterization of the thread as a whole.

[Jimbalaya]

105. Thanks for your reply

I didn't know that was how DU works. I just joined recently.

And you're right to say ratioed isn't exactly a fair characterization. My "ratioed" point was, basically:

1) Brenda started this thread saying the victim's account was an obvious lie and we should treat Sascha Riley's story as a psyop.

2) A lot of people in the thread shared corroborating evidence, details, theories, etc, contradicting Brenda saying it was a lie.

3) Brenda did not address any of this evidence - she simply doubled down on her doubts.

4) Then, Brenda disappeared from the thread as more people added further evidence.

This is, in my slightly sarcastic view, an example of being "ratioed", even though it doesn't quite fit this context.

[truddy777]

102. Extraordinary Claims Do Not Survive Basic Scrutiny

The problem is not trauma or speculation, it is that the claims collapse under even minimal fact checking. Stories that rely on extreme scenarios without evidence distract from real, documented wrongdoing that already stands on its own. Chasing sensational narratives only muddies the water and burns time that could be spent examining verifiable records and testimony. If something sounds implausible on its face, it usually is.

[Jimbalaya]

104. Then provide basic scrutiny

Ok truddy, then will you provide even minimal fact checking?

So far, you have not. You have provided absolutely no fact checking of any kind.

You say it is "implausible" but you provide absolutely no basis for your claim.

Why are you so dismissive, when you have not researched or thought about the subject at all?

[Melon]

107. I said this days ago but you'll get accused of right wing

Talking points. This story is so far fetched it’s laughable. My point was that the repubs plant these stories so we look crazed and deranged. We are becoming the conspiracy party the last year.

[canetoad]

109. I'm sure the Voldeng woman

Invented this out of whole cloth with a view to making a name for herself. Just waiting for the gullible to soak it all up.

[meadowlander]

110. And it deflates the impact of the truth when it does come out.

Because when we eventually find out Trump did get a golden shower from a 16 year old, there actually was a pee tape used to compromise him, and he put out a hit on Epstein or whatever people will be thinking "ok well, at least he wasn't raping and murdering 9 year old boys".

[Torchlight]

111. That's quite the conspiracy you assert.

[Jimbalaya]

112. some details are far fetched. others aren't.

as a little kid who grew up in red / rural south / midwest in the 80s, with older kids/abusers from foster care, riding our bikes from one trailer park to the next, I can tell you:

- they would kill and torture animals. both wild animals and neighbor's domesticated animals. throw frogs on top of the roof on hot days, hit them with baseball bats when they jump off. douse neighbor cats in lighter fluid, chase them with lighters, etc.
- they were totally uninhibited in talking about homophobia/racism/sexism + violence.
- routinely encouraged / organized fights among each other.
- they would do anything for a gun / BB gun / bow and arrow / cool knife / "fighting" stick.
- they would build forts with traps that were actually really dangerous.
- they would build fires anywhere they could get away with it.
- fireworks, m80s, and other explosives (shotgun shells, for christ sake).
- cigarettes, booze, pills, weed; buy it or steal it to be very cool.
- they would abuse each other physically and sexually. organizing a fight between younger kids one day. sharing porn with them the next. masturbating together. exchanging video games, comic books, collectable cards for sex.
- uncertainty about why bio / foster parents weren't aware / stopping it.
- a kind of childish / horrific lore about the world, loosely agreed upon by 6-14 year olds. like, why god judges you for masturbating, and which animals have the devil in them, where their souls go when you kill them, how to comb your hair so girls will like you, that if you get an earring in your left ear you're gay, which skull and crossbones symbols are real, whether you actually burn in hell or not, how you have sex with women, which races you shouldn't trust and why, how to run away from home and live on the road.
- all the above lore, but about other boys, older boys, and the cool shit they did or saw or had sex with or almost died from.

I say this for several reasons:
1) redneck / rural / poor boys and young men were like this all over the American south, midwest, whatever, in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, etc.
2) Sasha Riley's story and account fits perfectly within this time and place. Even the outlandish parts that sound more like horrific lore told by a 9 year old, rather than a credible witness on the stand.
3) All of these boys and young men became adults, just a few months and years later. Same houses, same neighborhoods, same friends / enemies / beliefs, more or less.
4) For those of you who grew up in the internet era, where all the horrible shit in the world is "on the computer", it may be difficult to believe Riley's story about IRL horrible shit. But, when you think about it, it's all somewhere IRL before it's "on the computer".

For those who still are, thanks for reading.

[Jimbalaya]

113. one last detail

A *very* common detail of rural / redneck / farm life was the "drowning a bag of kittens" or "drowning a bag of puppies" story.

Where the dad teaches his son a tough less about having too many mouths to feed.

Gathers up a litter of kittens or puppies born in the barn or storage shed in the winter. Puts them in an old pillow case.

Says, "Son, get in the truck." and throws the tied up bag of puppies in the bed of the truck.

You drive to a nearby bridge, and he says, "Get out."

He pulls the pillowcase of mewing kittens or puppies out from the back of the truck and walks to the edge, looking at you.

You know that if you act sad or scared about the sounds of the animals he will be disappointed in you, and probably make you throw them in yourself to prove it.

He says, "Come here," and pushes the pillowcase into your arms, pushing you to the edge. "Don't be a fa---t, " he says. "Ok," you say, but you don't throw them yet. "Throw it or you get a whooping when we get home," he says.

You throw it in. The sound of the puppies gets quieter as they fall away from you.


This was a basically a rite of passage for rural kids in the rural American south and midwest. Then they'd take you to church and the pastor would scream "SATAN WILL BURN YOU FOR ETERNITY FOR HAVING SEXUAL THOUGHTS ABOUT GIRLS" and that's your weekend.

[Melon]

115. I grew up in that time period. In a rural area.

This story would not have been seen as credible late 70’s 80’s or 90’s either. It’s pretty far fetched. Nobody will stand up for Trump as any kind of moral compass, but this was the height of his popularity. He was on the cover of time magazine and playboy. He was a billionaire. He wasn’t sweeping his own steps much less committing murder of babies.

I think this a fanciful tale. Sometimes there are different drivers for people monetarily ir recognition or whatever. I want to believe every victim, but I know from experience that every story is not credible. It’s taking focus from what can be proven and it is not helpful in the narration of his crimes.

[Jimbalaya]

117. Hi Melon, what exactly is not credible?

Hi Melon, please be specific.

what specific details from Riley's story are not credible?

do you believe that Trump was associated with Jeffery Epstein and sex trafficking? Be specific.

if so, how far are you willing to believe it went? Trump just knew about Epstein's sex trafficking? Trump just had sex with the girls, but didn't traffic them? Trump just sex trafficked girls, but he didn't hurt them? Again, be specific.

Now that we've gotten this far, I'd like to, again, ask why you doubt Riley's entire story.

[Jimbalaya]

118. Trump was a mobbed-up debt-ridden casino thug in the 80s

Trump was not at the height of popularity in the 80s. He had his daddy's fortune and a bunch of bad debt. He went broke in 1991 and had to sell his debt-ridden assets (note the sale of Trump Showboat Casino on Lake Michigan in 1992 - which connects with other accounts of Trump from that era.) During the 80s and 90s he was a mobbed up casino owner in Ohio and New Jersey. Before he had a TV show, before he had Mara Lago. Before Epstein had his island near Mara Lago...

Trump was a TV star in the 00s, and he's president in 2010s and 2020s, so...

I just don't see how you can be like "Trump was wealthy in the 80s, therefore there's no way he went to parties at former slave plantations with KKK congressmen, corrupt county sheriffs, hillbilly mafia, Hells Angels, etc.

I know it sounds outlandish, but this kind of thing is common knowledge - look at Hot Springs Arkansas - https://vocal.media/criminal/dice-vice-and-political-spice-the-history-of-organized-crime-in-arkansas - every little town with enough money and voters and vice has the same kind of social structures.

So yeah, I don't see how everyone who is like "He was rich, rich people don't go to flyover states to party and do crimes." But, I mean, there are thousands of "former" plantations in the south.

Plantation is a code word for "slavery palace", with all the trappings, BTW.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

120. The wrestling announcer Jim Ross, from Oklahoma, had a story like this in his book

It was a little different-he had a bag of puppies and a hammer...

[Kid Berwyn]

116. Same was said about Virginia Giuffre.

Sascha Riley’s stepdad the Epstein pilot even visited her home to pressure her, Ms. Giuffre testified under oath.

[Jimbalaya]

121. Francis Sheldon, Jeffrey Epstein, and the Oakland County Child Killer - within 40 miles for 40 years

The Lake Michigan Model: Continuity of Sex Trafficking and Blackmail Operations (1967–2005)

Phase 1: The Blueprint (The Shelden Era, 1970–1977) https://vault.fbi.gov/francis-shelden

In the early 1970s, wealthy magnate Francis Shelden established the blueprint on North Fox Island.

Infrastructure: The first thing Shelden built was a 3,000-foot private airstrip (6Y3). This allowed high-profile "donors" to fly in boys from the mainland undetected.

Recruitment: Under the front of "Brother Paul’s Children’s Mission," they targeted underprivileged and gifted kids.

Exposure: In 1977, the sex trafficking ring was exposed, but only 2 men were ever charged. Shelden fled the U.S., but the social structure and the island itself—the airstrip, the connections to wealthy patrons, and the proximity to recruiting grounds like Interlochen—remained.

Phase 2: The Opportunist's Bridge (The Epstein/Interlochen Era, 1977–2000s) https://vault.fbi.gov/jeffrey-epstein

Jeffrey Epstein did not "discover" Michigan in the 90s; he was an alumnus of Interlochen Arts Camp (1967) and returned to the area exactly as the Shelden ring was collapsing.

Geographic Reality: Interlochen was Epstein's "hunting ground", just 10 miles from the Lake Michigan coast, directly across from North Fox Island. There is a private airstrip in Interlochen.

The "Lodge": From 1990–2003, Epstein was a major donor, even funding the "Epstein Lodge" on campus. This mirrored Shelden’s "charity" model, providing him with a legitimate reason to be near children.

The First Victim: It is a verified fact that Epstein’s first known victim was recruited at Interlochen in 1994.

The Allegation: The 2020 FBI tip (released in late 2025) claims that in 1984, a 13-year-old was trafficked on Lake Michigan by Epstein and witnessed Donald Trump at a scene involving infanticide.

The President: Everything we know now, in 2026, about the connections between President Trump and Jeffery Epstein.

[Jimbalaya]

122. Yo tell me this doesn't look like Jeffery Epstein

https://skdb.fandom.com/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer/Gallery

https://people.com/serial-child-murderer-bathed-victims-washed-clothes-before-dumping-bodies-in-snow-11875981

[Jimbalaya]

123. Now, consider Roy Cohn

The Roy Cohn Connection

Roy Cohn, Francis Shelden, Epstein and Trump in the 70s and 80s.

The Mentor: Cohn met Donald Trump in 1973 and mentored him for 13 years (until Cohn’s death in 1986). This covers the exact window of the 1984 incident reported in the FBI files.

The Blackmail Model: Cohn was a protégé of J. Edgar Hoover and an associate of mobster Meyer Lansky. He famously used "kompromat" (blackmail material) involving sexual indiscretions to protect his clients and control politicians.

Lake Michigan Link: The allegation is that North Fox Island wasn't just a random pedophile ring; it was a secluded assets center for Cohn's circle. If powerful men were caught on film at Shelden’s island, Cohn (the lawyer for Mafia dons and billionaires) was the man who would ensure those files disappeared.

The "Missing" 1977 Hearings

This article about missing New York Senate hearings is the smoking gun: https://medium.com/@criminaljusticechris/the-vanishing-record-roy-cohn-and-the-missing-1977-hearing-on-child-pornography-b5d2cf8098eb

If a hearing on child exploitation involving Roy Cohn existed in 1977 and then "disappeared" from the archives, it suggests a cover-up at the highest levels of the New York and Michigan governments.

1977 is the year the North Fox Island ring was busted and the year the Oakland County Child Killer (OCCK) case went cold. If Cohn was involved in those cases, it explains why they have remained unsolved for 50 years.

When you realize that Cohn, Shelden, Epstein and Trump all hunted in the same area of Lake Michigan, all using sex trafficking and blackmail to wield power, it's shocking how closely connected they are.

I'll add a timeline next.

[Jimbalaya]

124. Timeline - Trump, Epstein, Sheldon, Cohn - Lake Michigan

THE NORTH FOX TO EPSTEIN TIMELINE: A CENTURY OF PROTECTED CRIME

1967 | Jeffrey Epstein (age 14) attends Interlochen Arts Camp as a student.

Connection: Establishes his 50-year tie to Interlochen Michigan, just 10 away from the coast directly off North Fox Island, and the specific school that would later serve as his recruiting grounds.

1970 | Multi-millionaire Francis Shelden buys North Fox Island and builds a 3,000ft private airstrip (6Y3).

Connection: The logistics for untraceable "island hop" flights. The island is located just miles off the coast from Interlochen.

1973 | Donald Trump meets Roy Cohn at a Manhattan nightclub. Cohn becomes his legal "fixer" and mentor.

Connection: Cohn, a master of blackmail/kompromat and protégé of J. Edgar Hoover, begins a 13-year daily mentorship of Trump (1973–1986).

1975 | Francis Shelden and Gerald Richards form "Brother Paul’s Children’s Mission," a fake charity used to fly boys to the island.

Connection: Adam Starchild (international tax haven and offshore trust expert) serves as the Mission's president and financial architect.

1976 | Michigan State Police raid the North Fox Island ring. Gerald Richards is arrested; Shelden and Dyer Grossman flee the country.

Connection: Richards' client list includes 600 names of wealthy/powerful patrons implicated in sex trafficking and blackmail. These names remain sealed and have never been released to the public.

1977 | The Oakland County Child Killer (OCCK) murders peak in MI. The investigation is allegedly stalled by political interference.

Connection: Suspect Christopher Busch was a known associate and customer of the North Fox Island ring.

1977 | Roy Cohn is linked to a missing NY Senate hearing on child pornography and exploitation (Catalog LEG 127.60). https://medium.com/@criminaljusticechris/the-vanishing-record-roy-cohn-and-the-missing-1977-hearing-on-child-pornography-b5d2cf8098eb

Connection: Cohn used his influence to bury investigations into the high-level patrons of sex rings like North Fox Island.

1984 | FBI Doc EFTA00025010: Complainant alleges trafficking by Epstein and presence of Trump at an infanticide in Lake Michigan.

Connection: Historical records show Trump and Cohn were speaking 15–20 times per day in 1984. Adam Starchild is simultaneously in federal court (Detroit Bank v. TCVI) managing Shelden's millions in a Virgin Islands trust.

1986 | Roy Cohn dies. "Bill Riley" (pilot/private investigator) is increasingly cited in records as a fixer for the Epstein circle.

Connection: Riley bridges the gap between the rural logistics of the Midwest/South and the rising Epstein operation in Florida and the Keys.

1994 | Epstein and Maxwell recruit their "first known victim" (Maria Farmer) at Interlochen Arts Camp in Michigan.

Connection: Epstein officially "inherits" the Michigan hunting ground and methods established by the Shelden era.

1996 | Trump opens the Majestic Star II (Trump Casino) on Lake Michigan.

Connection: Gives a public, commercial face to Trump's presence in the Lake Michigan region. Francis Shelden dies as a fugitive in the Netherlands this same year.

2025 | The "Epstein Files Transparency Act" releases the 1984 FBI tip and emails referencing Bill Riley.

Connection: Re-ignites the investigation into the "Michigan Epstein Files" and the overlaps between the 1970s North Fox ring and the modern Epstein network.

[Jimbalaya]

125. Now let's do Hoover

1924–1972 | THE ARCHITECT (J. EDGAR HOOVER)

Milestone: Hoover serves as Director of the FBI for 48 years.

Connection: He perfects the "Official and Confidential" filing system. He is known to be a closeted individual who uses evidence of "sexual deviance" to blackmail politicians, judges, and activists. He mentors a young Roy Cohn during the McCarthy era.

1967 | THE ENTRY

Milestone: Jeffrey Epstein (14) attends Interlochen Arts Camp in Michigan.

Connection: Epstein enters the Michigan "hunting ground" while Hoover is still at the height of his power and Cohn is the top "fixer" in New York.

1970 | THE ISLAND

Milestone: Multi-millionaire Francis Shelden buys North Fox Island and builds a 3,000ft private airstrip.

Connection: Hoover’s FBI is notoriously hands-off regarding wealthy donor "social clubs," despite local police concerns about the North Fox property.

1972 | THE HAND-OFF

Milestone: J. Edgar Hoover dies. Roy Cohn effectively "inherits" many of Hoover’s methods and connections.

Connection: Cohn continues the tradition of using sexual kompromat to protect his clients, which now include Mafia dons (Tony Salerno) and rising stars like Donald Trump.

1973 | THE APPRENTICE

Milestone: Donald Trump meets Roy Cohn. Cohn begins a 13-year daily mentorship.

Connection: Trump is brought into the "Hoover-Cohn" world—where legal problems are solved through influence and secrets rather than law.

1975 | THE MISSION

Milestone: Shelden and Gerald Richards form "Brother Paul’s Children’s Mission" (North Fox Island).

Connection: Adam Starchild (offshore expert) manages the finances. The FBI (now post-Hoover but still staffed by his loyalists) remains curiously distant from the operation's high-level patrons.

1976–1977 | THE BUST & THE COVER-UP

Milestone: Michigan State Police raid North Fox Island. Roy Cohn is allegedly linked to "missing" hearings on child exploitation (LEG 127.60).

Connection: Despite 600 names on the client list, no "high-level" individuals are prosecuted. The OCCK case in Michigan goes cold simultaneously.

1984 | THE INCIDENT

Milestone: FBI Doc EFTA00025010: Claims Trump/Epstein were at an infanticide in Lake Michigan.

Connection: This is the peak of the Cohn-Trump relationship. Cohn is using the "Hoover Playbook" to keep his and his clients' private lives out of the press.

1986–1994 | THE EVOLUTION

Milestone: Roy Cohn dies (1986). Jeffrey Epstein begins his meteoric rise as a billionaire "philanthropist."

Connection: Epstein fills the power vacuum left by Cohn. He begins heavy funding of the Epstein Lodge at Interlochen (1990), using the same "charitable mission" cover Shelden used in the 70s.

2025–2026 | THE PRESENT

Milestone: DOJ releases the "Epstein Files," naming Bill Riley and revealing the 1984 tip.

Connection: The release finally shines a light on the 50-year "Hoover Model" of using remote islands and camps to facilitate—and then hide—high-level crimes.

[tulipsandroses]

126. I haven't paid a lot of attention to the Sasha Riley story but I will say this, it is not that unusual for

victims of extreme trauma who have PTSD to have delusional beliefs about the trauma.
They are not necessarily lying in the sense that people think they are lying.
I don't know if that is the case here - but just wanted to point out that trauma responses can be really complex. I've worked with trauma victims that that had delusional beliefs about the trauma. The abuse was real, the details they remembered were sometimes " false".
Again, I don't know that is the case here - but a possibility if this person is real victim of sexual abuse and is experiencing psychosis/delusions as a symptom of PTSD.