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SorellaLaBefana

(273 posts)
Sat Jan 18, 2025, 08:49 AM Jan 18

Snopes Fact Checks recent discussion of Octavia Butler's Eerily Correct descriptions of Current America

Snopes found this claimed prescient true: Attributing the author’s remarkably specific foresight to her understanding and insightful analysis of the last century's prevailing socio-political trends.


...When global climate change and economic crises lead to social chaos in the early 2020s, California becomes full of dangers, from pervasive water shortage to masses of vagabonds who will do anything to live to see another day. Fifteen-year-old Lauren Olamina lives inside a gated community with her preacher father, family, and neighbors, sheltered from the surrounding anarchy. In a society where any vulnerability is a risk, she suffers from hyperempathy, a debilitating sensitivity to others' emotions...

But it's the fire that holds our attention. Maybe it was started by accident. Maybe not. But still, people are losing what they may not be able to replace. Even if they survive, insurance isn't worth much these days...

In 2032, Lauren Olamina has survived the destruction of her home and family, and realized her vision of a peaceful community in northern California based on her newly founded faith, Earthseed. The fledgling community provides refuge for outcasts facing persecution after the election of an ultra-conservative president who vows to "make America great again." In an increasingly divided and dangerous nation, Lauren's subversive colony--a minority religious faction led by a young black woman--becomes a target for President Jarret's reign of terror and oppression...

https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/01/18/octavia-butler-parable-sower/

Snope also quotes a 2005 interview of Octavia Butler by Democracy Now!
I wrote the two "Parable" books, back in the '90s, they are books about, as I said, what happens because we don't trouble to correct some of the problems that we're brewing for ourselves right now. Global warming is one of those problems and I was aware of it back in the '80s. I was reading books about it and a lot of people were seeing it as politics, as something very iffy, as something they could ignore because nothing was going to come of it tomorrow. That and the fact that I think I was paying a lot of attention to education because a lot of my friends were teachers and the politics of education was getting scarier, it seemed to me. We were getting to that point where we were thinking more about the building of prisons than of schools and libraries. Not everybody was going in the wrong direction, but a lot of the country still was. And what I wanted to write was a novel of someone who was coming up with solutions of a sort.

Before we plunge into the darkness of the future, let’s briefly consider some of the other novelists who attempted to awaken us with thought experiments—highlighting a fundamental reason why fiction has always been with us.

We, Yevgeny Zamyatin (1921)
Critiques capitalist and communist ideologies, emphasizes dangers of conformity

It Can't Happen Here, Sinclair Lewis (1935)
Cautionary tale inspired by Fascism of the fragility of democracy and potential for authoritarianism to arise in the United States

1984, George Orwell (1949)
Limns use of extreme surveillance, propaganda, and psychological manipulation for control. Influenced by Zamyatin.

The Man in the High Castle, Philip K. Dick (1962)
Alternate history of America divided between Japanese and Nazi control. Looks at identity, reality, and authoritarianism.

And, of course: The Handmaid's Tale, Margaret Atwood (1985)
Theocracy comes to America. Told through the voice of Offred, a person forced into servitude as a reproductive vessel for a government that has stripped women of all autonomy and thus ceased to be a society.

Fundamental to all of the above, is a small amoral, power hungry group which alters the people’s perception of reality though repeated, blatant lies and manipulation of the means of spread of information.

Quis hic anulus campanis?—Does this ring any bells?

For a clear view of where we/'re headed, how we got here, read German author Hannah Arendt who experienced Hitler’s Germany firsthand. The best known of her works likely being The Origins of Totalitarianism (1951)

Get a copy, before they're all burned.

Ah yes writing that sentence reminded me that Ray Bradbury's 1953 Fahrenheit 451 was yet another light in the darkness...

Keep HOPE Alive.

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Snopes Fact Checks recent discussion of Octavia Butler's Eerily Correct descriptions of Current America (Original Post) SorellaLaBefana Jan 18 OP
Don't forget John Brunner . . . hatrack Jan 18 #1
Thank you. SorellaLaBefana Jan 18 #3
It is a real pleasure reading your posts. Where have you been before? erronis Jan 18 #11
I read this during Covid lockdown. intheflow Jan 18 #2
Agreed lonely bird Jan 18 #4
k&r n/t markie Jan 18 #5
Dear Ms. Butler! ChazInAz Jan 18 #6
Excellent post! Wild blueberry Jan 18 #7
Ursula LeGuin's "The Disconnected" is another dickthegrouch Jan 18 #8
I've been watching "Designated Survivor" again recently dickthegrouch Jan 18 #9
Link to Postman's book from Wikipedia lonely bird Jan 18 #10
Not to worry, soon we will have Djt, JDV, ELON, MTG, KashP, & dozens if not hundreds, of new people to show ..... usaf-vet Jan 18 #12
Interesting paragraph from Snopes LiberalArkie Jan 18 #13
Seattle Public Library: Our 2024 Seattle Reads selection is "Parable of the Sower" by Octavia Butler. cbabe Jan 18 #14
And don't forget ... SLClarke Jan 18 #15
Thank you for your post people Jan 18 #16
I have read several of Octavia Butler's novels. Jeebo Jan 18 #17

hatrack

(61,553 posts)
1. Don't forget John Brunner . . .
Sat Jan 18, 2025, 08:52 AM
Jan 18

"The Sheep Look Up" and "Stand On Zanzibar" dont have the political prescience of Octavia Butler, but they predate her by about 20 years on environmental problems.

SorellaLaBefana

(273 posts)
3. Thank you.
Sat Jan 18, 2025, 09:37 AM
Jan 18

I agree, The Sheep Look Up (1972) was another fine SciFi clarion call of the dangers of end-stage Capitalism, consumerism and pollution.

List wasn't meant to be exhaustive, and was focused on Totalitarianism which I see as the most immediate threat, and which will only make so many other problems—eg Anthropogenic Global Warming—much worse. There are so many other powerful works (fiction and non-fiction) which can be found on the loss of democracy

Octavia Butler's two "Parable" books are currently in the news because they are so spot on in so many details. We have been a long time going down this drainhole. One might recall that one of Ronny RayGun's 1980 campaign slogans was "Let's Make America Great Again"—which was later recycled and claimed as new and original by some other guy.

Let's also not forget that another recent slogan, "America First" has a long and complicated history. It is worth one's while to look into this. Very likely, one will (no matter one's current idea) be surprised.

As far as the Climate Crisis, one of my favourite works was Merchants of Doubt by historian Naomi Oreskes (2010). Again, there are, sadly, ever so many others.

ChazInAz

(2,827 posts)
6. Dear Ms. Butler!
Sat Jan 18, 2025, 10:18 AM
Jan 18

I knew her slightly and was impressed by her huge heart. She participated in one of Harlan Ellison's writers' workshops that I attended. She was a kind, rather vulnerable lady, who was taken from us way before her time. We lost her for the usual stupidly patriarchal reason: her doctor and her insurance company disregarded the Black woman's complaints, and misdiagnosed the cancer that killed her.

Wild blueberry

(7,338 posts)
7. Excellent post!
Sat Jan 18, 2025, 10:23 AM
Jan 18

Thank you for this thoughtful post and list of great books. I've been reading more (a lot more) since November 6, and it really helps. Helps me understand and helps me be calmer and more centered.
Art matters, and never more than when we are in times like this.
Thank you.

dickthegrouch

(3,774 posts)
8. Ursula LeGuin's "The Disconnected" is another
Sat Jan 18, 2025, 10:39 AM
Jan 18

It made a powerful impression on me when I read it at about 16yo. Not strictly totalitarianism vs liberalism, but more of a comparison between an idealized social system and a rigidly controlled one.

dickthegrouch

(3,774 posts)
9. I've been watching "Designated Survivor" again recently
Sat Jan 18, 2025, 10:48 AM
Jan 18

Season 2 with the presidential election build up is remarkably prescient of what happened last year with all the misinformation and dirty tricks.

usaf-vet

(7,161 posts)
12. Not to worry, soon we will have Djt, JDV, ELON, MTG, KashP, & dozens if not hundreds, of new people to show .....
Sat Jan 18, 2025, 11:22 AM
Jan 18

..... us the future.

What could possibly go wrong?

LiberalArkie

(17,007 posts)
13. Interesting paragraph from Snopes
Sat Jan 18, 2025, 11:37 AM
Jan 18
Butler actually had enough examples of the term "Make America Great Again" in the 1980s and '90s as inspiration for the cultlike figure of Jarret. In 1980, the Republican Party's then-presidential candidate Ronald Reagan campaigned alongside George H.W. Bush to the slogan "Let's Make America Great Again." In 1992 the Democratic candidate Bill Clinton began his campaign with the pledge to "make America great again," according to the National Museum of American History.



I am re-reading Daniel Saurez books Daemon and Freedom(TM)

Excellant techno thrillers about the peeps against the corporate-military-technical-money complex.

cbabe

(4,467 posts)
14. Seattle Public Library: Our 2024 Seattle Reads selection is "Parable of the Sower" by Octavia Butler.
Sat Jan 18, 2025, 11:43 AM
Jan 18
https://www.spl.org/programs-and-services/authors-and-books/seattle-reads/seattle-reads-2024

Our 2024 Seattle Reads selection is “Parable of the Sower” by Octavia Butler.

On this page:
About “Parable of the Sower” About Octavia Butler Seattle Reads Books and Information for Book Groups



Octavia E. Butler, often referred to as the “grand dame of science fiction,” was the author of several award-winning novels including Parable of the Sower and Parable of the Talents, winner of the Nebula Award for Best Novel. Recipient of a MacArthur Foundation “genius” grant and numerous literary awards, she has been acclaimed for her lean prose, strong protagonists, and social observations in stories that range from the distant past to the far future. She passed away in Seattle on February 24, 2006.

… more …

(Also thanks for all your other book suggestions.)

SLClarke

(53 posts)
15. And don't forget ...
Sat Jan 18, 2025, 11:46 AM
Jan 18

Sherri Tepper who consistently wrote about the same subject - Gibbon's Decline and Fall (one of my favorites), After Long Silence, Beauty and more.

people

(724 posts)
16. Thank you for your post
Sat Jan 18, 2025, 11:46 AM
Jan 18

We have Parable of the Sower but I haven't read it yet. Will also look at the books you have listed that i have not read.

Jeebo

(2,354 posts)
17. I have read several of Octavia Butler's novels.
Sat Jan 18, 2025, 02:03 PM
Jan 18

I read "Kindred" three times. I have a copy of "Parable of the Sower" somewhere in the house but can't remember whether it's one of the ones I've read. I'll look for it and make sure to read it if I haven't already. I have read some of the other books on your list, too.

— Ron

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