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totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:04 PM Jan 3

Numerous House Democrats Praise Trump's Capture of Maduro: 'Venezuelans Deserve the Promise of Democracy'

Source: Mediaite

Several Democratic politicians celebrated the Trump Administration’s capture of Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro on Saturday, saying it has paved the way for democracy in the socialist country.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) was one of a handful of Florida Democrats who said it was great to see Maduro go.

“The capture of the brutal, illegitimate ruler of Venezuela… is welcome news for my friends and neighbors who fled his violent, lawless, and disastrous rule,” she wrote on X. “However, cutting off the head of a snake is fruitless if it just regrows.”

Read more: https://www.mediaite.com/politics/numerous-house-democrats-praise-trumps-capture-of-maduro-venezuelans-deserve-the-promise-of-democracy/



I disagree with those House Democrats. Have we learned no lessons from the debacles in Iraq and Iran? How many billions is this adventure going to cost the American taxpayers?
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Numerous House Democrats Praise Trump's Capture of Maduro: 'Venezuelans Deserve the Promise of Democracy' (Original Post) totodeinhere Jan 3 OP
I agree with you. And what gives us the right to do this, even if the end is as desirable spooky3 Jan 3 #1
I keep getting flashbacks PatSeg Jan 3 #15
What? BurnDoubt Jan 3 #40
Huh? Wiz Imp Sunday #91
Sound's like she wanted Trump to be even more violent. n/t stevegc Wednesday #115
Wow. Not remotely close to what she was saying... Wiz Imp Wednesday #117
"What's to stop some other nation from violently overthrowing our government?" True Dough Sunday #102
I would never vote for any representative that is ok with this kidnapping and fake war charges kimbutgar Jan 3 #2
Post removed Post removed Jan 3 #3
She is pandering to Venezuelans in Florioda choie Jan 3 #41
Maduro needed to go mikewv Jan 3 #4
He may have needed to have been overthrown choie Jan 3 #42
Whoever the US installs is just as illegitimate fujiyamasan Sunday #50
You should have lots of issues with this. stevegc Tuesday #109
Welcome to the board! mikewv Tuesday #110
Venezuela's domestic politics are a matter for the Venezuelan people stevegc Tuesday #113
What self-determination? pcdb Tuesday #111
Concur mikewv Tuesday #112
Would you like Russia to bomb and invade your country to "save you" from Trump? stevegc Tuesday #114
House members are constantly in reelection campaigns. underpants Jan 3 #5
Yes, this is reps playing politics to their own constituents. Its unavoidable. nt BootinUp Jan 3 #11
"Have we learned no lessons from the debacles in Iraq and Iran?" sop Jan 3 #6
With all due respect, I feel like this is the more truthful statement. OldBaldy1701E Sunday #60
This ought to help our supreme court. bluestarone Jan 3 #7
Here are the full statements from each of those cited in the article. chowder66 Jan 3 #8
Trump has done these same things to his own citizens as well. travelingthrulife Sunday #67
Who are you calling "nitwits"? Cha Sunday #97
Hm. I wonder. MorbidButterflyTat Sunday #98
So the rage bait headline doesn't accurately reflect what Democrats actually said. lapucelle Sunday #79
Of course it doesn't. LisaM Sunday #92
Thank you very much for actual information. betsuni Sunday #84
Mahlo for Posting the FULL STATEMENTS of Our DEMS, Cha Sunday #96
Call it what it is: A slippery slope. Then justify it. nt BootinUp Jan 3 #9
Zero dollars Traildogbob Jan 3 #10
The oil money will go to the oil companies. totodeinhere Jan 3 #21
You are wrong Traildogbob Jan 3 #22
We aren't the world's policeman, he said Easterncedar Jan 3 #12
How about some fucking democracy in the United States !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SamKnause Jan 3 #13
I know Maduro was a dictator who was pocketing the oil money for himself AZProgressive Jan 3 #14
If the U.S. takes over Venezuela it will be 10 times worse than it is now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SamKnause Jan 3 #16
Post removed Post removed Jan 3 #17
Or BE retired. BurnDoubt Jan 3 #39
AMEN! choie Jan 3 #43
Post removed Post removed Jan 3 #18
Dump every Dem who empowers chump. BidenRocks Jan 3 #19
Yep!!! Yep!!! Yep!!!! BurnDoubt Jan 3 #38
The Fascist-in-Chief should be impeached for this, not praised!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sunday #105
This article was written by Sean James, don't trust it yliza Jan 3 #20
Do they actually think Trump is going bring democracy to Venezuela? hadEnuf Jan 3 #23
They are so breathtakingly stupid. travelingthrulife Sunday #65
I never was LilElf70 Sunday #75
Democracy at the point of a bayonet is no democracy. nt Xipe Totec Jan 3 #24
I sure as hell hope the new Dem majority in 2027 has spines and the courage to call out crimes. Fiendish Thingy Jan 3 #25
Thus, such kind of Representative tell me to NEVER FarPoint Jan 3 #26
Britain and Canada came out agreeing to the regime change yaesu Jan 3 #27
One, that's not why he did it, and two, that's not the right way to do anything. (nt) William Seger Jan 3 #28
This is bullshit it is not up to us to go around the world blasting into other moniss Jan 3 #29
They don't care about the regime. Hell, Trump wishes he could execute half of us. travelingthrulife Sunday #68
Lots of guys out there who've done what Maduro has and more.... paleotn Jan 3 #30
We are so fucked. orangecrush Jan 3 #31
Democracy? LisaL Jan 3 #32
DWS who ended Sanders' campaign for POTUS in '16 AllyCat Jan 3 #33
Wasn't she involved with Al Franken resigning. BidenRocks Jan 3 #44
I thought that was Gillebrand but who knows what DWS AllyCat Jan 3 #46
Not sure what DWS had to do with Franken fujiyamasan Sunday #55
It was the official pile on. BidenRocks Sunday #56
Who is Weinstein? lapucelle Sunday #82
Harvey mahina Sunday #87
Who is this mysterious Weinstein who decreed that there was "no humor left for bawdiness"? lapucelle Sunday #85
Harvey mahina Sunday #88
How does that tie in to DSW? N/T lapucelle Sunday #89
This is Trump we're talking about. It's just a concept of a promise of democracy. LudwigPastorius Jan 3 #34
Not To Cast Aspersions On Elected Democrats, But The Name "Charlie Brown" Does.... ColoringFool Jan 3 #35
Fuck NO!!!!!! BurnDoubt Jan 3 #36
Simon Bolivar Is Spinning Mightily Tonight. Not Because.... ColoringFool Jan 3 #37
Our country is garbage angrychair Jan 3 #45
Numerous House Democrats róisín_dubh Jan 3 #47
I miss the good old days when our rare involvement in regime change was done Marie Marie Jan 3 #48
Post removed Post removed Sunday #49
WTAF???? LearnedHand Sunday #51
Venezuelan expats hate Maduro. RandySF Sunday #52
Yep it all comes back to "all politics is local" fujiyamasan Sunday #54
The US? Learn something?? OldBaldy1701E Sunday #61
Imagine if you will . . . Aussie105 Sunday #53
Primary them! Indyfan53 Sunday #57
Plus, everything that trump is involved in becomes a disaster. C Moon Sunday #58
The stupids in charge. Mawspam2 Sunday #59
Post removed Post removed Sunday #62
Boo-boo-boo ......... nt Hotler Sunday #63
All of these people need to go. travelingthrulife Sunday #64
Post removed Post removed Sunday #66
Pfft...Democrats will probably get outlawed this year tonekat Sunday #69
23 out 24 Dem senators (plus Buttigieg) said the way Trump did it was wrong muriel_volestrangler Sunday #70
Maduro is bad. Trump is far worse. travelingthrulife Sunday #74
Trump is far worse than Maduro? Polybius Sunday #86
Rapist, conman, bombs other countries ... muriel_volestrangler Sunday #90
Maduro definitely succeeded Polybius Sunday #100
Way worse AZProgressive Sunday #99
I don't think Jair Bolsonaro is worse than Maduro either Polybius Sunday #101
We are now a train full clowns Javaman Sunday #71
When are those Democrats going to come take out our illegitimate president?? When? Tick tick tick tick..... Clouds Passing Sunday #72
Since when have politician cared about democracy?! It's about the oil. JustKay Sunday #73
Venezuela is the next Afghanistan. Military industrial complex must be fed. /nt bucolic_frolic Sunday #76
The story goes from numerous to several to doc03 Sunday #77
Praising the unprovoked attack of a sovereign nation makes us no better then Russia dlk Sunday #78
I now realize why the men in congress won't stand up to F45. F45 is a baby and the men in congress have never raised a in2herbs Sunday #80
Yeah, because it worked out so well in Iraq. dugog55 Sunday #81
I don't know enough about it somsai Sunday #83
I suppose I wouldn't be so alarmed at this if it wasn't such a crazy idiot who was behind it. ificandream Sunday #93
More democrat bashing bullshit Wiz Imp Sunday #94
The definition of CLICKBAIT. The title says "numerous" Democrats and the article says "some" Democrats. Martin68 Sunday #95
I Wouldn't Go as far as to praise Trump but... Darnell1972 Sunday #103
WTF?!?! InAbLuEsTaTe Sunday #104
Did they or did they not say they wanted this before it happened? If not, why are they suddenly saying this is so great? Doodley Sunday #106
On the hook for either petro dollars or Venezolano votes or both Ursus Rex Sunday #107
Way to cozy up to a dictator Miguelito Loveless Sunday #108
Akin to treating diabetes with cancer Torchlight Wednesday #116

spooky3

(38,282 posts)
1. I agree with you. And what gives us the right to do this, even if the end is as desirable
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:07 PM
Jan 3

as Wasserman Schultz seems to believe it will be? What's to stop some other nation from violently overthrowing our government?

PatSeg

(52,216 posts)
15. I keep getting flashbacks
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:23 PM
Jan 3

to the invasion of Iraq and we all know how that turned out.

This is absolute madness and I can't believe that a single Democrat in Congress would support what he has done. They deserve to be primaried, assuming we still have a Congress in November.

BurnDoubt

(1,486 posts)
40. What?
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:18 PM
Jan 3

Putin has already done it.
Remember the "Secret Meeting"?
Vladdy whipped it out and the "Mushroom" went "dimple".
HE has the Epstein Files.
Never doubt it.

Wiz Imp

(9,016 posts)
91. Huh?
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:13 PM
Sunday

“However, cutting off the head of a snake is fruitless if it just regrows.” doresn't sound like she's supportive of the action to me.

True Dough

(25,857 posts)
102. "What's to stop some other nation from violently overthrowing our government?"
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:31 PM
Sunday

I believe the answer is the U.S. nuclear arsenal.

kimbutgar

(26,826 posts)
2. I would never vote for any representative that is ok with this kidnapping and fake war charges
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:11 PM
Jan 3

Shame on any Democrat that is ok with this!

This is a distraction from Epstein and jack Smiths testimony release, The timing is highly suspicious. Was Maduro threatening the US?

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choie

(6,640 posts)
41. She is pandering to Venezuelans in Florioda
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:36 PM
Jan 3

as she's done with Cubans in Florida. Very in character.

mikewv

(233 posts)
4. Maduro needed to go
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:12 PM
Jan 3

I have no issue with Maduro being taken out. I do have issue that Trump is still our President. In the end he will go away.

choie

(6,640 posts)
42. He may have needed to have been overthrown
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:37 PM
Jan 3

but not by us. Jesus Christ, I can't believe what some people post here. Or don't we care about our contitution OR international law anymore?

fujiyamasan

(1,234 posts)
50. Whoever the US installs is just as illegitimate
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 12:19 AM
Sunday

Ultimately it was the up to the Venezuelan people to decide their country’s fate.

stevegc

(17 posts)
109. You should have lots of issues with this.
Tue Jan 6, 2026, 02:34 PM
Tuesday

Americans need to understand — whether Democrats or Republicans — the concept of respecting the self-determination and sovereignty of other nations.

There is nothing okay about bombing a country, invading, overthrowing the government, and kidnapping the president. That should be crystal clear.

mikewv

(233 posts)
110. Welcome to the board!
Tue Jan 6, 2026, 07:02 PM
Tuesday

Americans need to understand — whether Democrats or Republicans — the concept of respecting the self-determination and sovereignty of other nations.

Maduro ignored and suppressed this after the election in 2024, which he lost by %70 of the vote. He refused to leave office and was widely condemned and his presidency not recognized. In a free republic the only sovereign is the people.

There is nothing okay about bombing a country, invading, overthrowing the government, and kidnapping the president. That should be crystal clear.

I totally agree.

I simply stated that I am glad Maduro is out. I certainly didn't agree with what Trump did.

stevegc

(17 posts)
113. Venezuela's domestic politics are a matter for the Venezuelan people
Tue Jan 6, 2026, 10:39 PM
Tuesday

The claim that Americans are saving the people from a tyrant has been used dozens of times in the past against Latin American nations – and none of these interventions benefited the population

If Venezuelans have to overthrow a president, they will do it themselves. Not another country using democracy, once again, as a pretext to steal natural resources.

pcdb

(84 posts)
111. What self-determination?
Tue Jan 6, 2026, 07:38 PM
Tuesday

Over 70% of Venezuelans voted for Maduro's opponent. Maduro ignored the results, declared victory, and locked up anyone who disagreed.

Any unarmed and starving populace wasn't going to overthrow the government.

stevegc

(17 posts)
114. Would you like Russia to bomb and invade your country to "save you" from Trump?
Tue Jan 6, 2026, 10:41 PM
Tuesday

No, right?

So, that's it.

Maduro is a problem for the Venezuelan people. Americans - both Democrats and Republicans - need to mind their business

underpants

(194,984 posts)
5. House members are constantly in reelection campaigns.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:12 PM
Jan 3

They know their district and sticking their heads out is never a good idea unless it’s a rock solid district

sop

(17,471 posts)
6. "Have we learned no lessons from the debacles in Iraq and Iran?"
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:12 PM
Jan 3

America has never learned any lessons from previous debacles involving regime change.

OldBaldy1701E

(10,204 posts)
60. With all due respect, I feel like this is the more truthful statement.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:46 AM
Sunday

America has never learned any lessons from previous debacles involving regime change..

(At least, not any that apply to being benevolent and progressive. We just won't do that.)

chowder66

(11,861 posts)
8. Here are the full statements from each of those cited in the article.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:17 PM
Jan 3

Wasserman-Schultz
“The capture of the brutal, illegitimate ruler of Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro, who oppressed Venezuela's people is welcome news for my friends and neighbors who fled his violent, lawless, and disastrous rule. However, cutting off the head of a snake is fruitless if it just regrows. Venezuelans deserve the promise of democracy and the rule of law, not a state of endless violence and spiraling disorder. My hope is it offers a passage to true democracy and liberation. This action offers beleaguered Venezuelans a chance to seat their true, democratically elected president, Edmundo González. I’ll demand answers as to why Congress and the American people were bypassed in this effort. The absence of congressional involvement prior to this action risks the continuation of the illegitimate Venezuelan regime.”
https://wassermanschultz.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=3446

Soto
Capturing the murderous Dictator Maduro is a major step towards a #VenezuelaLibre. Now there must be concerted efforts to ensure the democratically elected Edmundo Gonzalez is seated as the rightful new president.

Trump’s failure to seek Congressional approval for these strikes raises serious questions about the legality of the mission. The Administration made multiple false promises that it would not invade Venezuela without Congressional consent.

Congress must now conduct extensive hearings on the attack and all efforts to restore democracy in Venezuela.




Moskowitz
For years, Maduro has brutally oppressed the people of Venezuela, committed human rights violations, imprisoned political opponents, and stolen elections. His actions have caused millions of Venezuelans to flee and have left millions more to suffer hunger, violence, and a lack of basic goods. No one should miss him.

However, any actions we take to end the illegitimate rule of Maduro must be in line with our Constitution. After being told by the administration that the correct congressional leaders would be briefed, there is no evidence that this took place.

I thank the men and women of our military for their courage and professionalism, and I urge that the next steps be guided by de-escalation, protection of innocent lives, regional stability, and respect for constitutional and international norms.

travelingthrulife

(4,463 posts)
67. Trump has done these same things to his own citizens as well.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:20 AM
Sunday

When do we get our regime change you nitwits?

I can't believe they fall for this every single time.

lapucelle

(20,950 posts)
79. So the rage bait headline doesn't accurately reflect what Democrats actually said.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:30 AM
Sunday

Good to know.



Cha

(316,891 posts)
96. Mahlo for Posting the FULL STATEMENTS of Our DEMS,
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 05:10 PM
Sunday

Chowder!

All that "Raging" at Dems was for Nothing.

Traildogbob

(12,561 posts)
10. Zero dollars
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:18 PM
Jan 3

The oil will pay for it. Like Iraq. Not a dime of tax dollars. Trump promised he and his billionaire Oil folks are paying it all. Just like Rumsfeld promised. When has a Gobber lied to us? Fuck these Dems, it was an illegal invasion. Are they cool with illegal, I guess so. There was a more legal way to attack, with Congress. And regime change is still questionable. And we know damn well they all would have voted yes.
Are we gonna see footage of attack copters with Haquesbreath and Miller standing on the landing rails with automatic 5O cal guns shooting at Civilians or do they only zine the battles against fishing boats?

Traildogbob

(12,561 posts)
22. You are wrong
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:45 PM
Jan 3

Trump says checks are coming from tariff trillions and now oil will follow. We are gonna be rich. Screw expensive Groceries, we can all shop at Whole Foods now. Has he ever lied to us? The Iraq war was free. The Oil paid for that. Rumsfeld said so. 😉.

Easterncedar

(5,539 posts)
12. We aren't the world's policeman, he said
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:19 PM
Jan 3

Removing Maduro was never our job, or our right.

And all those Venezuelans in Florida who are happy about this? Are they all legal? What about the Venezuelans we have thrown into CECOT in El Salvador? Did they start caring about them yet?

SamKnause

(14,707 posts)
13. How about some fucking democracy in the United States !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:20 PM
Jan 3

AZProgressive

(29,852 posts)
14. I know Maduro was a dictator who was pocketing the oil money for himself
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:23 PM
Jan 3

but there are dictators all over the world and some of them are US allies including Saudi Arabia and Israel has a major war criminal as head of state. There are also a lot of far right autocratic governments springing up all over the world especially in Europe and here in the United States.

As far as Latin America only the extreme right wing government of Argentina supports this. Even the right wing governments there don't support this.

This only benefits the multinational oil & gas companies. This is why the Bezos Post praised the operation. Time will tell if it benefits the people of Venezuela but with Trump in charge I don't really see him doing this for their benefit.

SamKnause

(14,707 posts)
16. If the U.S. takes over Venezuela it will be 10 times worse than it is now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:24 PM
Jan 3

The U.S. has a shitty record on spreading democracy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The president and the administration that has the power in the U.S. does not believe in democracy.

The U.S. has been taken over by fascists and Christian Nationalists.

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yliza

(199 posts)
20. This article was written by Sean James, don't trust it
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:22 PM
Jan 3

Never trust Sean James or Isaac Schorr on Mediate, they are Magaphiles who spin everything to make the orange pustule look good and/or dems look bad. When I look at other sources I see things like “Maduro sucked, but wtf?” (I’m paraphrasing lol), which sends a very different message.

hadEnuf

(3,527 posts)
23. Do they actually think Trump is going bring democracy to Venezuela?
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:47 PM
Jan 3

What the fuck is wrong with some of these Democrats? Give this fascist asshole Trump NOTHING.

Fiendish Thingy

(22,066 posts)
25. I sure as hell hope the new Dem majority in 2027 has spines and the courage to call out crimes.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:10 PM
Jan 3

When you’re to the right of Rand Paul, you’re on the wrong side.

FarPoint

(14,560 posts)
26. Thus, such kind of Representative tell me to NEVER
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:14 PM
Jan 3

donate monies ever to the DCCC......always 1:1 to candidate which I Support...


Shame on them if this is true.

yaesu

(9,014 posts)
27. Britain and Canada came out agreeing to the regime change
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:30 PM
Jan 3

most already cut ties with Venezuela since the 2018 election fiasco.

moniss

(8,744 posts)
29. This is bullshit it is not up to us to go around the world blasting into other
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:35 PM
Jan 3

countries any time we wish because we are unhappy with their government's behavior on democracy.

travelingthrulife

(4,463 posts)
68. They don't care about the regime. Hell, Trump wishes he could execute half of us.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:22 AM
Sunday

It is all about stealing resources.

BidenRocks

(2,788 posts)
56. It was the official pile on.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:10 AM
Sunday

Because of Weinstein, there was no humor left for bawdiness.

I thought she was getting press over Al.

lapucelle

(20,950 posts)
85. Who is this mysterious Weinstein who decreed that there was "no humor left for bawdiness"?
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:45 AM
Sunday

LudwigPastorius

(14,197 posts)
34. This is Trump we're talking about. It's just a concept of a promise of democracy.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:49 PM
Jan 3

In reality, what Venezuelans will get will be a corrupt, Trump-approved puppet who will aid the oil companies in extracting and exporting the country's natural resources.

ColoringFool

(258 posts)
35. Not To Cast Aspersions On Elected Democrats, But The Name "Charlie Brown" Does....
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:58 PM
Jan 3

Come to mind.

🏈🦵

BurnDoubt

(1,486 posts)
36. Fuck NO!!!!!!
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:01 PM
Jan 3

This Is Wrong.
It WILL be worse for the people.
We broke it and we bought it.
WE NEVER LEARN.
Everything he touches turns to shit.
And somehow, he still makes bank.
NOT what the POTUS job is for.
DO NOT GIVE HIM PROPS.
Almost all the charges against Maduro apply to The Felon.

ColoringFool

(258 posts)
37. Simon Bolivar Is Spinning Mightily Tonight. Not Because....
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:04 PM
Jan 3

He would have supported Maduro (he wouldn't have) , but because of the US intervention ONCE AGAIN in Latin American countries.

angrychair

(11,708 posts)
45. Our country is garbage
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 11:26 PM
Jan 3

That everyone isn't universally condemning this is absolutely abhorrent. This is not good foreign policy or any kind of policy. It's a "might makes right" policy that is only as good long as no one uses it on you.

róisín_dubh

(12,231 posts)
47. Numerous House Democrats
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 11:47 PM
Jan 3

Are as brain dead as Trump and his supporters, and would do well to read about the history of the region before opening their fat gobs.

Marie Marie

(10,897 posts)
48. I miss the good old days when our rare involvement in regime change was done
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 11:49 PM
Jan 3

quietly and covertly, usually through the CIA. We did our dirty deeds in secret (at least they remained secret for a while) while still managing to mostly adhere to principles and morals as a nation. We were the White Hat Guys. Now, every evil deed that Trump does is sitting upon a mountain of past sins and shouted and boasted about the very minute he can waddle over to the nearest microphone.

No, we were never perfect as a nation but we were good and mostly set a good example of freedom and democracy to the rest of the world.

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fujiyamasan

(1,234 posts)
54. Yep it all comes back to "all politics is local"
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 12:50 AM
Sunday

I’m not thrilled about anything she’s saying. Frankly it’s all pandering nonsense.

But there’s no way in hell she’d come out condemning this given the demographics of her district and state (especially if she’s making a play for higher office in Florida at some point).

Not excusing her or other democrats supporting this. We went through this twenty three years ago. I was hoping we’d have learned our lesson.

Aussie105

(7,654 posts)
53. Imagine if you will . . .
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 12:42 AM
Sunday

A foreign country flies in unannounced, lands at Mar-a-Lardo and captures Dear Leader, then put him on trial back in their own country.

How would the majority of the American people react?

The mildest comment would be:
"You can't do that!"

America has no right to be judge, jury and executioner when it comes to foreign countries.
No country has that right.

American exceptionalism or just thuggery and bullying?

Hopefully this backfires on Trump and anyone who thinks this was a good idea.

If Trump decides to send in the troops, there will be resistance and American blood on foreign soil.



Mawspam2

(1,084 posts)
59. The stupids in charge.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 03:06 AM
Sunday

Because we remember how the last WAR FOR OIL worked out.

BUSH/CHENEY 2003: Saddam Hussein definitely had Weapons of Mass Destruction (Nuclear, Chemical, Biological) that he might use at some time and he had to be stopped! (Clue: UNSCOM reported that Iraq had essentially been disarmed since 1998. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice cooked up and distorted intelligence so they/we could invade Iraq)

3/20/2003: US and allies invade Iraq blowing up all the oil fields.

5/1/2003: Bush puts on pilot flight suit and lands on USS Abraham Lincoln to claim the Iraq war is over. (Except it isn't)

12/18/2011: The US military finally leaves Iraq never having found any Weapons of Mass destruction.

Total cost of this folly:

4508 US military men and women killed. Brought home in caskets, buried by grieving mothers, fathers, wives, and children.
32,292 US military wounded.
47,541 US military permanently disabled.

$1.8 Trillion USDollars spent to date, with another $1 Trillion USDollars expected to be spent on Veteran Care over the next 25 years.

Who got rich? Defense contractors.

Halliburton (Dick Cheney was it's former CEO and remained a major shareholder as Vice-President) made over $140 Billion in no-bid contracts.

Blackwater, a private security company founded by Eric Prince made over $1.2 Billion in no-bid contracts. It's employees committed war crimes in executing unarmed Iraqi civilians in 2007. Those four convicted war criminals were later pardoned by - Donald Trump.

Lockheed-Martin made over $1.6 Billion in sales of planes, missiles and support, raising profits 41% in 2003.

Bechtel made over $2 Billion to repair the infrastructure shit we blew up by invading in the first place.

Let us also remember that over $9 Billion in USDollars vanished into thin air as we flew plane loads of freshly minted $100 Dollar bills to Iraq to pay off the local warlords.

Now, Donald Trump and his cast of clowns, Hegseth, Rubio, Miller, Vance, who are already war-criminals, are just going to invade Venezuela and occupy it at no cost in dollars or lives because.....

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muriel_volestrangler

(105,581 posts)
70. 23 out 24 Dem senators (plus Buttigieg) said the way Trump did it was wrong
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:30 AM
Sunday
Here is Pete Buttigieg: “It’s an old and obvious pattern. An unpopular president – failing on the economy and losing his grip on power at home – decides to launch a war for regime change abroad. The American people don’t want to “run” a foreign country while our leaders fail to improve life in this one.”

I’ve looked to see what Democratic senators are saying on X/Twitter. One Democratic senator has supported the attack – John Fetterman, who is far away from being an establishment liberal.
...
Senator Chuck Schumer: “Nicolás Maduro is an illegitimate dictator. But launching military action without congressional authorization and without a credible plan for what comes next is reckless.” And: “The idea that Trump plans to now run Venezuela should strike fear in the hearts of all Americans. The American people have seen this before and paid the devastating price.”

Senator Mark Warner: “Our Constitution places the gravest decisions about the use of military force in the hands of Congress for a reason. Using military force to enact regime change demands the closest scrutiny, precisely because the consequences do not end with the initial strike. If the United States asserts the right to use military force to invade and capture foreign leaders it accuses of criminal conduct, what prevents China from claiming the same authority over Taiwan’s leadership? What stops Vladimir Putin from asserting similar justification to abduct Ukraine’s president? Once this line is crossed, the rules that restrain global chaos begin to collapse, and authoritarian regimes will be the first to exploit it.”
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https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2026/01/the-dem-reaction

Read the whole list - some do point out Maduro was bad, but that this is an illegal way to remove him; others just say "this is illegal" or "this is dangerous".

Polybius

(21,518 posts)
86. Trump is far worse than Maduro?
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:58 AM
Sunday

I dunno about that, but he still has 3 years left in his term.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,581 posts)
90. Rapist, conman, bombs other countries ...
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:08 PM
Sunday

They have a liking of Putin in common. Trump tried to fix an election; Maduro probably succeeded.

AZProgressive

(29,852 posts)
99. Way worse
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 06:10 PM
Sunday

The only thing holding Trump back is the constitution and federal judges but even then that isn't holding him back completely especially with the Supreme Court enabling him and also there isn't much of an opposition to him like there was in the first term which really held him back. In the book A Warning by Anonymous they were resisting his worst impulses and the book was actually a pretty good prediction on what his 2nd term would be like.

Trump is very similar to Bolsanaro who both attempted a coup to install themselves for another term but Trump doesn't want Brazil to prosecute him and wants to go after Maduro instead so Trump is motivated by ideological concerns & private business opportunities with the largest oil reserves.

Another thing is the United States has always had a peaceful transfer of power, an American President should be held to a higher standard as so called leader of the free world but Trump treats the Democrats or the "opposition party" very similar to dictators. Those actions have seen leaders replaced in coups for less than what Trump has done.

Polybius

(21,518 posts)
101. I don't think Jair Bolsonaro is worse than Maduro either
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:28 PM
Sunday

He protested the election and said some crazy things about staying because it was stolen, but he gave up fast. What Trump did was far worse in the election aftermath and its climax, January 6th.

As for Maduro, he actually succeeded in stealing an election. Twice. He was my most hated leader in SA.

Javaman

(65,126 posts)
71. We are now a train full clowns
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:32 AM
Sunday

And the train has completely derailed, killing many, destroying what was once a good solid train.

And some of the clowns, laying amongst the wreckage, think the ride was worth it

Clouds Passing

(7,021 posts)
72. When are those Democrats going to come take out our illegitimate president?? When? Tick tick tick tick.....
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:34 AM
Sunday

dlk

(13,119 posts)
78. Praising the unprovoked attack of a sovereign nation makes us no better then Russia
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:11 AM
Sunday

What are these people thinking? This gives a green light to any other country wanting to do the same and has the very real potential for a descent into world war.

Leaders have lost their minds.

in2herbs

(4,243 posts)
80. I now realize why the men in congress won't stand up to F45. F45 is a baby and the men in congress have never raised a
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:31 AM
Sunday

child so naturally they don't know how to respond to F45.

dugog55

(365 posts)
81. Yeah, because it worked out so well in Iraq.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:34 AM
Sunday

Don't these people have memories that last more than 2 weeks? That Iraq War was a lie and a fiasco from the get go. It was also about nothing but OIL. Not WMDs, not a tyrannical leader, and not about bringing democracy to a country. How can they all be so thick as to forget an 18 year war that cost thousands of American lives, upwards of a million Iraqi lives, and added trillions to our national debt.

somsai

(216 posts)
83. I don't know enough about it
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:41 AM
Sunday

but I don't like that oil, sour very very heavy. Hard to refine, lots of pollution.

ificandream

(11,701 posts)
93. I suppose I wouldn't be so alarmed at this if it wasn't such a crazy idiot who was behind it.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:21 PM
Sunday

The fall of Maduro is being used as a tool by Trump basically to take Epstein off the front pages. For that reason, people shouldn't be jumping on board praising Trump because he and his minions (aka Fox) will stoke that praise without discussing the real reason (Epstein) this is all happening. Doesn't anyone really think Trump cares that much about the future of Venezuela? I certainly don't.

Wiz Imp

(9,016 posts)
94. More democrat bashing bullshit
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:23 PM
Sunday

I don't see anyone praising Trump. I see some people acknowleging that Maduro was a horrible person who was not legally elected and thus it is a positive he is gone (and probably 90% of the population of Venezuela agrees with this). Being glad Maduro is gone is NOT praising Trump.

Martin68

(27,083 posts)
95. The definition of CLICKBAIT. The title says "numerous" Democrats and the article says "some" Democrats.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 03:13 PM
Sunday

Later it says "a few" Democrats, and only 3 examples are listed.

Darnell1972

(30 posts)
103. I Wouldn't Go as far as to praise Trump but...
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:40 PM
Sunday

While I’m not ready to join the Democratic Representatives who praised Trump, it would be a silver lining to a dark cloud if democracy comes to Venezuela. The old regime was authoritarian and thuggish. Good riddance! Now, it’s up to the people of Venezuela to choose self-governance and civil liberties.

Doodley

(11,648 posts)
106. Did they or did they not say they wanted this before it happened? If not, why are they suddenly saying this is so great?
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 08:02 PM
Sunday

Ursus Rex

(474 posts)
107. On the hook for either petro dollars or Venezolano votes or both
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 08:08 PM
Sunday

I’m not a fan of rich exile communities dictating foreign policy for countries they fled to protect their wealth, and of course big oil is evil.

I’m sure many of these reps are acting out of enlightened altruism and love of democracy, of course.

Torchlight

(6,320 posts)
116. Akin to treating diabetes with cancer
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 03:46 PM
Wednesday

But sure... the diabetes won't really be too much of a problem soon.

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