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usonian

(18,366 posts)
61. Just two cents' worth.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 11:16 AM
Apr 30

Last edited Wed Apr 30, 2025, 11:58 AM - Edit history (1)

Nobody was more supportive of the Biden administration as Bernie, acting in a critical role.

Democrats have been successfully smeared as (whatever) by the RW hate machine, leaving doubts in voters' minds as they enter the polls. Especially, the hatchet job done on Hillary. Democrats have been ineffective in countering those smears.

Would you support a Manchin, Jared Golden or similar in a primary? Nobody needs double agents.

All that said, an independent from the left is IMO more beneficial than a DINO double agent.

YES, there is strength in numbers, and Bernie is defending his own turf, but in the big picture, he is doing what he feels best for the people as a whole, and is consistent.

And of course, you are free to disagree on what best counters the fascist party.

Edit to add:

I want people with principles and guts.

Biden DoJ-indicted conservative Dem Henry Cuellar turns on his party, goes on Fox and has a go at Dems over Abrego Garca
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220281509

Newsom and Whitmer moving towards the middle (or the orange blob).
No way could I touch that piece of shit without bathing for weeks in Purell.
Progressive ideas ARE the core of the Democratic party, not milquetoast compromise and subservience to wealthy donors.

Here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20279743

copy and paste:
People attending rallies in huge numbers are saying
YES to raising the minimum wage,
YES to expanding Social Security,
YES to guaranteeing health care as a human right,
YES, to cutting the cost of prescription drugs,
YES to paid family and medical leave,
YES to equal pay for equal work,
YES to more affordable housing,
YES to making childcare and higher education affordable to all,
YES to taking on the existential threat of climate change.

And most importantly they are saying
YES to a government and an economy that works for all of us and not just the billionaire class and the Oligarchs.

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5 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Great man Grim Chieftain Apr 29 #1
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Apr 29 #2
Sanders exemplifies what it should mean to be a "Democrat" FoxNewsSucks Apr 29 #3
All Democratic leaders should be joining with Bernie & AOC to grow a Massive Movement thought crime Apr 29 #5
I've been saying this since 2015 LilElf70 Apr 29 #13
Even though Bernie is not a Democrat. n/t totodeinhere Apr 29 #6
Yep. Which is really even more shameful for them FoxNewsSucks Apr 29 #7
Shameful? How so? sheshe2 Apr 30 #46
Well, I guess I'm not cut out to be a "team player" FoxNewsSucks Apr 30 #68
Several Democrats have been speaking out etc. kerry-is-my-prez May 1 #73
Interesting response to me. sheshe2 May 1 #75
An ideology of insults, disinformation, hate, anger, cynicism is all the Revolution Establishment tells its betsuni May 1 #78
Yes and I thank you for noticing. sheshe2 May 1 #80
"Divisive" was redefined 10 yrs ago, means objecting to false accusations and bashing of Democrats, threats. betsuni May 1 #82
Highly recommended democrank Apr 29 #4
He's recruiting and training people to run as Independents. lapucelle Apr 29 #8
How many Fortune 500 company's or CEO's have donated to Sanders or AOC? vs the regular leaders of the party? LiberalArkie Apr 29 #9
I don't know of any CEOs/Fortune 500 companies who have donated to Democratic leaders. There is Ro Khanna, lapucelle Apr 29 #20
That will hurt d chances in elections.. some people never learn Meowmee Apr 29 #11
Well this last election went fucking gangbusters for us, so maybe a different approach will help. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 29 #23
and 'progressive democrats' et tu Apr 29 #14
No, that's not the "shit" which should be fucked. FoxNewsSucks Apr 29 #26
Sorry, but recruiting and training candidates who want to run as Independents against Democrats lapucelle Apr 29 #29
Recruiting anyone who runs as a genuine liberal FoxNewsSucks Apr 29 #30
So you would vote for/support a "liberal" Independent running against a Democrat like Ro Khanna? lapucelle Apr 29 #32
Ro Khanna is quite liberal, not one of the ineffective establishment-types. FoxNewsSucks Apr 29 #34
Wow, so you think that Bernie Sanders is trying to "take [Democrats] out" and replace them with Independents? lapucelle Apr 29 #35
Don't put words in my mouth, FoxNewsSucks Apr 29 #45
How does Sanders embody what the Democratic Party should stand for and do? betsuni Apr 30 #48
Speaking up for middle class and working people TheFarseer Apr 30 #64
For example, how did our last Democratic president not speak up for the working/middle classes? betsuni Apr 30 #65
I will not violate forum rules. Nt TheFarseer Apr 30 #66
Does not violate forum rules if it's true. If it's true there's evidence and examples. betsuni May 1 #72
That doesn't really describe Biden. FoxNewsSucks Apr 30 #70
We are told the oligarchs, billionaires, donors, corporations control the party. That included Biden as leader of the betsuni May 1 #74
Speaking of words, the terms of your argument appear to have shifted lapucelle Apr 30 #50
No. Your first sentence refers to the same people FoxNewsSucks Apr 30 #69
Democrats and Independents are the same people? No they're not. lapucelle May 1 #71
Yeah, Joe Manchin "was actually a Democrat", before he abandoned the party... Jack Valentino Apr 29 #38
Yup. Running against a fictional demonized Democratic Party for its imaginary sins. betsuni Apr 30 #47
As our last election clearly points to, money is not going to fix it. For me, Bernie and AOC are about democracy. Magoo48 Apr 30 #57
"Bernie Sanders Has an Idea for the Left: Don't Run as Democrats" lapucelle Apr 30 #59
A consistent voice malaise Apr 29 #10
Wish we had a thousand Bernie Sanders out there doing what he's doing. wordstroken Apr 29 #12
I do support getting out and bringing our case before the voters more. Sorry, but Bernie is not getting us more Dems. Jit423 Apr 29 #15
Beating the fascists Cirsium Apr 29 #19
"We can campaign with Cheney but we can't work with progressive independents?" FoxNewsSucks Apr 29 #21
Thanks Cirsium Apr 29 #31
What he did for us in 2016? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 29 #24
Selective memory apparently isn't just a republicon ailment. FoxNewsSucks Apr 29 #27
The way Democratic voters have set out the last few election I think that those voters think Autumn Apr 29 #28
I still can't quite shake what Hillary did to us in 2016---- Jack Valentino Apr 29 #39
Agee Faux pas Apr 29 #43
They also treated Hillary like crap- both progressives and male media members. kerry-is-my-prez May 1 #77
Gee, Bernie and true facts are right AGAIN!!!! LilElf70 Apr 29 #16
I post emails from Bernie in The Way Forward. usonian Apr 29 #17
Seems to me, THAT should be the Democratic Party platform. FoxNewsSucks Apr 29 #22
Of course. usonian Apr 29 #25
It is. What's not in the platform? betsuni Apr 30 #49
Democrats have accomplished pretty much all of that in NYS. lapucelle Apr 29 #36
In another email, he asks people like us to run for office. Cede nothing! usonian Apr 29 #40
He's recruiting and training folks to run as Democrats or to RUN AGAINST DEMOCRATS as Independents. lapucelle Apr 30 #52
Just two cents' worth. usonian Apr 30 #61
Those are Democratic Party initiatives by NYS, some launched going back as far as 2014 lapucelle Apr 30 #63
NYS Democrats were asleep at the wheel when George Santos replaced a Democrat in the House. nt PufPuf23 May 1 #76
Did you work that race? I did. Actually, it was the press was asleep at the wheel. lapucelle May 1 #81
How about some links to posts you made at DU during the elections that brought Santos to the House? nt PufPuf23 May 1 #83
Sorry. That doesn't work on me. There's an advanced search feature that you are welcome to use. lapucelle May 2 #84
Concise summary of the Democratic Party platform. PufPuf23 Apr 29 #41
This is The Way Akakoji Apr 29 #18
Right there with you, Bernie! Always have been! ananda Apr 29 #33
He's right Renew Deal Apr 29 #37
Bernie is and Faux pas Apr 29 #42
Recommended. H2O Man Apr 29 #44
I'd rather listen to a Democrat. RandySF Apr 30 #51
Who does that division help? Repubs right? Was that your intent? questionseverything Apr 30 #53
Yes, of course. RandySF Apr 30 #54
A stern letter read out loud. Democrats part of the "Them" in the populist "Us vs Them" status quo. betsuni Apr 30 #55
Go Bernie Go gab13by13 Apr 30 #56
Why not just say James Carville? Quiet Em Apr 30 #58
The GQP has set out a bold new vision of how this country should function. Clouds Passing Apr 30 #60
I'm wearing my Bernie t-shirt to our protest tomorrow evening. Greybnk48 Apr 30 #62
He's going for the Gilded Age 2 SleeplessinSoCal Apr 30 #67
There are many places where the Democratic party cannot win. So let them run as Independents. Intractable May 1 #79
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