Luigi Mangione CHARGED with first degree murder and terrorism in Manhattan indictment - Deadline - MSNBC

[Rhiannon12866]

MSNBC legal correspondent Lisa Rubin and former FBI general counsel Andrew Weissmann join Alicia Menendez to discuss the new Manhattan indictment against Luigi Mangione in the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson where he was charged with one count of first degree murder in furtherance of terrorism, two counts of murder in the second degree – one of which is charged as an act of terrorism. - Aired on 12/18/2024.

[Skittles]

1. GOOD

he is a gun humping, POS MURDERER

I do think he has severe mental issues so that may be his only defense.

[xocetaceans]

6. Your emphatic response seems to indicate that you agree on the terrorism charge. Is that correct?

That charge seems more like a spaghetti-against-the-wall attempt to make the health insurance CEOs happy and comfortable that the crime is being taken "super" seriously. (Why not charge him with (high) treason as well? Yes, obviously, that would also be ridiculous.)

An unusually wide-spread and expressed degree of public apathy about the lack of survival of the target of a crime does not make a terrorist out of the alleged perpetrator any more than it would make the alleged perpetrator a traitor. It just means that the victim was perceived to have had certain egregious ethical or moral flaws of which the public had made note (e.g. Osama bin Laden). So, it seems that the prosecutors are just overplaying their hand, and that overreach might not sit well with a jury unless they happen to seat exclusively a jury of CEOs or other corporate officers.

Regardless of the above, yes, murder is bad/wrong/etc. ad infinitum ... whether it is done by bullets to the back or by a lengthy denial of healthcare by actors shielded behind a corporate wall that acts to diffuse responsibility. So, the murder should never have happened, and for-profit health insurance companies need to be disbanded.

[Skittles]

7. going out of state to ambush and shoot someone in the back

what would you call it?

[xocetaceans]

17. Murder...

Do you have any further insight?

[Skittles]

18. he is supposedly targeting an industry

so by his logic, all healthcare execs would be targets - that is terrorism

and yes I think what healthcare insurance in America has sunk to is disgusting, but murder is not a solution

[xocetaceans]

19. No one here ever said that murder is a solution.

The charge of terrorism is only there to make a point to broader society that there should be no follow-on copycats and that whatever his reasoning behind his malign action, it should not be considered as valid and not be broadly discussed. Obviously, he came up with the wrong attempted solution to the problem of distribution of healthcare (if that was his goal).

If anything, this sort of charging reaction and the hiding of information by health insurance CEO's only strengthens the arguments that the health insurance industry's predatory behavior is tacitly supported by the government and that the industry's CEO's understand that they are guilty of denying large numbers of people healthcare up to and including to the point of harming them, even fatally.

Also, one might say that this exaggerated response by the authorities and by the health insurance industry's leaders indicates a mens rae, and that this is just a manifestation of a donor class expecting to be protected and allowed to continue with its exploitation of the public.

This sort of charging will possibly end up being an example of the Streisand effect...if it is not already one.

[Jilly_in_VA]

2. I think

that's a bit of a misuse of "terrorism" as a charge. But that's just my opinion.

[rampartd]

3. just because ceos are terrorized this is clearly 1st degree murder

"terrorism " seems a bit much for a guy with 1 specific target.

have any school shooters or 1/6 terrorists been charged with "terrorism.?"

[citizen blues]

4. What?!?! But the GOP Said Gun Violence Was Due to Mental Illness! NT

[Dan]

5. Me thinks

That they want to find him guilty and execute him in a message to the little people.

Now, while I would probably say that he is guilty of the crime, I would find him innocent of the charges.

I suspect that there might be one or more on his jury trial that might say the same.

Maybe the wrong person is on trial.

[Skittles]

8. so now it's OK to play judge jury and executioner?

WTF

[Dan]

9. Curious

who are you referring to, me or the State?

[Skittles]

10. ANYONE who excuses that POS gun humping MURDERER

UGH

[Dan]

11. Wow, ....

A man driven to the limits who probably has explored all options and realizes that those options are really denied to him due to the powers of a corporation - commits an act that most would regard as a crime.

Not a POS, just a man who acted out of frustration.

I suspect that there are lots of people that are driven to desperate acts when they have run out of options, hope and find that they have nothing left to lose.

Not a POS - just a man.

Then, we have this CEO - one of many - who profited off the misfortunate of others, unknown number who may have died because of an AI algorithm that he authorized/promoted, what is he - is he a POS or an ANGEL of capitalism?

[Skittles]

12. omfg

we really don't know WHY he did it - I suspect it had more to do with him being a NUTCASE than anything else

and seriously, are you OK with, say, pro-lifers shooting abortion doctors? if not, WHY not - THEY feel "justified" too

I NEVER thought I'd see the day when DUers were excusing gun humping MURDERERS, it is VERY disturbing

DONE here, UGH!!!

[Dan]

13. well, I did read the document

where he was discussing the issues related to the health of his mother; the $180,000 medical expense; the denial of services... but I really didn't spend that much time on the document. But, I read about a man that had reached his limits. Each person has their own limits.

But again, which Murderer are you referring to here? The one with the gun or the one with the pen?

[mzmolly]

15. "The one with the gun or the one with the pen?"

[mzmolly]

14. What should we call people who choose to kill by denying health care for a bonus check?

Something other than murderers?

I'm sorry for the loss of life, the CEO's life, Mangioni's freedom and the lives of countless victims of the profit-driven health care industry.

That said, I would venture a guess that CEO has more blood on his hands, than Mangioni ever could.

[TheProle]

16. Good

He will get his due process, even after denying it to his victim.