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highplainsdem

(53,102 posts)
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 05:00 PM Monday

Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents

Source: Guardian

Spain has announced plans to impose a tax of up to 100% on real estate bought by non-residents from countries outside the EU, such as the UK, in an aim to tackle the country’s housing crisis.

The measure was one of a dozen unveiled Monday by the country’s prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, as the government seeks to quell mounting anger over housing costs that have soared far beyond the reach of many in Spain.

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Sánchez described the tax of up to 100% as “unprecedented” in Spanish history. “Just to give an idea, in 2023 alone non-European Union residents bought around 27,000 houses and flats in Spain. And they didn’t do it to live in them, they didn’t do it for their families to have a place to live, they did it to speculate, to make money from them, which we – in the context of shortage that we are in – obviously cannot allow.”

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The government’s slate of measures also took aim at tourist flats, which have long been blamed for shrinking the rental supply and leaving locals priced out of the market.

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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/13/spain-proposes-100-tax-on-homes-bought-by-non-eu-residents

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LisaM

(28,837 posts)
1. We have to limit (or eliminate) short term rentals.
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 05:11 PM
Monday

It's a problem in every tourist town. But people like them and don't seem to care how they cut into housing stock or drive up rents.

You can bet if Barcelona handed out 10,000 actual licenses for short term rentals, the actual number was at least three to four times higher.

ExoticMei

(19 posts)
3. New here!
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 05:29 PM
Monday

I am sorry maybe people who own homes, have big savings or have great credit can say that, but at our arbnb we get many families that have had evictions and can't find apartments easily or they can't afford 1st, last and security in south florida. I have also used these short term rentals for a year to wait to save for 3000,00 back in 2014, now its at least 5 grand. Lots of us have this problem. Mayhap arbnb etc needs to be eliminated, not all weekly places. They were around before arbnb and vrbo. A law would make it all go away.

KT2000

(21,031 posts)
4. Can't stand those things
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 05:51 PM
Monday

I live in a neighborhood that was established in 1964. It is a well-maintained neighborhood with a mix of homeowners and long-term renters. We are rural and near the water. The street on the water has motels. We are set back and have enjoyed this neighborhood which includes things such as a yearly neighborhood garage sale, yearly picnic in someone's yard, and the knowledge that in an emergency there are neighbors who will help. When 911 is called and they take a person to the hospital, we know there are people who will lock up the house and take care of the pets.
Short-term rentals destroy all of that. They break apart the very building blocks of society so individuals and investment firms can make money off of the house. They also drive up the cost of housing, creating a shortage.
My neighbor put her home on airbnb for a month. The character of the area changes when there is a steady stream of strangers next door instead of neighbors you know. They are used for parties, vetting is a joke, and management of any nuisance is left to the neighbors and the local sheriff office which is short on staff.

Short-term rentals exploit the efforts of those who make the neighborhood a nice place to live and are left with the prospect of living next door to a motel.

So far the concept of making money has won in the courts over the intangible of living in a safe neighborhood when it comes to regulating. The investment firms have the money to prevail.

ExoticMei

(19 posts)
12. I agree, but
Tue Jan 14, 2025, 02:45 AM
Tuesday

We all know its the big business middleman like arbnb that have super charged it. Our place is very well policed by me, because we have residential neighbors. No parties, no loud noises after 10, but i cut it off at 9pm.

KT2000

(21,031 posts)
15. Please ask
Tue Jan 14, 2025, 01:26 PM
Tuesday

who among those neighbors moved into their homes because they wanted to live next door to a motel? These things destroy neighborhoods and the conviviality and safety. It is not just big business; it is people who read financial newsletters and see a way to make money. They do not even live locally because in this area, they are not appreciated. They do not buy next to their own homes but go to well-maintained older neighborhoods that have not caught up to the exploitation of it and protected themselves.

KT2000

(21,031 posts)
17. I have a strong opinion
Tue Jan 14, 2025, 04:59 PM
Tuesday

that is different than yours. I would hope you would consider the opinions of those neighbors because living next to a motel is very much different than having neighbors. Sorry if that upsets you but we should consider how our actions affect others - even if it means making money.

paleotn

(19,729 posts)
6. Whether visitors like them or not is irrelevant.
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 06:31 PM
Monday

If they're causing a serious problem, regulate them out of existence. Tell people to go find something else to like that's not so destructive.

travelingthrulife

(1,151 posts)
13. We need to end non-citizen ownership of houses and limit people to one home.
Tue Jan 14, 2025, 10:00 AM
Tuesday

The speculators really jacked up the cost of housing with their house flipping mania.

Dumpy

(57 posts)
5. Should put a 100% tax on short term rentals
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 06:02 PM
Monday

Force all vacations out of neighborhoods and back to commercial propteries.

snot

(10,910 posts)
8. I suspect short-term rentals are the least of the problem.
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 07:23 PM
Monday

According to this 2018 article, the top ten biggest property owners in New York City include (among others) Vornado Realty Trust, SL Green Realty, Tishman Speyer Co., Blackstone Group, Related Companies, Brookfield Property Partners, and RXR Realty (see https://ny.curbed.com/2018/9/14/17860172/new-york-10-biggest-property-owners ).

Sociologist Saskia Sassen has done some brilliant work in this area; see, e.g., https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/nov/24/who-owns-our-cities-and-why-this-urban-takeover-should-concern-us-all :

{T}oday, rather than a space for including people from many diverse backgrounds and cultures, our global cities are expelling people and diversity. Their new owners, often part-time inhabitants, are very international – but that does not mean they represent many diverse cultures and traditions. Instead, they represent the new global culture of the successful – and they are astoundingly homogeneous, no matter how diverse their countries of birth and languages. This is not the urban subject that our large, mixed cities have historically produced. This is, above all, a global “corporate” subject.

....Since their beginnings, whether 3,000 years old or 100, cities have kept reinventing themselves, which means there are always winners and losers. Urban histories are replete with accounts of those who were once poor and quasi-outsiders, or modest middle classes, that gained ground – because cities have long accommodated extraordinary variety.

But today’s large-scale corporate buying of urban space in its diverse instantiations introduces a de-urbanising dynamic. It is not adding to mixity and diversity. Instead it implants a whole new formation in our cities – in the shape of a tedious multiplication of high-rise luxury buildings.

This next article begins by studying changes in ownership in New York City's East Village over a twelve-year period and goes on to mention,

The New York Times article “Homes Dark and Lifeless, Kept by Out-of-Towners” describes how some apartments of Manhattan, mostly in wealthier neighborhoods, remain empty throughout most of the year.

“Since 2000, the number of Manhattan apartments occupied by absentee owners and renters swelled by more than 70 percent, to nearly 34,000, from 19,000,...”

and

The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists also touches on the challenge of tax avoidance in “Hidden in Plain Sight: New York Just Another Island Haven” as “high-end New York real estate is an alluring destination for corrupt politicians, tax dodgers and money launderers around the globe” because of “state and local policies that lavish tax breaks on Manhattan’s wealthiest homeowners and federal policies that allow real estate agents to close their eyes to whether their clients are trafficking in illicit money”.

The article also mentions the process of layering: “creating mazes of bank accounts and offshore companies to move and hide money” in which if they “are laid down skillfully, it’s often impossible for authorities to detect flows of illicit cash”. Towers of Secrecy also went through how hard it was to investigate and find out who were the actual people behind the properties. LLCs, even if not created for those specific purposes, becomes a tool for some people to hide their secrets beyond just to remain private. They remain out of sight so their activities do so as well.

More at https://disquemechudo.github.io/who-owns-nyc/data-project-final.html .

Anyway, yay for Spain!

snot

(10,910 posts)
9. I've wondered, btw,
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 07:43 PM
Monday

about the possibility of individual municipalities outlawing or imposing heightened taxes on property and/or business ownership by non-residents (but I have no idea whether this would, e.g., pass constitutional muster).

LisaM

(28,837 posts)
10. Some cities are starting to impose vacancy taxes.
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 10:51 PM
Monday

I don't think Airbnb is the only problem but in small tourist areas it's a huge one. There is enough housing stock. It's just not being allocated fairly.

James48

(4,632 posts)
11. Simply an indication that more building is needed.
Tue Jan 14, 2025, 01:50 AM
Tuesday

If there is more demand than supply, build some.

Much of Europe has vacant buildings. Italy, Sicily, Corsica, Crete all have buildings available for low cost. Yes, they need work, but for a hundred grand or less you can still make a nice home.

LisaM

(28,837 posts)
14. They've been building non stop in Seattle for fifteen years.
Tue Jan 14, 2025, 01:07 PM
Tuesday

Almost everything is small,. expensive apartments, mostly for one person. This is not fulfilling any long term need, middle class is pretty priced out, and the infrastructure is not keeping up with density (which is pretty intolerable if you have to live in it). Yet there are whole houses available all over town as Airbnbs, whole apartment buildings are Airbnbs, and a friend had to move out of her condo because it was full of tourists. This industry needs some serious regulation and limits.

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