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ItsjustMe

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Holy crap! No wonder they wanted the United States out of their country. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #1
Not shocked, but appalled. lastlib Nov 2024 #14
How about both shocked and appalled! ananda Nov 2024 #17
"Marriage", they say? Mister Ed Nov 2024 #2
That is what marriage IS. valleyrogue Nov 2024 #44
Oh. Is my marriage indeed a form of prostitution and slavery? Mister Ed Nov 2024 #45
Your marriage is irrelevant to the discussion. valleyrogue Nov 2024 #49
This is a thread about nine-year-old girls being raped and enslaved. Mister Ed Nov 2024 #50
O. M. G. calimary Nov 2024 #3
God, those poor babies are being sold by their own fathers. They have sperm donors, not real GPV Nov 2024 #4
Afghanistan is the same, with girls sold to men 5 and 6 times their age. Lonestarblue Nov 2024 #5
Why on earth did so many Americans die fighting there. And now we're turning into Iraq. Walleye Nov 2024 #6
Women's rights started dwindling even while we were there. LisaM Nov 2024 #12
Empire and oil Martin Eden Nov 2024 #21
Cows are treated better than women in Iraq. Baitball Blogger Nov 2024 #7
Iraq, not Iran. I had to read it three times before I realized that. eppur_se_muova Nov 2024 #9
Thank you for the correction. Baitball Blogger Nov 2024 #11
Iranian influence. Igel Nov 2024 #40
Damn! I did the same thing. N/t SomewhereInTheMiddle Nov 2024 #48
I didn't know Iranian leaders were Republicans, too. surfered Nov 2024 #8
Iraqi, not Iranian. nt eppur_se_muova Nov 2024 #10
Thanks for the correction. It just sounded like something Iran would do. surfered Nov 2024 #37
Mike Moon US intro bill for 12 yr legal marrage Sugarmaggie Nov 2024 #13
Yes, and how did that work out?. whathehell Nov 2024 #28
That is not "marriage". It is child enslavement and pedophilia. N/t CousinIT Nov 2024 #15
Coming to a US County near you! Hope22 Nov 2024 #16
Why would you say that? Where do you get Muslims coming here are going to want this? jimfields33 Nov 2024 #20
Have you checked out the status of US women lately! Hope22 Nov 2024 #23
Try rereading the thread and then your post. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #25
I'm certain your rudeness is against the rules out here. ......n/t Hope22 Nov 2024 #34
Please reread the thread. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #38
Who said anything about muslims? getagrip_already Nov 2024 #27
It's really scary that people out here have to be educated on this! Hope22 Nov 2024 #35
I don't think Hope22 was talking about Muslims doing that here. ShazzieB Nov 2024 #39
Not so much. whathehell Nov 2024 #30
There are a lot of things happening now that we never would have dreamed of even ten years ago. Hope22 Nov 2024 #31
The psychopaths are in power. 58Sunliner Nov 2024 #18
Many old men here would like to see it set at 13 or 14. They believe girls are women by then. At least women enough for ratchiweenie Nov 2024 #19
I think people would really be surprised to know. N/t Hope22 Nov 2024 #32
Thank God we liberated them. bluedigger Nov 2024 #22
We're next. Aristus Nov 2024 #24
I just got hammered for saying that upstream. Hope22 Nov 2024 #33
I think many people aren't aware of just how sick these old white southern men are. ratchiweenie Nov 2024 #41
It's true. Hope22 Nov 2024 #42
Do something! Easterncedar Nov 2024 #26
Thank for posting this. Hope22 Nov 2024 #43
Thank you Easterncedar Nov 2024 #46
How republican of them. Turbineguy Nov 2024 #29
Damn Solly Mack Nov 2024 #36
"As well as bringing down the legal marriage age, the amendment would also TBF Nov 2024 #47
While our new leadership believes no consent is necessary at any age. Just grab 'em Runningdawg Nov 2024 #51
Billions of dollars BigMin28 Nov 2024 #52
 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
1. Holy crap! No wonder they wanted the United States out of their country.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 06:56 AM
Nov 2024

I don’t get shocked easily, but I definitely am on this news.

lastlib

(25,508 posts)
14. Not shocked, but appalled.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 09:05 AM
Nov 2024

I weep at the pervy god they worship. It sickens me

ananda

(31,329 posts)
17. How about both shocked and appalled!
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 09:32 AM
Nov 2024

These Muslim states' treatment of women
is astoundingly harsh and restrictive.

Misogyny seems to be growing worldwide.
America is trending in this direction as well.

Men must feel really threatened and need
to scapegoat, mistreat, and confine women
to a degree that is just astounding!

Mister Ed

(6,501 posts)
2. "Marriage", they say?
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 07:03 AM
Nov 2024

This is not about "marriage". This is about purchasing, owning, and enslaving girls and women.

valleyrogue

(1,830 posts)
44. That is what marriage IS.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:51 AM
Nov 2024

Last edited Sun Nov 10, 2024, 04:15 PM - Edit history (1)

It always has been a transaction where men buy sexual access to women in exchange for material support for women. It is the cornerstone of patriarchy and always was. It is a form of prostitution.

The entire system is rigged against women to coerce them to marry so men get sexual access. Women are seeing the truth and are rejecting it. That is why so many men are stomping angry.

Hallmark card nonsense about love, partnership, and commitment have nothing to do with it.

Mister Ed

(6,501 posts)
45. Oh. Is my marriage indeed a form of prostitution and slavery?
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:06 AM
Nov 2024

Is the marriage of my friends Elizabeth and Karen a form of prostitution and slavery?

Please tell me more of what you know about us and our marriages.

valleyrogue

(1,830 posts)
49. Your marriage is irrelevant to the discussion.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 01:46 PM
Nov 2024

The truth is the truth. It IS a form of prostitution. It is the flip side of prostitution. The only difference is in degree. How do you explain marriages with children, with dowries, with mail order brides, with impoverishing women by men hoarding resources so that they have to sell themselves to the highest bidder? How do you explain away an economic system that is rigged against women for the simple reason that to starve women economically makes it easier for men to gain sexual access?

The fact is men will not marry women unless they get sexual access to women. The legal bennies come with a price for women, which is they must trade their bodies to get everything materially. That is how the great majority of women become "homeowners." That is how marriage is still the major means of upward mobility for women. It is purely transactional. Most men worldwide think this way of women, and if that upsets you, so be it. That is the mentality of the men who voted for Trump. Women are objects for sexual access and reproduction. That is all they are "for."

You don't want to hear the truth. I get it, it is extremely uncomfortable, but marriage needs to die out. I suspect in the next 100 years, it will die out in the West.

Mister Ed

(6,501 posts)
50. This is a thread about nine-year-old girls being raped and enslaved.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 03:16 PM
Nov 2024

You do me and others a grave and ugly injustice by equating our marriages to their plight.

Your pedantic, boilerplate dogma and your broadbrush condemnation of marriage will not help those girls in the least. Carry on with it if you will, though. I will pay no further heed.

calimary

(85,386 posts)
3. O. M. G.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 07:17 AM
Nov 2024

Absolutely BEYOND Horrible!

GPV

(73,253 posts)
4. God, those poor babies are being sold by their own fathers. They have sperm donors, not real
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 07:35 AM
Nov 2024

daddies, over there.

Lonestarblue

(12,390 posts)
5. Afghanistan is the same, with girls sold to men 5 and 6 times their age.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 07:41 AM
Nov 2024

Just disgusting.

Walleye

(38,642 posts)
6. Why on earth did so many Americans die fighting there. And now we're turning into Iraq.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 07:47 AM
Nov 2024

LisaM

(29,034 posts)
12. Women's rights started dwindling even while we were there.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 08:40 AM
Nov 2024

My memory is a little dim here, but I seem to recall that Iraqi women were among the best educated in the Middle East before we went in. I am not defending Saddam Hussein or his human rights record. Who would? But women's rights in Iraq started eroding with the subsequent regimes that replaced him. I remember arguing with some local talk radio host about it at the time.

But, by all means, let's cut ties with our only solid ally in the Middle East.

Martin Eden

(13,971 posts)
21. Empire and oil
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 10:04 AM
Nov 2024

Oil men had their hands all over PNAC.

Baitball Blogger

(49,494 posts)
7. Cows are treated better than women in Iraq.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 08:10 AM
Nov 2024

Last edited Sat Nov 9, 2024, 08:40 AM - Edit history (1)

At least cows aren't forced to copulate with them.

eppur_se_muova

(38,541 posts)
9. Iraq, not Iran. I had to read it three times before I realized that.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 08:35 AM
Nov 2024

This is what you would expect in Iran, not in a country the US fought to liberate from a dictatorship.

Baitball Blogger

(49,494 posts)
11. Thank you for the correction.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 08:40 AM
Nov 2024

Igel

(36,616 posts)
40. Iranian influence.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 09:46 PM
Nov 2024

Don't have to be the country to be a de facto satrapy of the country.

48. Damn! I did the same thing. N/t
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 08:23 AM
Nov 2024

surfered

(5,424 posts)
8. I didn't know Iranian leaders were Republicans, too.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 08:32 AM
Nov 2024

eppur_se_muova

(38,541 posts)
10. Iraqi, not Iranian. nt
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 08:36 AM
Nov 2024

surfered

(5,424 posts)
37. Thanks for the correction. It just sounded like something Iran would do.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:51 PM
Nov 2024

Sugarmaggie

(142 posts)
13. Mike Moon US intro bill for 12 yr legal marrage
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 08:52 AM
Nov 2024

We got same degenerates in our “house”. Don’t know if he’s still a rep.


https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article274244525.html

whathehell

(30,107 posts)
28. Yes, and how did that work out?.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 12:13 PM
Nov 2024

If we do have "the same" degenerates here, clearly we don't have the same number.

CousinIT

(11,099 posts)
15. That is not "marriage". It is child enslavement and pedophilia. N/t
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 09:10 AM
Nov 2024

Hope22

(3,677 posts)
16. Coming to a US County near you!
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 09:28 AM
Nov 2024

Every crazy thing they do our crazies lick their lips and dream. I predict mass suicide events with their women and their girls finding peace. It does not bode well for American women. Nine? Why bother waiting? Where Iraq goes our sickness follows.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
20. Why would you say that? Where do you get Muslims coming here are going to want this?
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 09:49 AM
Nov 2024

Hope22

(3,677 posts)
23. Have you checked out the status of US women lately!
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 10:35 AM
Nov 2024

Our white men did that to us. Our voices have been stifled. I sure as #ell was not insinuating what you suggest!

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
25. Try rereading the thread and then your post.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 12:07 PM
Nov 2024

Hope22

(3,677 posts)
34. I'm certain your rudeness is against the rules out here. ......n/t
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 02:57 PM
Nov 2024
 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
38. Please reread the thread.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 04:08 PM
Nov 2024

getagrip_already

(17,634 posts)
27. Who said anything about muslims?
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 12:11 PM
Nov 2024

This is christian doctrine also.

And mormon.

Dont be shocked as laws banning child marriage begin to disapear.

Hope22

(3,677 posts)
35. It's really scary that people out here have to be educated on this!
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:00 PM
Nov 2024

It’s almost as though they didn’t get the news Tuesday!

ShazzieB

(19,722 posts)
39. I don't think Hope22 was talking about Muslims doing that here.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 05:57 PM
Nov 2024

I feel quite certain that she was talking about a certain type of fundamentalist Christian, white American men.

whathehell

(30,107 posts)
30. Not so much.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 12:40 PM
Nov 2024

We may be deeply disappointed in ourselves right now, but hyperbole isn't helpful. Iraqi culture isn't a harbinger for us, and 9 year old marriage isn't happening.

Hope22

(3,677 posts)
31. There are a lot of things happening now that we never would have dreamed of even ten years ago.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 02:28 PM
Nov 2024

When the Epstein files open you may be surprised. Yes…that’s not marriage…but T and his friends will never give up their delicacies. The point is without power over our bodies and voices that are heard, really just anything is possible! As far as I can see the Christian’s, especially those in the rural areas here are not far behind the those that we are speaking of.

It’s OK for me to speak an opinion. Just saying! In reference don’t get me started on my sister in law…1977 southeast Ohio, burped out six babies in eight years. She had no voice as the church, god and her husband spoke for her. When she couldn’t have anymore babies because her body was broken from the abuse, her husband brought a woman home from work saying that he wanted to take a second wife as their church allowed. When he took the additional lady to church with the family and talked to the head honcho about a second wife he was told that second wives cannot come in from outside the church they must already be church members. This is real life back woods Ohio and still exists today! The church then told my sister in law that since her husband had broken a church rule she had the choice of staying with her husband and leaving the church or staying with the church and leaving her husband. That was the one condition they would allow divorce. Over forty years ago…..

58Sunliner

(5,419 posts)
18. The psychopaths are in power.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 09:43 AM
Nov 2024

ratchiweenie

(8,087 posts)
19. Many old men here would like to see it set at 13 or 14. They believe girls are women by then. At least women enough for
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 09:46 AM
Nov 2024

them to really enjoy and control.

Hope22

(3,677 posts)
32. I think people would really be surprised to know. N/t
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 02:40 PM
Nov 2024

bluedigger

(17,209 posts)
22. Thank God we liberated them.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 10:26 AM
Nov 2024

Makes it all worthwhile.

Aristus

(69,320 posts)
24. We're next.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 11:02 AM
Nov 2024

Hope22

(3,677 posts)
33. I just got hammered for saying that upstream.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 02:47 PM
Nov 2024

I guess that Election Tuesday hasn’t sunk in for some of us!

ratchiweenie

(8,087 posts)
41. I think many people aren't aware of just how sick these old white southern men are.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 08:24 AM
Nov 2024

Hope22

(3,677 posts)
42. It's true.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 09:58 AM
Nov 2024

Even those up north. I had two sisters and we were born close together in age. Once a year my dad’s brother would visit and we girls would be huddled behind mom and dad when we would have to say hello to uncle. That man would nibble on our ears and hug and kiss on us. We would run away as each gained freedom from this disgusting greeting! Our parents were right there and never said a thing! Twenty years later he went to federal prison for sexually molesting and god knows what, our cousin. Children have a very rough road to travel in this country and it’s getting worse. My heart goes out to all of them.

Easterncedar

(3,978 posts)
26. Do something!
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 12:09 PM
Nov 2024

Last edited Sat Nov 9, 2024, 12:55 PM - Edit history (1)

Consider supporting Women Living Under Muslim Law.
www.wluml.org

This is a horror.

Hope22

(3,677 posts)
43. Thank for posting this.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:00 AM
Nov 2024

You are seen and heard. 💗💗🙏🏼

Easterncedar

(3,978 posts)
46. Thank you
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:52 PM
Nov 2024

Homa Hoodfar, the Canadian-Iranian anthropologist who was imprisoned for a time in Evin, is one of the founders of WLUML. She is a tireless activist and a hero of mine, and I am proud to know her.

Turbineguy

(38,823 posts)
29. How republican of them.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 12:19 PM
Nov 2024

Solly Mack

(94,368 posts)
36. Damn
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:37 PM
Nov 2024

TBF

(35,056 posts)
47. "As well as bringing down the legal marriage age, the amendment would also
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 04:56 PM
Nov 2024

remove women’s rights to divorce, child custody and inheritance."

Coming soon to a red state near you. I need to get the hell out of Texas.

Runningdawg

(4,633 posts)
51. While our new leadership believes no consent is necessary at any age. Just grab 'em
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 04:00 PM
Nov 2024

BigMin28

(1,620 posts)
52. Billions of dollars
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 04:06 PM
Nov 2024

Spent during the Iraq War for defending America and democracy. All lies cheered on by the media. Since I woke up last Wednesday, I have been thinking about the words of Reverend Jeremiah Wright that caused such controversy and was used against President Obama's during his administration. I went back and read those words. The good Reverend was correct. America 's chickens are coming home to roost. In so many ways

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