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Related: About this forumEveryone Thought Hydrogen Failed -- Here's What They Missed
(Well not "Everyone", just most of the United States and the US "President" Dump, who still thinks its 1978)
Batteries vs. Hydrogen - a failed premise, these are complementary technologies. If you owned stock in a battery car company you wanted hydrogen to die. It didn't.
And it won't.
RELATED from Rotterdam, Holland
This was the World Hydrogen Summit & Exhibition 2026!
19-21 May 2026
Also:
China fast-tracks hydrogen strategy to scale-up phase in high-stakes energy transition
China targets bold innovation as falling renewable-energy costs allow it to leverage 50 per cent share of global green hydrogen production capacity
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3350313/china-fast-tracks-hydrogen-strategy-scale-phase-high-stakes-energy-transition
The only thing the US "targets" these days is human beings.
NNadir
(38,588 posts)From Statistica:

Statistica, coal plants by country.
The fossil fuel industry wants to represent that electricity in China is "green" and therefore their bait and switch "green hydrogen" via electrolysis is "green."
Hydrogen is overwhelmingly made in China from the steam reformation of coal, using coal as the heat source; this with the destruction of exergy.
The fossil fuel industry is prominently supported by antinukes, since nuclear energy is the only industry that can drive them out of business. All fossil fuel salespeople, including those wishing to rebrand fossil fuels as "hydrogen" are antinukes. There are no exceptions here, and most likely everywhere on Earth, a planet with a collapsing atmosphere.
In fact, China, has more coal powered electrical plants than the next 18 nations combined. Electricity in China is some of the dirtiest on Earth. Only 5% of the electricity in China comes from clean nuclear energy; although China leads the world in building nuclear plants, having built more than 60 in this century, with close to 40 under construction. It's not enough; that said, each nuclear plant is a coal plant not built in China, but the fact is that China has more than 90 new coal plants under construction.
In response to pro-coal antinuke propaganda seeking to rebrand fossil fuels as "hydrogen" I frequently cite my own work referencing the primary scientific literature, generally producing whining from coal salespeople at work at this rebranding.
Coal selling antinukes whine about me continuing to cite this response, but of course, the references therein only scratch the surface; anyone who is interested in the case could, if they give a shit, do the research for themselves, since tens of thousands upon upon tens of thousands of papers delineating how hydrogen is made appear in the scientific literature.
My brief referenced overview which I keep handy for whenever fossil fuel sales people hand out their line of advertised bullshit here:
A Giant Climate Lie: When they're selling hydrogen, what they're really selling is fossil fuels.
The references therein are consistent with most others in the primary scientific literature. Hydrogen is a filthy product; one necessary for industrial processes, the most important of which is the Haber-Bosch process on which the world food supply depends, but as a fuel, dangerously stupid and filthy to use.
All the slick videos produced by the fossil fuel industry pushing lies about "green hydrogen" do not change the reality; and like most outright lies by the fossil fuel industry, contribute to the ongoing collapse of the planetary atmosphere, a pernicious outcome.
Have a nice evening.
OKIsItJustMe
(22,176 posts)Unlike Tesla, they didnt decide to reinvent the semi (you know, putting the steering wheel in the center of the cab
did any truck driver ask for that innovation?)
Caribbeans
(1,317 posts)This will shock some people
Hyundai Motor Group to Pioneer Hong Kongs Hydrogen Economy, Accelerating Asia-Pacific Expansion
Hyundai Motor Group and partners in Hong Kong sign agreement at International Hydrogen Development Symposium 2026 to accelerate development of Hong Kongs hydrogen ecosystem
The Group to leverage waste-to-hydrogen (W2H) model, building on expertise from Korean and Indonesian markets
Plan includes local production of low-carbon hydrogen, development and operation of liquid hydrogen refueling stations and deployment of hydrogen-powered commercial vehicles
Partnership creates a launchpad for hydrogen business expansion across the Asia-Pacific region
https://www.hyundai.com/worldwide/en/newsroom/detail/0000001179

Hong Kong Is About To Become The FIRST City To Run 100% On Hydrogen
thought crime
(1,800 posts)Governments and communities are waking up to the need for advanced power grids and hydrogen infrastructure. Success builds upon success and it seems to be approaching a critical mass. Thank you for posting information about this incredible transistion.
Caribbeans
(1,317 posts)For having an open mind, This is some revolutionary stuff.
Hyundai is pioneering the future while Dump is tearing down wind turbines. Yikes! Embarrassing.
Next thing you know, some people might just ask why H2 costs ~$5.00 US per kilogram in China while it costs around $30.00 per Kg in California. I have theories. At $30.00 kg it makes hydrogen for pretty much everything a waste of time. Maybe that's why.