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pinkstarburst

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67. But there's a difference. Trump was successful and won in 2016

Mon Jun 9, 2025, 11:44 AM

Jun 9

Harris was never able to gain any momentum when she ran in the primary in 2020. She wasn't doing well and dropped out. Her popularity rating never really improved while she was vice president. She stepped in and ran in 2024 because she was the only choice and I was behind her (I really do like Harris) but there's a huge difference between someone who has never been successful running on their own in the general, and someone who actually won before.

I believe we would be making a huge mistake to run that ticket again. Voters have already weighed in on that ticket and said they didn't want to vote for Harris. We can be disappointed that they didn't vote the way we wanted them to. That's fine. But if we want to win in 2028, we need to move on to someone else, not keep forcing the same choice down their throats and then acting surprised when we keep losing.

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Harris Walz 2028? [View all] SSJVegeta Jun 8 OP

How about Whitmer/Buttigieg benpollard Jun 8 #1

I like Harris a lot, but sadly I don't think a woman has a chance of winning Ocelot II Jun 8 #2

Women make up a majority of the country. SSJVegeta Jun 8 #6

Yes it was. Scrivener7 Jun 8 #11

A *lot* of women voted for Trump. A majority of White women voted for him. Ocelot II Jun 8 #14

Racism was a major issue in 2008 and 2012 too. But it didnt cost Obama the elections SSJVegeta Jun 8 #59

Many women, especially in the South, are not "comfortable voting for a woman for president" Iris Jun 8 #58

I think Biden did a lot of damage to the party AZProgressive Jun 8 #36

It's not that either Clinton or Harris were unpopular; they weren't unpopular with Democrats. Ocelot II Jun 8 #38

I think it would be more difficult to win a primary--same as Bernie Sanders AZProgressive Jun 8 #40

Myth that the majority of Americans are secretly populist progressives yearning for economic class revolution betsuni Jun 8 #49

"In October, O'Malley Dillon and Lorraine Voles, Harris's chief of staff, had gone to the White House betsuni Jun 8 #47

I might go for Walz at the top of the ticket RandomNumbers Jun 8 #3

I think one thing that could have helped Harris is if Biden would have assigned her karynnj Jun 8 #9

I would strongly consider that... Walz is WONDERFUL!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 8 #24

Sometimes i wonder... Beartracks Jun 8 #35

Like it or not, we will not win if a woman is atop the ticket. This backwards country will not elect a female president. LonePirate Jun 8 #4

Women make up a majority ofbthe country and a woman won the popular vote in 2016. SSJVegeta Jun 8 #7

Yes it was. Scrivener7 Jun 8 #13

Not even a little bit. SSJVegeta Jun 8 #15

You must be a man. Women *know* misogyny when we see it Ocelot II Jun 8 #16

Just because misogny exists, doesnt mean that a fascist was elected solely because of it. SSJVegeta Jun 8 #19

Clearly. Scrivener7 Jun 8 #20

And what do you say about all of the women who failed to vote for Harris, and/or voted for Trump SSJVegeta Jun 8 #21

No. Many didn't vote for her because she's a woman. Others didn't vote for her because she's black. Scrivener7 Jun 8 #22

If sexism was the reason, Clinton wouldnt have won the popular vote. If racsm was the reason, Obama would never SSJVegeta Jun 8 #27

Nope. Run a middle aged, white, protestant, straight man and we'll win. Without Scrivener7 Jun 8 #28

I guarantee Harris and Clinton would have lost if they were men. SSJVegeta Jun 8 #37

That's nice. But it's ridiculous to say you guarantee such a thing. Have a lovely evening. Scrivener7 Jun 8 #52

A losing message is a loser irregardless of the messenger. SSJVegeta Jun 8 #57

I agree... we need to stop the misogyny!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 8 #25

Yes thank you!! And mark my words: SSJVegeta Jun 8 #39

I could not agree with you MORE!! I believe the torch is starting to be passed to AOC & she IS the future of our party!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 8 #44

Absolutely SSJVegeta Jun 8 #46

Cheers to AOC!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 9 #60

Maybe deal with the existing problems before looking to the next election Bev54 Jun 8 #5

Precisely. Besides, B.See Jun 8 #48

I think... Mike Nelson Jun 8 #8

Me too!! As long as we stick to our progressive principles, we are going to kick some serious ass in 2028!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 8 #26

Agree that we need to focus on 2026--also who knows about 2028 indigovalley Jun 8 #10

Oh, hell no Polybius Jun 8 #12

Adlai Stevenson was a great man. But your point is heard and well received. SSJVegeta Jun 8 #42

It might be unprecedented but the combination of Harris/Walz, with sufficient time to campaign, would be a powerful one InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 8 #45

I'll decide which candidates are best for the job Torchlight Jun 8 #17

Hard pass. Ace Rothstein Jun 8 #18

I'm for whoever can win. We cannot afford to lose again. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 8 #23

If they came out of the primary as the ticket I'd vote for it. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 8 #29

This! Polybius Jun 8 #30

I will vote straight Dem no matter who the candidate is samnsara Jun 8 #31

I will vote for whom ever is on the ticket. My first choices are rarely if ever the nominees nt Javaman Jun 8 #32

Absolutely not. I like both these people, but we ran this ticket already pinkstarburst Jun 8 #33

the country resoundingly rejected TSF once--then "elected" him again cadoman Jun 9 #62

But there's a difference. Trump was successful and won in 2016 pinkstarburst Jun 9 #67

She wasn't my favorite in the primary. Ms. Toad Jun 8 #34

If they win the primary, certainly. GoCubsGo Jun 8 #41

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. tinrobot Jun 8 #43

tesler say what Nimble_Idea Jun 8 #50

If she wants to run, she should run. TheProle Jun 8 #51

The Republican meme would be 'a return to open borders'. everyonematters Jun 8 #53

That wouldn't be my first choice EdmondDantes_ Jun 8 #54

it's not a great poll--99% of us would support it if it were the ticket cadoman Jun 9 #61

No. The poll is asking if thats what we want. Not whether we would support it. SSJVegeta Jun 9 #63

the poll states "Harris Walz 2028?" cadoman Jun 9 #64

As the poll author, that was not my intention SSJVegeta Jun 9 #66

did not realize I was duking it out with the poll author cadoman Jun 9 #68

Not a problem at all! Next time I make a poll, I will definitely be more careful with the wording :) SSJVegeta Jun 9 #69

It all depends who else runs in the primary VMA131Marine Jun 8 #55

Are we sure there will BE a 2028 election? davsand Jun 8 #56

That assumes she can win a primary Renew Deal Jun 9 #65