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Uncle Joe

(60,966 posts)
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 12:42 PM Jan 23

Israel Continues Deadly Attack on Jenin; Trump Lifts Sanctions on Extremist West Bank Settlers



While a ceasefire is largely holding in Gaza, Israel is intensifying attacks on the occupied West Bank. The Israeli military has killed at least 13 people in a major military operation targeting Jenin that began on Tuesday when Israeli troops raided the city, backed by airstrikes, drones and U.S.-made Apache helicopters, following a six-week siege. Meanwhile, Israeli settlers in the West Bank have been "emboldened" by Trump's lifting of sanctions on far-right Israeli settler groups. Further violence is increasingly likely, says Mariam Barghouti, a Palestinian writer and journalist based in Ramallah in the occupied West Bank. "We're seeing Israel wage a war that very much resembles the practices they have committed in Gaza," with Palestinians left "completely defenseless," she says. "It's a very slow slaughter of Palestinians. If you survive a bullet, you don't know if you're going to survive daily life."

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Israel Continues Deadly Attack on Jenin; Trump Lifts Sanctions on Extremist West Bank Settlers (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jan 23 OP
Is Anyone Surprised By This? Deep State Witch Jan 23 #1
Different location, same tactics. Ethnic cleansing is still the Israeli goal. patphil Jan 23 #2
Ethnically cleanse who and from where? lapucelle Jan 24 #19
Those protesters sure showed Biden! sheshe2 Jan 23 #3
Post removed Post removed Jan 23 #4
Biden/Harris listened to your needs. Stop with the gaslighting. SunSeeker Jan 23 #5
I never said that Biden/Harris never listened to my needs, so stop your own gaslighting. Uncle Joe Jan 23 #6
OFFS You said: "I imagine that 's it's difficult to vote for someone that won't listen to your needs." SunSeeker Jan 23 #7
It's just basic common sense and logic. Uncle Joe Jan 23 #8
Stop playing word games. We both understood what you and I meant by "your." SunSeeker Jan 23 #9
The only one playing word games is "you." Uncle Joe Jan 23 #10
BS. Random folks not getting to speak at the DNC is not evidence Biden's "not listening." SunSeeker Jan 23 #11
It's highly visible evidence to the Palestinian American community being affected by genocide to their families, Uncle Joe Jan 23 #12
The Michigan fuckwits and their ilk divided the Democratic Party, not Biden. SunSeeker Jan 23 #13
Who said a war couldn't morph into a genocide? Uncle Joe Jan 23 #14
If it was a genocide, there wouldn't be any Palestinians left there by now. SunSeeker Jan 23 #15
Where did you see that genocide has a time frame as to how long it's supposed to last? Uncle Joe Jan 24 #16
Those "Uncommited" Michigan idiots who voted for Trump are the ones who gave Bibi a free pass. SunSeeker Jan 24 #18
Exactly! sheshe2 Jan 24 #17

Deep State Witch

(11,639 posts)
1. Is Anyone Surprised By This?
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 12:55 PM
Jan 23

Especially those who didn't vote for Kamala because of Biden's support of Israel?

lapucelle

(19,814 posts)
19. Ethnically cleanse who and from where?
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 07:09 AM
Jan 24
Ethnic Cleansing: Rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group, which is contrary to international law.

https://bit.ly/422wBtu

There are about 1.6 million Arab/Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 21% of the total Israeli population, including one who sits on the Israeli Supreme Court. The "ethnic cleansing" narrative doesn't hold up under even the most basic type of scrutiny.



sheshe2

(90,307 posts)
3. Those protesters sure showed Biden!
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 01:18 PM
Jan 23

Rashida Tlaib Slammed for Urging Voters to Withhold ...

Newsweek
https://www.newsweek.com › ... › Israel at War
Feb 20, 2024 — Tlaib told the people of Michigan to vote "uncommitted" in the primary if they want their calls for a ceasefire in Gaza heard.

Tlaib declines to say whether she'll back Biden in ...

Politico
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Feb 29, 2024 — Rep. Rashida Tlaib urged Michigan voters to look at the “whole ballot” in November rather than stay home in protest of President Joe Biden's handling of the ...

Rashida Tlaib critical of Biden admin's role in Israel-Hamas war

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Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., is urging Democrats in Dearborn, Michigan, to vote against President Joe Biden in the state's upcoming Democratic primary.
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Rashida Tlaib urges Democrats to vote 'uncommitted' in ...

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Feb 19, 2024 — Along with several other officials, Tlaib has openly criticized the Biden administration's position in the Israel-Hamas war – calling for an ...

Rashida Tlaib's call to vote against Biden in primary ...

Detroit Free Press
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Feb 19, 2024 — The Democratic congresswoman added her voice to those saying an uncommitted vote helps push the president toward demanding an Israeli ...

Response to sheshe2 (Reply #3)

SunSeeker

(55,000 posts)
7. OFFS You said: "I imagine that 's it's difficult to vote for someone that won't listen to your needs."
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 03:31 PM
Jan 23

What the fuck else does that mean? You are excusing people who didn't vote for Biden/Harris by claiming it was because Biden/Harris didn't listen to their needs.

Just stop. Nobody here is buying that bullshit.

Uncle Joe

(60,966 posts)
8. It's just basic common sense and logic.
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 03:46 PM
Jan 23

My family and friends weren't facing genocide, as my homeland, schools, hospitals and universities were all turned into rubble and I would wager that neither were yours.

I voted for Harris and Walz, but I can walk in the shoes of some people that couldn't bring themselves to do it.

People have different thresholds on what their conscious will allow them to do, that's just basic human nature.



SunSeeker

(55,000 posts)
9. Stop playing word games. We both understood what you and I meant by "your."
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 03:59 PM
Jan 23

Biden/Harris definitely listened to those with friends and family in Gaza. They did everything they could to lower civilian casualties, short of abandoning Israel. The idiots who refused to vote for Harris, especially those in Michigan who in fact went on to vote for Trump, didn't do it out of "conscience." They did it out of stupidity and spite. They are responsible for what is happening today. Fuck them. Fuck whoever voted for Trump or enabled his election by refusing to vote at all.

Uncle Joe

(60,966 posts)
10. The only one playing word games is "you."
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 04:18 PM
Jan 23

No one was pushing for Israel to be "abandoned" (speaking of word games).

Israel; ruled by right wing extremists is the overwhelming power of the region, the Palestinians were facing genocide.

Indicted war criminal Netanyahu is a close family friend of Jared Kushner and the writing was on the wall early on that he had no intention to do anything that would help Biden/Harris.

Longtime loyal government servants were quitting the State Department over our one sided policy.

Palestinian Americans weren't even allowed to speak at the convention, that's what I mean when I say "not listening."

SunSeeker

(55,000 posts)
11. BS. Random folks not getting to speak at the DNC is not evidence Biden's "not listening."
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 08:05 PM
Jan 23

If we don't provide military aid to Israel while it is at war with terrorists who started the war, then yes, we would be abandoning Israel. The Biden/Harris administration limited the kind of weapons Israel got and pressured for, and got, more humanitarian aid to Gazans and establishment of safe zones. Sadly, Hamas subverted all that by stealing the aid and setting up shop in the safe zones.

We get enough disinformation from Trump. You don't need to add to it. You especially don't need to stoke division among Dems on Gaza. All it did before the election, and all it is doing now, is HELPING TRUMP.

Uncle Joe

(60,966 posts)
12. It's highly visible evidence to the Palestinian American community being affected by genocide to their families,
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 08:39 PM
Jan 23

friends and homeland.

There is nothing random about genocide and Netanyahu is an indicted war criminal who was fully aware of the threat that *rump posed against our own democracy, but he didn't care or have anymore respect for democracy here in the U.S. than he does for the apartheid state of Israel.

We didn't limit the weapons enough by far and Netanyahu thumbed his nose continuously at Biden and any serious attempt at working out a permanent ceasefire.

The whole world knows it's genocide and if Hamas stole some of the supplies, Israel as the occupying power still had/has a legal responsibility to take care of the Palestinian people as a whole.

There was an estimated 25 to 30 thousand members of Hamas in a population of nearly 2 and third million Palestinians and almost half of them are under 17 years of age.

When we decide that international law or the United Nations doesn't matter anymore, that the ICJ's rulings are illegitimate, how is that different than *rump's trashing of the legal system here in the U.S.?

There is simply no excuse for genocide period and ignoring or supporting that did more to divide the Democratic Party than anything else.

SunSeeker

(55,000 posts)
13. The Michigan fuckwits and their ilk divided the Democratic Party, not Biden.
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 08:51 PM
Jan 23

What Gaza experienced was not genocide, it was a war. The folks screaming genocide literally put an orange Hitler in power with that bullshit. Now they are reaping what they sowed. Sadly, they fucked all the rest of us over too.

Uncle Joe

(60,966 posts)
14. Who said a war couldn't morph into a genocide?
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 09:03 PM
Jan 23

This was obvious within weeks both by Israel's actions and self-incriminating statements by members of Netanyahu's government.

SunSeeker

(55,000 posts)
15. If it was a genocide, there wouldn't be any Palestinians left there by now.
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 09:59 PM
Jan 23

Instead, even using Hamas' high estimate that includes Hamas combatant deaths, there were 45,936 killed out of a population of 2.1 Million in this urban war. That is pretty low collateral damage for any war, let alone an urban war where combatants hid among civilians.

Biden got them their ceasefire, like he promised.

Alas, thanks to the Michigan fuckwits and their ilk that you and DemocracyNow! magnified, Trump won the election and is taking credit for the ceasefire, while at the same time letting Bibi do whatever he wants. You might finally get that genocide you've been crying wolf over. FAFO in the extreme.

Uncle Joe

(60,966 posts)
16. Where did you see that genocide has a time frame as to how long it's supposed to last?
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 12:26 AM
Jan 24

Not to mention that figure doesn't include thousands if not tens of thousands of missing people buried in the rubble.

The whole world knows a genocide when they see it, that's why Netanyahu barred the world's press from reporting in Gaza then proceeded to deliberately target the Palestinians reporting from there.

You can blame the people of Michigan all you want while giving Netanyahu a free pass for not agreeing to this same essential ceasefire agreement last May.

He wanted *rump back in power no matter it how much it threatened our democracy, yet you seem to have no problem with that.



SunSeeker

(55,000 posts)
18. Those "Uncommited" Michigan idiots who voted for Trump are the ones who gave Bibi a free pass.
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 01:56 AM
Jan 24
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