Trump envoy: Ukraine could be divided like postwar Berlin

[highplainsdem]

Source: The Times

President Trump’s envoy to Ukraine has said the country could be partitioned “almost like Berlin after World War Two” as part of a peace deal.

General Keith Kellogg, a leading figure in US efforts to end the three-year war, suggested that British and French troops could adopt zones of control in the west of the country as part of a “reassurance force”, with Russia’s army in the occupied east. Between them would be Ukrainian forces and a demilitarised zone.

Kellogg, 80, said the Anglo-French-led force west of the Dnipro river, which bisects Ukraine from north to south and runs through Kyiv, would “not be provocative at all” to Moscow. He said Ukraine was a big enough country to accommodate several armies seeking to enforce a ceasefire.

“You could almost make it look like what happened with Berlin after World War Two, when you had a Russian zone, a French zone, and a British zone, a US zone,” he said.

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Read more: https://www.thetimes.com/us/american-politics/article/keith-kellogg-general-ukraine-envoy-trump-ldjprpzxt

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Fuck, no.

[Marthe48]

1. Partition russia

punish its warmongering.

[Nonnia Bisnez]

2. NO!

Germany deserved to have had its sovereignty curtailed. Ukraine does not.

[nature-lover]

3. But we still get all of their minerals, right?

[muriel_volestrangler]

4. Or like Korea after WW2. That worked just great, didn't it, Kellogg? (nt)

[PortTack]

5. F that! Tsf cronies really have no say anymore. The EU and other freedom loving countries are fully backing Ukraine

[Kid Berwyn]

6. Hitler and Stalin divided Poland.

Putin and Trump want to divide Ukraine.

I'm beginning to sense a pattern.

[Retrograde]

21. And after the war

Stalin took a large chunk of Poland and "gave" it to the Ukraine SSR (the Ukrainian city Lviv used to be the Polish Lwow). He previously deported all the Crimean Tatars to Uzbekistan, at least those he didn't outright kill or starve. Yes, definitely a pattern here.

[Kid Berwyn]

25. Stalin also claimed the Kuril Islands in the closing days of WW2

The USSR had ceded them to Japan in exchange for Japan’s half of Sakhalin Island after WW1.
Like the say about location and valuation: money. And real estate is real property and nations, like people, murder for both.

[Hekate]

7. A new Berlin Wall with guards to shoot people trying to escape? This is incredibly sick-minded.

Restore the Iron Curtain! Those were the good old days! Nuclear deterrence! Doctor Strangelove rides again.

[Cheezoholic]

8. The river is, was and has been for decades the initial objective for the Russians.

Give them the river they take the country.

[HereForTheParty]

9. Hitler and Stalin look up and approve

nm

[turbinetree]

10. Hey dickhead did you ever visit Berlin or Germany during that time.................

your an idiot..............a complete and total idiot...............that needs a rubber helmet to wear..............

[greatauntoftriplets]

26. I spent some time in Berlin in 1971.

The Wall made me sick, as did the fear. We visited East Berlin. The stores' shelves were barely stocked. A hotel where we stopped for lunch was out of food at 1 p.m. There were still many bombed and burned-out buildings, something that you did not see in West Berlin.

[turbinetree]

30. Before the drunk Hegseth has this bit of history removed for that orange hair traitor..........

Video: The Sweet Legacy of a Berlin Airlift Hero

When American and British forces embarked on a massive airlift mission to get food and other needed supplies to West Berliners in 1948, one young U.S. pilot came up with a way to sweeten the operation for German children.

Retired Air Force Col. Gail S. Halvorsen was a 27-year-old lieutenant in Cold War Germany when he noticed the conditions the children of Berlin were living in and wanted to help.

At first, he handed out gum and candy from his ration pack, but then began attaching handkerchief parachutes to chocolate bars and dropping them from his aircraft to the children below.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Feature-Stories/Story/Article/3073227/the-sweet-legacy-of-a-berlin-airlift-hero/#:~:text=Gail%20Halvorsen%2C%20known%20as%20%22Candy,the%20air%20with%20tiny%20parachutes.


I was there in 1961 and I will never forgot my time there.............

[greatauntoftriplets]

31. Of course, I'd seen photos of the Wall.

They didn't fully prepare me for the reality of the thing, or the no-man's land in between. I thought of the courage of everyone who had tried and/or succeeded to cross that to get to freedom. It was sobering, and it made me angry. I was so happy when the damned thing came down in 1989.

I've read the Gail Halvorsen story. He brought a lot of joy to kids during the Airlift. A wonderful man.

[lonely bird]

11. Make Kellogg

Persona non gratis in Ukraine.

Absolute bunch of fucking, gutless imbeciles that fellate Putin.

[sakabatou]

12. I mean, it's not like Russia will just try and take the rest of the country, right?

I fucking hate this administration.

[republianmushroom]

13. Putin could also just be kick out

and leave the territory he is occupying. You know the lines that were agreed upon in the 1990's treaty. Trump and republicans still kissing Putin's ass.

[FakeNoose]

14. NO! Never! Nada! Fu-uu-uu-uck no! NYET!

[blue-wave]

15. Not even if hell freezes over!!!!!

The Holodomor in The Donbas was genocide. The ethnic cleansing of Crimean's from the Crimean Peninsula was genocide. Russia then populated both places with ethnic Russians. Years later, Russia is claiming that it is the Russians in those areas that are suffering. Bullshit!!! We must never reward genocide for any reason.

[Emrys]

16. Kellogg's trying to walk it back, sort of:

[COL Mustard]

29. Hey Keith...

Keep your fat fucking mouth shut. Every time you speak you show that you are dumber than your Orange Overlord.

[LudwigPastorius]

17. Go straight to hell.

Do not pass 'GO'. Do not collect $200.

[Botany]

18. In other words Ukraine will have to surrender part of its land and the Ukrainian Citizens who live on ..

…. that land to Russia.

Non negotiable parts of any peace treaty:

*. Ukraine gets all of its lands back including the Crimea.

*. Ukraine controls what happens to the minerals under its own soil.

*. Russia has to pay for the damages it has caused.

*. Any Russian living on Ukrainian territory prior to 2014 can stay but they have to swear
loyalty to Ukraine.

Until then any Russian or N. Korean soldier on Ukrainian land can either surrender or die.

[Historic NY]

19. They need to get rid of that old fart.....

[Prairie Gates]

20. Disgusting pigs

[DallasNE]

22. Isn't That What Neville Chamberlain Did With Czechoslovakia

And how did that work out?

[Mblaze]

23. I can hear Reagan now

"Mr. Krasnov, build that wall".

[JohnnyRingo]

24. I didn't know there was anyone who thought the Berlin Wall was a good idea.

So the plan for "peace" would be Ukraine ceding their sovereignty to Europe, us, and Russia.
Pretty hollow victory.

[Wonder Why]

28. Partition Kellogg into two parts. See if he likes it.

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