There are three bits of information I have been able to glean through all of the noise today.

[flashman13]

First: There are far more American wounded casualties than the DoD has admitted to. The number could be as high as 150. Of course if they are lying about wounded, they are almost certainly lying about killed as well. They are lying to us again as usual. No surprise there.

Second: Trump's flunky son-in-law negotiator Kushner approached the Iranians about some sort cease fire or deescalation. They told him no (or maybe HELL NO). Why would they agree? They are winning militarily and psychologically. This will end on their terms, not Trump's. This will become the greatest humiliation ever to befall any American President.

Three: The Iranians have announced that they are going to focus their retaliation entirely on Israel. I think for the most part Israeli air defenses have been depleted. The Israelis are doing their best to cover it up, but it looks like Iranian missiles and drones are hitting Tel Aviv and the rest of the country at will. The Israeli people aren't stupid. They do know that Bibi is responsible for this fiasco. I would guess his and his governments days in office are numbered. Unless he makes a run for it he will be in a jail cell soon.

Trump will have to do one of two things. He will have to unilaterally back down or go full scorched earth on the Iranians. If he ops for alternative two, the Iranians will go full scorched earth on the entire middle east. They could essentially shut down oil production for a very extended period of time. The implications for the world economy would be nothing less than a major disaster. We are talking about a world wide super depression. We, U.S.A., will pay an extremely heavy price for electing lunatic President.

[flashman13]

1. I botched the send button. My appologies.

[snot]

2. Imho,

your summary may be somewhat overly optimistic.

[flashman13]

3. I was trying not to sound too hyperbolic. You could be correct.

[debsy]

4. If that's optimistic...

… I do not want to see where we wind up if the pessimistic road is the one we take.

[flashman13]

6. Nor do I.

[OldBoss]

5. 1991 Deja Vu ...

Iraq burned down 100’s of Kuwaiti oil drills on the way out.

Kuwait Oil Fires
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwaiti_oil_fires

And Haliburton made billions in its wake!

[canetoad]

7. Proves the adage correct

"The first casualty of war is the truth."

[babylonsister]

8. The Iranians are laying bombs in Strait of Hormuz.

I can't remember the name of them but I think they're on the sea floor. And I have no idea who they're trying to dissuade. I tune in in the pm, so am catching up.

[Dr. T]

20. I believe "mine" is the name of the bomb.

And I believe they are put into the water and use magnetism to attach themselves to ships.

[rampartd]

22. thy use magnetism

or any of several other sensors , acoustic comes to mind, to trigger the explosion.

[ananda]

9. K & R

Very good summation.. though
also very sad and disturbing for
so many, including us.

[chowmama]

10. IIRC, during the Vietnam 'police action" (and I was in high school and college then)

You'd be closer if you just moved the decimal point. Upwards for our casualties and downwards for theirs.

I'm betting that's still true.

[llmart]

12. I was actually surprised that he showed up when they unloaded the caskets the other day or that it was televised.

If you remember, Dubya (another cowardly draft dodger) wouldn't allow the caskets to be shown.

[chowmama]

13. Yeah, but he schlumped forward like a teenager

that had just been informed that he had to go talk to Great-Aunt Martha till dinner.

[llmart]

14. That's his normal look.

[leftstreet]

11. DURec

[RussBLib]

15. only the first one is really bad

...I just knew there had to be lots of wounded, but they were saying nothing, and I suppose our "press" didn't press very hard for info, if at all. I feel bad for all those well-meaning soldiers who were doing their duty. Unfortunately, their orders were coming from madmen.

As for #2, Trump deserves some intense humiliation, as do his supporters. No doubt some of us well-meaning people will suffer at the same time.

And #3, I will cry no tears for Bibi Netanyahu. He should have been jailed long ago, a lot like Trump. Again, lots of innocent civilians are caught up in the slaughter, and whose fault is that?

Your last point is too dark, and it assumes there will be no one in Trump's circle and no one in Bibi's circle that can talk some sense into them. It might look that way now, but everything is subject to change. No one is invincible.

https://russblib.blogspot.com

[Pepsidog]

16. Trump ruins everything he touches. This war will be another Trump failure, regrettably.

[Martin68]

17. Interesting theories. It will be interesting if they are supported by further information.

[EdmondDantes_]

18. Hard to say Iran is winning based on the information we have

When your leadership gets killed it's hard to say you're winning. And their attempts at retaliation are upsetting their neighbors.

I think like most wars, there aren't any real winners, just dead soldiers and civilians, a lot of damage, and wasted money.

[WarGamer]

19. The combat ability of the Iranians at this point is minimal...

I wouldn't lose sleep worrying about the Iranians.

Their missile supply dwindles daily and most of their launches are lightly armed drones.

[GusBob]

21. This sounds more accurate, yes

They may try to drag the conflict on would be my guess, drag out the cost of munitions and price of oil on us

I don’t see them capitulating to a full surrender

[druidity33]

23. You don't think there's a LIHOP or MIHOP

on the horizon then?

[flashman13]

24. I believe that is a gross underestimation of Iran's capabilities. They haven't shown a fraction of their weaponry.

They have been preparing for this attack for decades. Killing the leadership on day one had no real effect. There is no shortage of radical mullahs and capable military commanders. In fact, it was probably a big major mistake because we killed the one leader that was opposed to building nuclear weapons. I don't think his son shares that reluctance.

We have a long history of underestimating our foes going all the way back to the Japanese prior to the start of WWII, the Chinese in Korea, the Vietnamese, and Iraq.

Remember that you can't believe a thing you hear from Trump and company. If you want the real skinny on what is going on from someone with sufficient credentials to have an opinion, check out Malcolm Nance, Black Man Spy. He does a daily deep dive in to the situation. I will attach yesterday's video.

&t=1844s

[Danascot]

25. In addition I worry about retaliation by the Iranians

in the form of terrorist attacks against the USA, Israel, Europe and anyone else they think is against them.

[flashman13]

26. American intelligence has sent alerts to local authorities across the country warning that Iran

has activated sleeper cells here in the U.S. and probably other countries as well.

Your concern is fully justified.

[vapor2]

27. Heard that Bibi is in Germany. Can anyone verify?

Jared needs to butt out of foreign affairs