Well Tr**p Got The Permission He Was Seeking So He Could Declare Martial Law....

[global1]

Last night a number of talking heads predicted that Tr**p was going to invoke Martial Law.

Tr**p hearing this said to himself - "If that's what their saying I'm gonna do - then I might as well do it. They're giving me permission."

So watch for it - cause it's coming soon from him.

That's how he gets most of his insane ideas. From the talking heads that predict his behavior.

He figures if he doesn't go along with their predictions - they'll think less of him. They want me to do it. So he does.

So thank you talking heads. Your the people that gave us our worst president ever.

[Javaman]

1. this is the plan to stop the midterms.

I have been saying since the first day he was reselected, there won't be midterms.

[OldBaldy1701E]

2. Yes, but we are all 'crazy' and 'overreacting' and 'not being objective' and all the other reasons.

Time will tell, I guess.

[Fiendish Thingy]

3. Nationwide martial law is a physical impossibility

Don’t buy into the mythology, and always remember this one absolute truth:

Trump is not omnipotent, and the states and the people are not powerless

Reality check: no midterms = no congress = no budget, no increase in the debt ceiling, American dollar becomes worthless, and the economy collapses.

Not to mention numerous states without governors, a third of the senate gone, etc.

It’s always important to think through dystopian fantasies to their logical consequences before predicting them with such certainty.

[Javaman]

5. never said anything about martial law. nt

[Fiendish Thingy]

22. You agreed with the OP, that martial law was the plan to cancel the midterms

If that wasn’t the message you wanted to convey, you should edit or clarify your post.

My apologies if I misunderstood, but that is how your post reads to me.

[Javaman]

23. I agree that there is a plan to cancel the midterms

but martial law won't be employed

[Fiendish Thingy]

25. Think it through to the end result

Cancelling midterms means 2027 starts with no House of Representatives, zero.

A third of the senate gone

Many states without governors or legislatures

No functioning Congress = no budget, no lifting the debt ceiling, total government shutdown, collapse of the economy.

And that is without answering the critical question: just how would Trump cancel 50 elections in 50 states?

[Javaman]

28. after everything that has happened so far

everything the orange asshole has done illegally, by passing congress and the supremes left and right.

do you honestly believe he's going to now suddenly pay attention to procedure? or rules?

he has his very own private army now in ice with a budget of 28 billion dollars.

he doesn't have to do it in all 50 states, just enough to cast doubt and create chaos.

it's not the method, but the end result he cares about.

we all here in the United States (such it is) have to shed any notion of things being normal this coming (hopefully) election are gone.

it's very simple math. he loses the house and or the senate, he's impeached and maybe even prison. (people this nation will have run out of fucks by then and will demand prison time)

do you honestly believe he wants to live his very biggest fear? being held accountable and go to jail?

these coming midterms are going to be fucked up, really fucked up. and I still maintain, something around September will happen, at the hand of miller, to make that happen to either cancel them or make them a complete mess.

[Fiendish Thingy]

31. It's not as simple as you imagine it might be

I agree their will be plenty of ratfuckery and shenanigans, but cancelling elections involves much more than just deploying ICE to polling places (which would be blocked by a court injunction, that believe it or not, Trump would obey)

Even with his private gestapo, Trump doesn’t have the resources to prevent the Blue Tsunami coming in November.

Reminder: elections were held during every war, including the civil war and after 9/11.

You still haven’t considered either the pushback from the courts, the states and the people, nor the consequences of having no congress in 2027.

[questionseverything]

34. You still act like you think he is trying to do good, he's not

He’s basically trying to end our experiment in democracy by ruining everything, including the dollar as world currency

[democratsruletheday]

46. You NAILED it FT......

no time to shrivel up and/or give up. He's weaker than EVER and so is MAGA. That's not my opinion, just go out and talk to people. He's only popular with the lunatic fringe. He can't and won't "stop the midterms". Absolutely not gonna happen folks but if it makes you feel better to spew rhetoric with no basis in fact, have at it. Won't change the fact he and his minions are circling the drain and dying a slow death.

[leftstreet]

6. How would that stop them?

People keep saying this, but I don't get it

[Javaman]

7. how did he attack Venezuela without congressional approval? nt

[leftstreet]

10. Not sure how that's related n/t

[Javaman]

11. it's completely related.

how did he do it?

[leftstreet]

13. States run elections, not Trump

Trump didn't need approval from the states to kidnap another country's sovereign leader

[Javaman]

17. close

he did it because he thought he could. That's the over arching narrative

the gop congress sat on their hands then gave him permission after the fact.

he cares nothing for the states or states rights. He thinks he's the state (hat tip to Louis the 15th). and it doesn't matter if he stops all the state elections, he has to just prevent enough of them.

he has a private army now in ice.

you think he's going to waste them? the killing and beating protesters are just the warm up.

as I said to my wife when she asked me, "how much worse can it get?" I responded, "oh so very much worse. this is just the warm up".

[leftstreet]

18. Okay n/t

[Fiendish Thingy]

27. That still doesn't answer HOW elections would be cancelled in all 50 states

Walk us through how you imagine it would unfold, and be sure to include considerations for pushback from the courts (which he has obeyed most of the time), the states, and the people.

[Javaman]

30. I guess you missed this part...

"he cares nothing for the states or states rights. He thinks he's the state (hat tip to Louis the 15th). and it doesn't matter if he stops all the state elections, he has to just prevent enough of them."

he has to create enough chaos to declare a state of emergency.

but that's if we even make it to the midterms.

I think he and his private 28 billion dollar private ICE army will do something sometime in sept or oct.

don't get me wrong, I truly hope with every single fiber of my being that I am completely wrong and will admit to it gladly.

but we are dealing with an arrogant psychopath.

[Fiendish Thingy]

32. He has been stopped numerous times

If he is the omnipotent dictator who seem to think he is, then why is Kilmer Garcia free on US soil, and why weren’t troops deployed to Chicago or Portland?

If he doesn’t care about courts or laws, then why does he obey the courts most of the time?

[VMA131Marine]

33. Trump cannot cancel any elections in states

Unless the states themselves go along with an order from Trump to not hold them. I could see Texas doing this but it would be stupid.

What Trump could do is physically prevent senators and representatives from entering the U.S. Capitol to do business. This would be illegal but he controls enough force to do it or he burns down the Capitol and blames it on an undocumented immigrant …

[questionseverything]

35. The court ruled the Epstein stuff should be released over 3 weeks ago, it hasn't happened

[Fiendish Thingy]

26. Command of the executive branch is not equivalent to control of 50 state governments. Nt

[ScratchCat]

15. Ask yourself this one question

First, pick the "Trumpiest" State you can think of.

Now, ask yourself, is that State going to - somehow - agree to not hold elections and therefore lose its US Senate and House seats, have numerous vacancies in its State Senate and House, possibly have no Governor, have no Constitutional officers in every county in the State..... of course not.

There is no mechanism for the Executive Branch to stop the 50 States from holding elections, and there is not one State which could or would agree(they are bound by their own State Constitutions).

[leftstreet]

16. Can you imagine millionaire Senators rolling over?

[Javaman]

19. see my answer to the other poster. nt

[EX500rider]

43. Because under the War Powers Act he has the power

It requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of deploying troops into hostilities and mandates withdrawal within 60-90 days if Congress doesn't authorize the action

[stopdiggin]

4. Nope. There is little evidence of a feedback loop

involved in the vast majority of Trump's actions. Maggot brain has his own fantasies and motivations.

[LymphocyteLover]

8. One of his former DHS officials, Miles Taylor, was on Jen Psaki's show last night talking about how the hellbeast

was constantly trying to find ways to use the insurrection act, because someone told him that that is when the president has maximum power to do what he wants. So I'm sure he's dying to do this. It makes perfect sense.

[global1]

12. It Was That Interview With Taylor That Motivated My Original Post......nt

[Initech]

9. What a truly evil, sadistic psychopath we have in charge.

Fuck him. Fuck the people who still support him. We are in hell.

[Justice matters.]

14. Pedo emulates Putin's 'model' of governing.

In ancient times, it would be akin to King George's 'model' of governing.

[Initech]

20. If we were in normal times, we'd be banding together to bomb Putin back to the stone ages.

But these are not normal times. Putin needs the same treatment we gave Hitler.

[bluestarone]

21. The only questions i have on elections are

1)Is there any way TSF (with help from his RETHUG congress people) tie up the DATES of counting electoral votes?) 2) Could RED states some how seek recounts that could postpone count totals? 3) Could RED states do things after election or just before elections that could tie up courts? 4) Can Supreme court interfere? Got anymore out there? Feel free to ask them here.

[Fiendish Thingy]

29. Answers:

1) nope
2) state recounts are typically triggered by state law when a margin is razor thin, like 0.5% or less. Otherwise, candidates have to foot the bill.
3) possibly, but only in their own states
4) possibly, but only on a race by race basis if someone who has standing files suit and their lawyer is willing to risk disbarment- remember both lower courts and SCOTUS refused to hear numerous 2020 election denial cases due to either lack of standing or lack of evidence. The few that were heard were dismissed and the lawyers faced legal and professional consequences.

[bluestarone]

36. Can i go a little further here?

Ok so on num 1 could depend on the answers to the other questions? For instance on num. 2. IF red states KNOW they pay for recounts,and are 100% willing to have them, could that outcome go to Supreme court for final ruling? On Num. 3 If red states intentionally unlawful could THAT tie up final electoral voting time? Same with num. 4 here. I KNOW they are willing to do ILLEGAL things intentionally. Can ANYTHING, and I mean anything change that date and time of Electoral votes casting?

[Fiendish Thingy]

37. Hmmm

Your reply wasn’t quite clear to me but I’ll try to answer:

The answer to #1 is unequivocally no, under any circumstances

Each state has laws regarding recounts, how a state funded recounts are triggered, and under what conditions a candidate may seek, at their own cost, a recount. A candidate could challenge any recount in court, but unless it is closer than a couple of dozen votes, unlikely to change the outcome.

3&4- a single state, or even a group of states could not force other states to change the date of their elections, and probably couldn’t change the date of their own, since it is black letter law. Some governors/SOS’s have ordered polls to remain open past normal closing time when they have run out of ballots, had bomb threats,etc. - that’s about the only change to the hours of the election I can think of.

Hope this is helpful.

[bluestarone]

38. TYVM! for the responses.

[Fiendish Thingy]

39. Glad I could help

We have to prepare for chicanery, but never relinquish our membership in the reality based community.

[onenote]

41. +1 and TY

[democratsruletheday]

47. Listen and rally around posters and Dems like FT folks.....

this person is logical, reasoned, intelligent and most importantly....right. Don't give up and don't give in.

[Fiendish Thingy]

48. Thanks for your support!

I’ve found a number of like minded progressives in my 20+ years at DU, but my outspoken nature has also been a source of friction with those who prefer recreational outrage and doomerism to reasoned resistance.

C’et la vie…

[calimary]

40. Unfortunately, we HAVE TO think this way if we're gonna thwart his ambitions.

AND foul up his plans for what I’m convinced is world domination. Or anything g close to that.

We HAVE TO.

[B.See]

44. Some seem hell-bent on

lulling us asleep to the worst possibilities.

If I had a dime for everything Trump couldn't POSSIBLY do because.. "gross usurpation of power" yada...

We have good cause for alarm, I think. And personally, I resent being told otherwise.

[global1]

24. We Learned And Got Under His Skin - By Somebody Calling Him A 'Pedo Protector'........

With knowing that that pissed him off - any subsequent protest or opportunity to have signs displayed with that moniker printed on them - would just tick him off to no end.

Any protest marches should also utilized that language in chants and public address system shouts - calling him a 'pedo protector'.

We got to continually get under his skin - because as a bully - he can't take it.

Maybe he'll even stop making public appearances.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

42. Hey, it's the end of the world again?

I thought it ended last week.

[EX500rider]

45. No, no, the SKY IS FALLING!! nt

[Norbert]

49. He can't organize a cook out on the South Lawn

How is he going to have an entire country under martial law? Even some of the diehard MAGA will be jumping ship.