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AZJonnie

(2,894 posts)
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 05:02 PM 11 hrs ago

Agent John Ross was FAR some untrained ICE yahoo, in fact, reality is so much the contrary I find it suspicious

Before I start, I think it's interesting to note that the one neighbor who's made a comment said didn't even know he worked for ICE

Also interesting to me is that, to date, apart from that one neighbor, we've heard publicly from NOBODY who's claimed to actually know him. And the public's knowledge gap seems pretty extreme. For example, we don't know if he's married, has kids, we've seen no social media posts, we don't know where he was born, if/where he went to college (unlikely), almost nothing apart from employment/service records. In fact, the guy is pretty ghost-like for someone living in today's world. So it strikes me as odd(ly convenient) that nobody has apparently been able to dig up such information, nor interview anyone who knows him.

So lets look at we know about this guy:

Iraq War veteran – Indiana National Guard (mid‑2000s)
Served as a truck gunner in a combat patrol unit in Iraq.
Connotes: Front‑line combat experience, exposure to high‑stress lethal force situations.

U.S. Border Patrol agent near El Paso (from 2007-2015)
Worked on the southern border, later promoted to field intelligence agent focused on cartels, drug trafficking, and human smuggling.
​Connotes: Experience with organized crime networks, higher‑level analytical and investigative responsibility, not just routine checkpoint work.

ICE deportation officer, Minnesota (from 2015)
Assigned to fugitive operations in the Twin Cities, targeting what he described as “higher‑value targets.”
Connotes: Work on planned, higher‑risk arrests rather than random street sweeps, with responsibility for locating and apprehending specific individuals.

Team leader on FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force operations
Acted as a team lead on multi‑agency arrest operations with the FBI’s JTTF.
Connotes: Command‑type role in the field—coordinating officers from multiple agencies, making tactical decisions, not just following orders.

Firearms instructor / active‑shooter instructor for DHS/ICE
Trained other officers in firearms use and active‑shooter response.
​Connotes: Recognized as highly proficient and trusted to shape others’ tactics; clearly not an inexperienced or minimally trained agent.

Field intelligence officer / tactical planner
Described as an intelligence officer helping plan and brief operations, including risk assessments and target information.
Connotes: Involvement in planning and directing operations, not just executing them.

Prior “dragged by car” incident (Bloomington, 2025)
Broke a car window and reached in to unlock it during an arrest; was dragged ~300 feet, leading to serious injuries and later conviction of the driver for assaulting a federal officer.
Connotes: Past front‑line tactical engagement, but also a history of high‑risk, aggressive tactics that led to a near‑fatal outcome.


IMHO, taken together, these roles paint him as a senior, tactically experienced operator and team lead, not even remotely an untrained newbie. Making it quite plausible (though not proven) IMHO that he held a command‑level role on the ground during the operation in which Renee Good was killed.

I'm not making an assertion here, just pondering that this background might suggest he may be someone who, if told by his commanders it was necessary for "the mission" to create conditions where martial law could be declared, and was told he had ZERO risk of personal accountability over whatever he does, it wouldn't take a whole lot of coaxing for him to take such an action. He's been training to shoot people (and even professionally training others to do so) throughout his adult life. He could also be versed in tactics that allow officers/agents to use deadly force under the guise of "self-defense", as we recently learned that ICE was doing at least as recently as 2014.

I've also thought it's interesting that just as Ross is sneaking around the passenger side and moving to the front, filming, that Good's attention is forcibly drawn away by agents pulling up to her left, who begin barking commands in a threatening tone, then try to open the door. Also, logically the fact that she's turning right means she's looking to her left EXACTLY when Ross is circling around out of view, likely suddenly appearing to her with his gun out just when she started pulling forward. And let's not forget that she'd been previously ordered to move along.

So I wonder if Agent Ross isn't someone who'd have known how to pull "Operation Martial Law" off, while making it vaguely look like self-defense. Not saying he DID, but if someone wanted to create conditions for increased civil conflict (and doesn't MN make for a perfect place to do so?), seems to me a guy *like* Ross fits the profile of someone you'd ask to help you do so. A trained operative who's so discreet his neighbors don't even know he works for ICE, and NOBODY wants to publicly say a word about. It's like he had zero life, outside of work. Like I say, pretty convenient that a guy like this just happened to be the one to pull the trigger.

This is not a conspiracy theory, I'm not making any accusations, I'm not claiming anything I've speculated IS true, at all. I'm just thinking out loud and asking questions. The exact sequence of events plus his extensive background are interesting to me
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Agent John Ross was FAR some untrained ICE yahoo, in fact, reality is so much the contrary I find it suspicious (Original Post) AZJonnie 11 hrs ago OP
K&R orangecrush 11 hrs ago #1
The same thought has crossed my mind intuito 11 hrs ago #2
So he specifically targeted Renee Clouds Passing 11 hrs ago #3
renee and spouse may have been previously identified as observers? rampartd 11 hrs ago #4
The thought had occurred to me..... 70sEraVet 10 hrs ago #8
From the angle, I thought Renee was speaking "I'm not mad at you" to the first officer that grabbed her door Uncle Joe 8 hrs ago #20
No, she said that to her murderer, it's on the video he took on his phone. AZJonnie 6 hrs ago #32
The killer gets out of his car and starts filming their car, notably their license plate, that's what set Becca off AZJonnie 6 hrs ago #31
When the first vid came out, I watched it half a cachukis 10 hrs ago #5
My first question was *Why Minneapolis* popsdenver 10 hrs ago #7
George Floyd? Happened on his watch. cachukis 9 hrs ago #9
Minnesota voted against Mango Mussolini 3 times. Shipwack 9 hrs ago #11
Because shit went crazy in Minneapolis in response to Floyd? AZJonnie 7 hrs ago #30
Very interesting. sop 10 hrs ago #6
The other troubling issue is about the obliteration of the crime scene, a mop-up operation if you will. alwaysinasnit 9 hrs ago #10
He probably would have let himself be hit as he jumped on the car EdmondDantes_ 9 hrs ago #12
He did let himself be hit, in fact he appears to lean into the path of the vehicle AZJonnie 7 hrs ago #25
I haven't seen an angle that showed him being hit before firing EdmondDantes_ 7 hrs ago #27
There have been multiple posts here about his wife being Filipino MichMan 9 hrs ago #13
He knew what he was doing Roxi 9 hrs ago #14
Just from watching what occured the whole thing reeked of premeditation from the very beginning. flashman13 9 hrs ago #15
I read that somehow he tased the driver, twice, back in 2025. Zackzzzz 8 hrs ago #24
That could explain the whole dragging incident. When tased the whole body convulses so the drive could have lost all flashman13 7 hrs ago #29
Makes sense to me. highplainsdem 9 hrs ago #16
Kicking. nt Hotler 9 hrs ago #17
K&R spanone 8 hrs ago #18
Cover Story Wearing Thin 2na fisherman 8 hrs ago #19
ironic his life was disrupted and he is in hiding Skittles 8 hrs ago #21
Thanks for this, very informative. Joinfortmill 8 hrs ago #22
Tragic we have to include these theories when dealing with this WH. But, there is no bottom. nt wiggs 8 hrs ago #23
When I saw the film, I thought I was watching a nature film. Zackzzzz 7 hrs ago #26
Neighbors said he told them he was a botanist -- maybe some amateur "undercover agent" delusions ? nt eppur_se_muova 7 hrs ago #28

intuito

(12 posts)
2. The same thought has crossed my mind
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 05:15 PM
11 hrs ago

Thought he might even have been thinking, "Job done" walking back after the killing! Affect seems totally out of line with someone who has killed out of rage.

70sEraVet

(5,266 posts)
8. The thought had occurred to me.....
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 06:44 PM
10 hrs ago

That when Renee Good said, "That's fine, dude. I'm not mad at you.", it doesn't really fit. Just prior, her wife says "You want to come at us? You want to come at us? I say go and get yourself some lunch, big boy."
We're missing something. What triggered Renee's wife to ask if he wanted to "come at us"? And what was Renee referring to?
I suspect there is a conversation (or a piece of conversation) that we don't have. Perhaps an earlier confrontation?

Uncle Joe

(64,298 posts)
20. From the angle, I thought Renee was speaking "I'm not mad at you" to the first officer that grabbed her door
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 08:00 PM
8 hrs ago

not the shooter.

AZJonnie

(2,894 posts)
32. No, she said that to her murderer, it's on the video he took on his phone.
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 09:54 PM
6 hrs ago

It's just that it happens before the other, earlier released video (from the driver side) actually starts.

AZJonnie

(2,894 posts)
31. The killer gets out of his car and starts filming their car, notably their license plate, that's what set Becca off
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 09:52 PM
6 hrs ago

Given that afterwards Becca was inconsolably blaming herself, saying she got her wife killed, and that she asked her to come down and protest, makes sense she's the much more aggressively anti-ICE of the two. Which explains why Good was trying to be friendly to the cop, she's not the one who was purposefully there at the time. Her mom and ex-hubby also said she wasn't any kind of protester. The two women were of very different mindsets in the moment, that's the explanation. I also think actually Good saying it's all good was before Becca lit up Ross IIRC.

cachukis

(3,682 posts)
5. When the first vid came out, I watched it half a
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 06:25 PM
10 hrs ago

dozen times, role playing each character. He knew what he was seeing. Missed him transferring phone from right hand to left, but when I learned this it confirmed he was in combat mode. When he shot point blank into her head, I thought assassination.
Your analysis brings me more clarity. I had read briefly a bit of bio.
My curiosity about this batch of agents leads me towards gestapo mentality. Obama deported some 3 million immigrants without any of this police state mentality. Are they getting their jollies bouncing some of the frailest in our society.
This guy must have some serious issues.

popsdenver

(1,639 posts)
7. My first question was *Why Minneapolis*
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 06:37 PM
10 hrs ago

to roll out his Insurrection Act/Martial Law Threat ?????? Why not NY City or LA??????????

NYCity Population: 8,500,000

LA Population: 10,000.000

Minneapolis: 500,000

St Paul 313,000

Seems to answer my question........

cachukis

(3,682 posts)
9. George Floyd? Happened on his watch.
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 06:47 PM
9 hrs ago

He had considered Insurrection Act during first term.
He is a resentful sob.

Shipwack

(3,011 posts)
11. Minnesota voted against Mango Mussolini 3 times.
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 07:15 PM
9 hrs ago

Walz is former Democrat VP candidate.

Walz is outspoken, well spoken, and well liked… every thing Trump hates.

AZJonnie

(2,894 posts)
30. Because shit went crazy in Minneapolis in response to Floyd?
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 09:45 PM
7 hrs ago

It's obviously a place where people will get rowdy en masse when they're pissed one of their own gets killed by LEO's.

LA has in the past, but that was a longer time ago than the MN Floyd protests, which we know irritated IQ47 to no end.

alwaysinasnit

(5,556 posts)
10. The other troubling issue is about the obliteration of the crime scene, a mop-up operation if you will.
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 07:00 PM
9 hrs ago

EdmondDantes_

(1,418 posts)
12. He probably would have let himself be hit as he jumped on the car
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 07:22 PM
9 hrs ago

Jumping as or just before the car hit him would sell the "threat" of her ramming him. But then again, maybe that was the plan and they screwed up.

I think I just don't believe any of these clowns are strategic geniuses to pull that off. I mean these guys didn't think to get 4 wheel drive vehicles for Minnesota in January. They didn't think about other uses of the word officer in resumes, they abandoned a vehicle with operations documents in it, at least one idiot locked his keys in the car, and another left his car in gear and had to go running down the street after it. They are inept.

AZJonnie

(2,894 posts)
25. He did let himself be hit, in fact he appears to lean into the path of the vehicle
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 08:51 PM
7 hrs ago

Obviously she was moving quite slowly and there was no actual injury. More like "bumped".

Roxi

(2,201 posts)
14. He knew what he was doing
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 07:32 PM
9 hrs ago

And it’s obvious he felt absolutely no remorse for his actions.

Executing her was not a mistake made in the heat of the moment. He wanted her dead, and he made absolutely sure she died. His buddies refusing to allow the doctor to try and treat her? Just another fact supporting the idea that this was deliberate.

The immediate support from Noem and Vance just adds to the narrative that they wanted to kill someone like Renee to advance their plan to inflict suffering upon us all.

flashman13

(2,073 posts)
15. Just from watching what occured the whole thing reeked of premeditation from the very beginning.
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 07:39 PM
9 hrs ago

Everything you just told me about the man makes premeditation more plausible. Even his misadventure in Bloomington in 2025 gives him the cover of, "I feared for my life" defense.

Zackzzzz

(277 posts)
24. I read that somehow he tased the driver, twice, back in 2025.
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 08:41 PM
8 hrs ago

Who knows if that driver was conscious while driving.

flashman13

(2,073 posts)
29. That could explain the whole dragging incident. When tased the whole body convulses so the drive could have lost all
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 09:45 PM
7 hrs ago

motor control and just floored the accelerator. You would think Ross would have understood the danger of tasering someone in a running car.

2na fisherman

(249 posts)
19. Cover Story Wearing Thin
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 07:56 PM
8 hrs ago

Yes it is suspicious. Ross does seem to have little public biographical information available and the crime scene cover-up speaks volumes. He's apparently gone into hiding with the aid of the Feds. But he doesn't seem like a deep cover agent provocateur capable of pulling off "Operation Martial Law." Military experience is very different than civilian law enforcement. I think he got his career with ICE by being the best of the worst. Even his firearms training role seems odd because the killing video shows him first firing his weapon in the direction of his partner at the car door endangering him. And there was a statement made that he was in the hospital for "internal bleeding" sustained as a result of being hit by Good's car. Yet no medical personnel or records can corroborate this allegation. And he was walking fine after the shooting. Or if he was bleeding, if it was due to a pre-existing condition like a bleeding ulcer caused by too much alcohol abuse. I don't think any toxicology tests were done on him following the fatal shooting. Just sayin'.

Skittles

(169,762 posts)
21. ironic his life was disrupted and he is in hiding
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 08:02 PM
8 hrs ago

since that is what he was doing to others for a living

Joinfortmill

(20,175 posts)
22. Thanks for this, very informative.
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 08:05 PM
8 hrs ago

One thing is for certain, he was well trained and experienced, which means he DELIBERATELY shot her in the face THREE times. That's MURDER.

wiggs

(8,699 posts)
23. Tragic we have to include these theories when dealing with this WH. But, there is no bottom. nt
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 08:25 PM
8 hrs ago

Zackzzzz

(277 posts)
26. When I saw the film, I thought I was watching a nature film.
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 09:06 PM
7 hrs ago

I hadn't really watched the guys on the left,
but your right to think they were drawing her attention
from her attacker. They were in pack mentality mode.
He was stalking her with HIS private camera. Why?

Also, what I saw was her back up so when she went forward, she wouldn't hit him.

eppur_se_muova

(41,060 posts)
28. Neighbors said he told them he was a botanist -- maybe some amateur "undercover agent" delusions ? nt
Thu Jan 15, 2026, 09:31 PM
7 hrs ago
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