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Cirsium

(2,789 posts)
57. Who doesn't?
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:42 PM
Apr 2025

That is not the point. The right wingers don't focus on elections and they don't rely on hope. The mistake we make is promoting electoral politics. The right wingers win at the local level, in the propaganda wars, in the media and they let the elections take care of themselves. They are fighting - and winning - the battle to determine the terms of the debate, and to gain the attention of their audience.

When we focus on elections as though they were a cause of social change rather than an effect of social change, we handicap our efforts. While we are saying "hire us we are the better managers" they say "we are about you, join the movement and make America great." Of course it is bullshit, but it works and we do not have a strong response.

Watching videos here this morning of Trump and his accomplices being interviewed, it is clear to me that they win every interaction with the journalists, providing that the viewer does not know that they are lying.

The right wing propagandists have infiltrated every nook and cranny of society with a supposed "common sense" message and they give people as sense of importance and of belonging. The talking points are developed by lavishly funded tested on focus groups, and then pounded into people's heads from every direction 24/7 for years and years now. We have not developed an effective counter strategy.

MAGA is working all the time, they are at war with us. We focus on selling and marketing our candidates and the party with an approach that mostly appeals to people who are already interested in politics, ad who are upper middle class professionals. Schumer said as much not long ago. They are building community and winning the culture war. That is how they can win despite having very unpopular policies.

Again and again here people are saying, especially in the grifting videos posted, that they are melting down, losing it, flipping out, etc. Only in our eyes is any of that true.

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Send this info to the media. If you don't think NYT would report it, Ocelot II Apr 2025 #1
Propublica! Can report anonymously! SheltieLover Apr 2025 #5
Also JOsh Marshall at Talking Points Memo: Amaryllis Apr 2025 #54
Examples of this tactic have been in the media WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2025 #2
Yes, exactly except maybe not being a confidential police informant. He should contact his police handlers... dutch777 Apr 2025 #7
Not just a couple of cops should accompany him. WestMichRad Apr 2025 #10
you'd lose that bet quakerboy Apr 2025 #42
That is the key. Is there any power i the courts that can actually harm MadameButterfly Apr 2025 #47
lol sorry but what do you think the cops would do? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2025 #11
Yup. Anyone who isn't aware of their strategy of shooting fish in a barrel hasn't been paying attention. Ms. Toad Apr 2025 #9
Trump, failing at everything, wants/needs to rack up a body count of deportees he can boast about Attilatheblond Apr 2025 #13
NYT Lulu KC Apr 2025 #3
Maybe get this out on Youtube, and other social media sites. jrthin Apr 2025 #4
Any other site that you know and trust would work. calimary May 2025 #60
I am pretty sure I read, here, about usedtobedemgurl Apr 2025 #6
Write a sypathetic Congressmember, your own Rep even if they are MAGA, a Senator, the local news ... marble falls Apr 2025 #8
Yes, Pro Publica has safe ways to send things like this: Amaryllis Apr 2025 #12
Good link to save - ProPublica. Thanks. n/t yellow dahlia Apr 2025 #40
This makes me sick. And, as another poster said this Quakerfriend Apr 2025 #14
Why the ones who are legal? Because they have already shown they are compliant, so they will show up... Hekate Apr 2025 #19
It's also known as a honey pot. Attract as many flies as you can, then close the lid. Gotcha! hadEnuf Apr 2025 #34
If there were indeed enough rapists and murders to deport they wouldn't have to MadameButterfly Apr 2025 #48
I had noted that strategy. Really low life. Karadeniz Apr 2025 #15
Thank you SSJVegeta Apr 2025 #16
Was his lawyer able to help him at all. I would like to think the lawyer would be better versed Fla Dem Apr 2025 #17
Of course we are all at risk Cirsium Apr 2025 #28
OMG mzmolly Apr 2025 #18
2026 is a year away - protesting NOW, pressure NOW is what we need. nt TBF Apr 2025 #23
Agree. I'm talking about taking back the house/senate. mzmolly Apr 2025 #43
I know, my dear, just commenting that it may not be soon enough TBF May 2025 #61
Agree. mzmolly May 2025 #62
No magic there Cirsium Apr 2025 #27
Except winning congress mzmolly Apr 2025 #44
That is the hope Cirsium Apr 2025 #45
K mzmolly Apr 2025 #46
Pretty serious Cirsium Apr 2025 #55
As do I. mzmolly Apr 2025 #56
Who doesn't? Cirsium Apr 2025 #57
I did not suggest that winning elections is the only mzmolly Apr 2025 #58
Good Cirsium Apr 2025 #59
Excellent post. I'd give it 1000+ recs. wnylib May 2025 #64
Thanks Cirsium May 2025 #66
IF there are midterm elections. What if they get cancelled for "national security" reasons? wnylib May 2025 #63
yeah. they trapped the vermont student who was going for legal american. on npr. pansypoo53219 Apr 2025 #20
Boosting j.preston Apr 2025 #21
Tick-Tock 💥 j.preston Apr 2025 #22
+1 dalton99a Apr 2025 #38
I now carry my Passport card for this reason. n/t aggiesal Apr 2025 #24
What "press?" Cirsium Apr 2025 #25
Exactly! OldBaldy1701E Apr 2025 #49
I might guess and any immigrant who has reported on gang activity which might be indicative of the ability to LiberalArkie Apr 2025 #26
I understand. I firmly believe that those sub-human bastards would send Jesus himself to the dungeon... chouchou Apr 2025 #29
So eerily like 1930s Germany. Joinfortmill Apr 2025 #30
Yes, it is. wnylib May 2025 #65
K&R Bayard Apr 2025 #31
Good for you seta1950 Apr 2025 #32
Thank you for reporting this proud patriot Apr 2025 #33
Do we know they will deport him? HereForTheParty Apr 2025 #35
Good on you, for your principled stand! BobTheSubgenius Apr 2025 #36
So if they are deporting these people Figarosmom Apr 2025 #37
"Do You Have a Tip for ProPublica? Here's How to Contact Us Securely." Pinback Apr 2025 #39
Saving also. n/t yellow dahlia Apr 2025 #41
Thanks to all who suggested tips AverageOldGuy Apr 2025 #50
Trump views immigrants, LGBTQ, POC, Democrats, and Muslims as less than human. Doodley Apr 2025 #51
maybe part of the pro bono work can be to accompany samnsara Apr 2025 #52
I'm confused FBaggins Apr 2025 #53
Unless you have your real name, I don't think they can't figure it out. kerry-is-my-prez May 2025 #67
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