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William Lawrence, a progressive running in the Democratic primary for the U.S. House in Michigan, is responding to backlash over his previous criticism of Black political leaders.
The Huffington Post on Saturday published Lawrences comments from a 2024 episode of his podcast, in which the Democrat accused some Black lawmakers of being a pillar, frankly, for establishment, capitalist, imperialist American power.
Its a big problem for left politics in this country, and it gets us every single time, Lawrence said in the episode. It really defangs the white left and puts us in impossible positions, really.
The Democratic candidate addressed this comment in a social media statement on Saturday, saying his words were taken out of context. The way I made this point was clumsy, and I regret my choice of words, he said. I understand the potential impact when received out of context. The way the story is being reported does not reflect my beliefs.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5964228-progressive-house-candidate-responds-to-criticism-over-past-comments-about-black-dems/
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The HuffPo story includes the full quote in context:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/surging-progressive-once-said-black-democratic-leaders-defang-the-white-left_n_6a51a01ae4b084b03f7f0f6d
lapucelle
(21,399 posts)Cha
(321,820 posts)for his stupid remarks.
lapucelle
(21,399 posts)
sheshe2
(99,260 posts)Um-kay. The old "taken out of context" canard.
lapucelle
(21,399 posts)Internal memos show that activists of color within the Sunrise Movement have privately alleged mistreatment for years as the climate group publicly fought for racial justice.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zahrahirji/sunrise-movement-climate-change-black-activists
fujiyamasan
(2,243 posts)Thanks for posting this
mcar
(46,736 posts)Always the same stupid excuses.
MustLoveBeagles
(18,670 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(27,490 posts)lapucelle
(21,399 posts)I'll give you that.
Its a big problem for left politics in this country. And it gets us every single time. It really defangs the white left and puts us in impossible positions, really.
yardwork
(70,231 posts)This kid complaining about older Black politicians and throwing all these catch phrases at them, when he has absolutely no clue what they endured and fought to achieve.
The people he's complaining about literally saved our democracy, for all of us.
It's almost hard to get mad at him. I feel like laughing at the little toddler who learned big words from bad influences.
I hope he loses his primary, returns to grassroots activism, and learns more. I'm sure he's a decent person who can learn and grow.
WhiskeyGrinder
(27,490 posts)riffing on a podcast by himself. He was in conversation with Khury Petersen-Smith, a young Black activist who responded with the quote you've posted with this:
He is a conduit and a voice for a kind of democratic party version of the anti immigrant politics. Its a disaster. So thats a reality. And then theres this, the question of the kind of traditional or legacy organizations of the Civil Rights movement, which and there has been, theres less of a conversation about it now, but earlier in the Black Lives Matter experience, there was a conversation about tensions between the keep in mind or, lets remember that Black Lives Matter emerged under Obama actually, right?
It's like, Trayvon Martin was murdered under Obama.
There are young/old and progressive/centrist splits in most movements and factions right now, and when it comes to the movements of people who have been dealing with different oppressions on top of straight Democratic politics, it's even more complicated. The debate about "respectability politics" in Black circles is a big one. That's what this discussion was about.
BannonsLiver
(21,212 posts)JustAnotherGen
(38,258 posts)Determines one's perspective I guess.
AloeVera
(4,777 posts)What do these two have in common politically? Hmmm....let's see.
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lapucelle
(21,399 posts)sheshe2
(99,260 posts)MorbidButterflyTat
(5,083 posts)MineralMan
(152,164 posts)JustAnotherGen
(38,258 posts)What this is about -
But Platner should be a cautionary tale for all Far Leftists.
lapucelle
(21,399 posts)and then apologized when they got caught.
Boo1
(778 posts)why does a that common politic keep having issues with black people and jews.
mcar
(46,736 posts)Another white male progressive with red flags.
AloeVera
(4,777 posts)mcar
(46,736 posts)AloeVera
(4,777 posts)RandySF
(88,649 posts)DSA=AOK. You can say and do whatever you want just like Republicans.
Sympthsical
(11,369 posts)Israel is the only issue, always and forever. Sure, there's a lot of crossover with the DSA - they unfortunately attract a type that confounds many of their issues I support.
But people who bounced into online existence on October 8th don't give a shit about progressivism. Just find the candidate who hates Israel most.
I'll admit, I was hoping for more subtlety than how unabashed it is. Clearly there are background J . . . sorry, Zionists . . . concocting scandals as we speak.
I saw people on Reddit asking if Platner's accuser was a Zionist. That is the world we live in now.
Behind the Aegis
(56,359 posts)...Well, I am guessing, with the exception of a few, going after Black Democratic voters will be a non-starter. I could be wrong, especially how quickly some jettisoned "Believe Women".
Our tribe has been busy this week, I am sure you heard Mossad Agent, Lionel Messi, was involved thru the direction of the Zionist entity, Israel, to allow Argentina to defeat Egypt in the Copa Mundial. And, no, I am NOT kidding!
Sympthsical
(11,369 posts)There are people in Egypt who are completely bugfuck about Messi.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/lionel-messis-ostensibly-controversial-history-with-jewish-and-israeli-life-spoiler-hes-catholic/
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sheshe2
(99,260 posts)Hmmm.
mcar
(46,736 posts)sheshe2
(99,260 posts)AloeVera
(4,777 posts)Lawrence calls for a weapons embargo on Israel - no more military sales to Israel. Not just the elimination of taxpaxer-funded military aid. An embargo. Just like Platner.
What are you referring to?
lapucelle
(21,399 posts)yardwork
(70,231 posts)Quiet Em
(3,370 posts)But most people who are Democratic or left leaning are also not defending rapists and racists running for office in our own country either.
yardwork
(70,231 posts)AloeVera
(4,777 posts)I am opposed to actual racism not a manufactured one to score political points against a perceived threat.
yardwork
(70,231 posts)Meanwhile, who is opposing Russia's attacks on Ukrainian children?
Who is opposing attacks on children in Africa?
Do you agree that the U.S. should stay completely out of foreign defense? Let bullies attack any country they want?
If so, what about the U.S. government's attack on brown children via ICE? Should we speak up about that?
betsuni
(29,539 posts)Quiet Em
(3,370 posts)Cha
(321,820 posts)asked him to step aside.
What's Lawrence got to do with that?
AloeVera
(4,777 posts)EX500rider
(12,875 posts)RandySF
(88,649 posts)Quiet Em
(3,370 posts)Why do flawed men like this keep getting propped up? Who's behind it?
AloeVera
(4,777 posts)And on it goes.
Sigh.
Have at it, I'm going to sleep.
Quiet Em
(3,370 posts)He's more than flawed.
That's the nicest thing I can say .
Quiet Em
(3,370 posts)betsuni
(29,539 posts)Quiet Em
(3,370 posts)I can't take it seriously anymore. It's a very poor excuse for pushing bullshit at this point.
I don't know anyone who doesn't feel sympathy for Palestinians but also is ok with rapists and racists.
betsuni
(29,539 posts)Gaza (warmongers! immoral! AIPAC!)
Campaign contributions (corrupt! corporatist! can't be progressive because bought! PAC PAC PAC AIPAC!)
Medicare for All (against universal health care! corrupt! immoral! want people to die in gutter alone! AIPAC!)
The attackers say it's all about economic issues and pretend there's a huge ideological gap between them and the Democratic Party but they campaign negatively, attacking the character of Democrats. Not about policy because there are no policy goal differences.
Recently heard the progressive establishment doing the very old Democrats-corrupt-becuase-they-use-money-for-campaigns routine and notice it now includes consultants in with all other corrupting influences. Thought of political consultant Tad Devine and his $5 million payout working for a certain campaign.
yardwork
(70,231 posts)Keep asking where the money comes from.
Keep asking why these "activists" never ever mention Ukraine.
LexVegas
(6,982 posts)lapucelle
(21,399 posts)PufPuf23
(10,066 posts)LeftInTX
(35,223 posts)He has about the same chance that Maureen Galindo had of winning a general election.
Galindo was funded by the GOP and the GOP was caught.
The GOP wanted Galindo. However, prior to the revelations about the GOP and her crazy antisemitism, all sorts of Democrats were endorsing Maureen.
I bet this guy is funded by the GOP too.
Sex therapist accused of antisemitism loses Democratic runoff for Texas House seat
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/05/26/garcia-wins-texas-house-runoff-00937479
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mcar
(46,736 posts)What. The. Fuck?
lapucelle
(21,399 posts)mcar
(46,736 posts)Haven't they suffered enough?
Cha
(321,820 posts)Planter for major victimhood.
Or not!
betsuni
(29,539 posts)Pessimism and anger about economic status and the government. Blaming liberal Democrats. The populist alliance that will bring on the revolution.
Boo1
(778 posts)the far left and right have more in common with each other than the middle.
It's just like MAGA. The candidate hates the same people they hate, so whatever else they do is fine.
lapucelle
(21,399 posts)Unlike Platner, whose racism is odiously casual, Lawrence's racism is deliberative and thought through.
In Platner, we had a pompous ass playing into a racist stereotype. In Lawrence we have a pseudo-intellectual aggrieved white savior dismissing the legacy, agency, intellect, and hard fought victories of Black Democratic leaders because those Black leaders present an imagined obstacle for white people like him.
But in the end, both Platner and Lawrence are so racist that they don't even think they being racist when they say racist things.
yardwork
(70,231 posts)Lawrence co-founded the Sunrise Movement, which started out focused on environmentalism and justice. I think the kid was sincere.
But in the past ten years - paralleling Trump's rise to power - all these grass-roots organizations started acting different. They got bigger, fast. Their attention turned away from activism focused on their own communities and became focused on things that benefit Vlad Putin and other billionaires.
It's pretty easy to connect the dots. The money came from somewhere and it wasn't $5 donations. I think that most of the candidates running under these flags don't even know how their organizations have been taken over. I'm sure they they would be indignant at the suggestion.
But if we step back and look at the overall pattern it seems clear to me.
One marker: for all the calls we hear against Israel, how often do we hear complaints about Russian attacks on Ukraine? Crickets. Who does that benefit?
lapucelle
(21,399 posts)It's eye-opening.
Internal memos show that activists of color within the Sunrise Movement have privately alleged mistreatment for years as the climate group publicly fought for racial justice.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zahrahirji/sunrise-movement-climate-change-black-activists
Skittles
(173,949 posts)seriously
yardwork
(70,231 posts)We owe them everything.
MustLoveBeagles
(18,670 posts)Skittles
(173,949 posts)and they STOOD ALONE
MustLoveBeagles
(18,670 posts)Skittles
(173,949 posts)I was SO impressed - and they were SO RIGHT, LOOK WHERE WE ARE NOW
betsuni
(29,539 posts)Voting against their economic class interests (crafty Democrats fool them with identity politics). Maybe it's something like that. There was an infamous post here.
sheshe2
(99,260 posts)Remember him? He was a racist SOB.
betsuni
(29,539 posts)Garbage is too often quite popular.
sheshe2
(99,260 posts)I heard it said that one keeps making his way back here.
MineralMan
(152,164 posts)Nope. I notice, though, that you and I are still here, and he is not.
sheshe2
(99,260 posts)though it was not for the lack of trying.
electric_blue68
(28,151 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 12, 2026, 12:10 AM - Edit history (2)
Consideing....
Black politicians have had to fight over many decades to gain power by seniority or just to get elected.
The first defanging of the VRA in '11, or '13 by taking away the requirement that several troublesome States had to submit their redistricting maps for approval.
Now the full evisceration of the VRA just recently which had several Southern [surprise!] States to jump up and in one try to eliminate a second Black representated district, and orher stuff to eliminate Black representation in States where they are 30% - 40% of the population?
And why be going after Black officials when some white politicians have the same?
[corrected typo, and gramnar]
MustLoveBeagles
(18,670 posts)I'm in no mood to give the benefit of the doubt. The full quote doesn't make it any better. This comment is appalling period.
Skittles
(173,949 posts)if there is a lesson to be learned, it is this: WHEN PEOPLE SHOW YOU WHO THEY ARE, BELIEVE THEM
MustLoveBeagles
(18,670 posts)Then it blew up in my face. I'm learning to trust my instincts.
niyad
(135,847 posts)offensive. Clumsy?? No. Stream of consciousness, perhaps.
Seriously, thank goodness people like him write what they actually think, so that it can, one hopes, bite them in the ass.
Skittles
(173,949 posts)niyad
(135,847 posts)LeftInTX
(35,223 posts)Both are saying this same kind of stuff today!
The winner of this primary will be trying to unseat a Republican.
Lawrence can't win in the general.
He has two primary opponents.
I hope voters use common sense. This guy sounds like another Maureen Galindo.
Fortunately, she lost her primary.
She would have probably gotten like 20% in the general.
Sex therapist accused of antisemitism loses Democratic runoff for Texas House seat
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/05/26/garcia-wins-texas-house-runoff-00937479
MorbidButterflyTat
(5,083 posts)WTF.
How very progressive of him.
sarisataka
(23,257 posts)that so many Progressive candidates keep saying un-progressive things.
Cha
(321,820 posts)to be known? Addressed as the "White left"?
RandySF
(88,649 posts)yardwork
(70,231 posts)Complaining that Black voters keep white people from achieving their goals is.... a very familiar complaint but one we usually hear from MAGA.
AloeVera
(4,777 posts)I want to address a comment of mine from two years ago that was reported today in the Huffington Post and has raised some concern. My words are being taken out of context and weaponized by my political opponents, and I want to set the record straight.
In 2024 I hosted a podcast series examining the disastrous history of US war and interventionism abroad, and how we can change it. This was prompted by my horror at the genocide in Gaza, which was and is supported by US weapons and tax dollars. Saying no to war is one of the core reasons for my run for Congress.
The episode reported today was an interview with a Black anti-war organizer about his vital work to organize Black Americans against the genocide. Because this episode was specifically focused on anti-war politics within the Black community, I noted that Black elected leaders in DC have been among those supporting unnecessary US wars and foreign intervention.
The way I made this point was clumsy, and I regret my choice of words. I understand the potential impact when received out of context. The way the story is being reported does not reflect my beliefs.
Allow me to clarify what I believe.
Black Americans are and have been at the forefront of the fight to realize the very best American ideals of freedom and justice for all. As a community organizer, I have been deeply inspired by the Black liberation struggle, and I've been blessed to study with elders including the late Rev James Lawson. Many Black elected leaders have also been among our strongest opponents to war, like when Rep Barbara Lee was the lone vote against authorizing the global war on terror in 2001.
That said, national elected leaders across race, ethnicity, age and gender have been supporters of unnecessary US wars. This poses a challenge to the anti-war movement.
Americans of all races and ages must work together to advance peace. Until we do, our resources will go to fund war and genocide abroad, rather than investing in affordable housing and healthcare, or closing the racial wealth gap. Our priorities as a nation are upside down, and I will continue to work closely with Black community leaders, and all people, to set our priorities straight.
Hes not making it better.
yardwork
(70,231 posts)Now he says "Americans of all races and ages must work together to advance peace."
That statement is fine. He's opposed to America being involved in foreign wars. That's his right to have that opinion.
But in 2024 he pointedly singled out Black Americans as being in his way, "defanging white activists."
FWIW I think his position of isolationism is not good. I don't agree with it. He sounds like he wants the U.S. to drop military support for Ukraine and I'm totally opposed to that.
If he doesn't mean Ukraine then I'm not sure what else he could possibly be talking about but Israel. He should just come out and say it.
I'm very opposed to this isolationist talk coming from DSA and other self-appointed spokespeople for Democrats.
Cha
(321,820 posts)Insult buzzwords down, but that is all he has.
If his insults were so innocent, why did he "apologize and say he now regrets it"?
Keepthesoulalive
(2,509 posts)Too many will turn their backs on us as soon as some supposed progressive says the things they want to hear. How many times have we been told to not discuss identity politics although they do it all the time. You guys give me hope. Maybe enough people will work with us instead of trying to discard us that we can fix our country but right now I think the far left and the right are starting to merge.
yardwork
(70,231 posts)I will stand with you to hold the line because in my 60+ years in this flawed nation I've noticed that standing with Black Americans is the smartest, safest place to be.
To your last sentence: I think that the activist left and the right are starting to merge because they're funded by the same people. I'll name those people: Putin, Thiel, Musk, Zuckerberg, the Saudi royal family, etc.
The activist left has been co-opted by radical billionaires who are trying to seize control of all the earth's resources. They want total power. They are investing some of their billions to destroy democracy, destroy western alliances that have kept the peace, and destroy the U.S. from within. They are taking away healthcare and medical research. They want us dead.
Most of the people being manipulated by the billionaires don't know it.
The levers being used to manipulate people are racism and antisemitism, old vices that simmer beneath the surface in western culture.
It's clear as day to me.
RandySF
(88,649 posts)He thinks Black members of Congress are Uncle Toms.
Quiet Em
(3,370 posts)No.
Nobody is looking for that.
yardwork
(70,231 posts)awesomerwb1
(5,195 posts)It's amazing how destructive these individuals can be.