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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders: To our establishment friends in the Democratic Party [View all]sheshe2
(95,830 posts)75. Interesting response to me.
Well, I guess I'm not cut out to be a "team player"
Never have been. I do not do as the MAGAts who go along with whatever their leader decrees.
Never have been. I do not do as the MAGAts who go along with whatever their leader decrees.
I stated in my post that I am a Democrat and I always vote for Democrats. Yet here you are comparing me to a MAGAt voter that just goes along with whatever Dear Leader decrees? What is wrong with you and why the attack on me?
I agree with the liberal points in the post I referenced. I'll support any candidate who fights for that. I want it to be the Democratic party and it should be the Democratic Party, but not all of the candidates with D after their name will stand up for those issues. That's why I called it shameful. An "I" has to stand up for what "D"s should already be doing.
I could never vote for Bernie with an I after his name because I do not live in Vermont and theirfore not my Senator, not my state and I am not eligible to vote there.
When Bernie runs for President HE CHANGES his party affiliation to D. He RUNS as a Democrat.
This from 2024:
Bernie Sanders filed Monday to be a candidate for the Senate in 2024 as an independent.
But last month, Sanders filed as a Democrat for president.
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But with Sanders, it creates the odd situation of having a high-profile presidential candidate file to run for two different offices with different parties, just as the Democratic Party is adopting rules mandating presidential candidates take something of a loyalty pledge.
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/04/700121429/bernie-sanders-files-to-run-as-a-democrat-and-an-independent
But last month, Sanders filed as a Democrat for president.
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But with Sanders, it creates the odd situation of having a high-profile presidential candidate file to run for two different offices with different parties, just as the Democratic Party is adopting rules mandating presidential candidates take something of a loyalty pledge.
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/04/700121429/bernie-sanders-files-to-run-as-a-democrat-and-an-independent
Also, I feel like I would be a hypocrite to mock the way rightwingers fall in line to support what they're told, then follow establishment Democratic leadership when it continuously drifts more and more to the right of the liberal policies I believe in.
So what you are saying to us, and accusing me of is walking lockstep with that dreadful word ya all love to toss out "Establishment" Democratic leadership.
I brought up Manchin/Sinema as the perfect example of Democrats who worked to actively undermine the good things Joe Biden tried to accomplish, yet were defended here simply because they had a "D" after their names. At least for a while, anyway. Yet Bernie Sanders is constantly attacked, despite living up to liberal Democratic policy and working toward that goal.
No one here likes Manchin or Sinema and you can now add Fetterman to that list as well. Never trusted him and I do remember many here were all for the man.
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Your last paragraph, the note to jury.... I LOLed that you felt the need for that.🤔 I don't alert, I respond.
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All Democratic leaders should be joining with Bernie & AOC to grow a Massive Movement
thought crime
Apr 2025
#5
An ideology of insults, disinformation, hate, anger, cynicism is all the Revolution Establishment tells its
betsuni
May 2025
#78
"Divisive" was redefined 10 yrs ago, means objecting to false accusations and bashing of Democrats, threats.
betsuni
May 2025
#82
How many Fortune 500 company's or CEO's have donated to Sanders or AOC? vs the regular leaders of the party?
LiberalArkie
Apr 2025
#9
I don't know of any CEOs/Fortune 500 companies who have donated to Democratic leaders. There is Ro Khanna,
lapucelle
Apr 2025
#20
Well this last election went fucking gangbusters for us, so maybe a different approach will help.
Cuthbert Allgood
Apr 2025
#23
Sorry, but recruiting and training candidates who want to run as Independents against Democrats
lapucelle
Apr 2025
#29
So you would vote for/support a "liberal" Independent running against a Democrat like Ro Khanna?
lapucelle
Apr 2025
#32
Ro Khanna is quite liberal, not one of the ineffective establishment-types.
FoxNewsSucks
Apr 2025
#34
Wow, so you think that Bernie Sanders is trying to "take [Democrats] out" and replace them with Independents?
lapucelle
Apr 2025
#35
For example, how did our last Democratic president not speak up for the working/middle classes?
betsuni
Apr 2025
#65
Does not violate forum rules if it's true. If it's true there's evidence and examples.
betsuni
May 2025
#72
We are told the oligarchs, billionaires, donors, corporations control the party. That included Biden as leader of the
betsuni
May 2025
#74
Yeah, Joe Manchin "was actually a Democrat", before he abandoned the party...
Jack Valentino
Apr 2025
#38
Yup. Running against a fictional demonized Democratic Party for its imaginary sins.
betsuni
Apr 2025
#47
As our last election clearly points to, money is not going to fix it. For me, Bernie and AOC are about democracy.
Magoo48
Apr 2025
#57
I do support getting out and bringing our case before the voters more. Sorry, but Bernie is not getting us more Dems.
Jit423
Apr 2025
#15
"We can campaign with Cheney but we can't work with progressive independents?"
FoxNewsSucks
Apr 2025
#21
The way Democratic voters have set out the last few election I think that those voters think
Autumn
Apr 2025
#28
They also treated Hillary like crap- both progressives and male media members.
kerry-is-my-prez
May 2025
#77
He's recruiting and training folks to run as Democrats or to RUN AGAINST DEMOCRATS as Independents.
lapucelle
Apr 2025
#52
Those are Democratic Party initiatives by NYS, some launched going back as far as 2014
lapucelle
Apr 2025
#63
NYS Democrats were asleep at the wheel when George Santos replaced a Democrat in the House. nt
PufPuf23
May 2025
#76
Did you work that race? I did. Actually, it was the press was asleep at the wheel.
lapucelle
May 2025
#81
How about some links to posts you made at DU during the elections that brought Santos to the House? nt
PufPuf23
May 2025
#83
Sorry. That doesn't work on me. There's an advanced search feature that you are welcome to use.
lapucelle
May 2025
#84
A stern letter read out loud. Democrats part of the "Them" in the populist "Us vs Them" status quo.
betsuni
Apr 2025
#55
The GQP has set out a bold new vision of how this country should function.
Clouds Passing
Apr 2025
#60
There are many places where the Democratic party cannot win. So let them run as Independents.
Intractable
May 2025
#79