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fujiyamasan

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145. The problem is the premise is flawed
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 04:44 PM
Nov 2025

There is no convincing evidence that Musk and Thiel “hacked” the election. The two are ass holes, but stealing several swing states (some of them with democratic governors and secretaries of state) is a very difficult task and would have required them having access to systems they wouldn’t have.

It’s also a red herring. The GOP has other (much simpler) ways of subverting democracy, like through mid decade gerrymandering and voter disenfranchisement (number of ballot boxes, mail in ballot access, etc)

Getting hung up on nonsense like “omg they stole an election because of the machines!” is a distraction and takes away from the real fight.

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My Spidey senses are acting up [View all] Aviation Pro Nov 2025 OP
No I think Americans got a wake up call Bluestocking Nov 2025 #1
Correct. The facts of 2025 trump the propaganda of 2024. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2025 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author off-the-clock Nov 2025 #126
Disagree. NoRethugFriends Nov 2025 #5
My theory is they don't fuck with the special elections and off-year elections, because yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #19
Or did Musk tell dumpie he wasn't going to help him anymore? KS Toronado Nov 2025 #40
Another possibility. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #42
Oh absolutely PatSeg Nov 2025 #50
We don't get to "rest easy" for awhile. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #63
Yes and once we are back in power, PatSeg Nov 2025 #75
Yes! yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #77
For sure! Chemical Bill Nov 2025 #64
Yes, the whole voter suppression PatSeg Nov 2025 #76
This is is why I feel like we have to start today, preparing people to vote Alice B. Nov 2025 #95
Why didn't they fix the Lake/Gallego race in AZ? BannonsLiver Nov 2025 #58
Because they had facts this time they didn't have last time. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2025 #84
Agreed. It was a real confluence of bad stuff Hekate Nov 2025 #3
I agree, just like there was in 2020 obamanut2012 Nov 2025 #4
And we know they tried. Chemical Bill Nov 2025 #65
Here's some data Richluu Nov 2025 #6
not really data, but a complicated theory... and if Musk had this magic control LymphocyteLover Nov 2025 #148
Honestly I'd point fingers at Texas and Florida for starters. Initech Nov 2025 #7
you'd have to be a damn fool to think NJCher Nov 2025 #8
"They lost because I wasn't on the ballot" tinrobot Nov 2025 #14
Yep Blue_Roses Nov 2025 #21
That is my assumption... returnee Nov 2025 #88
Vote tampering ms.pamela Nov 2025 #9
I'd like to see voting machines made illegal KS Toronado Nov 2025 #56
I agree. but... returnee Nov 2025 #89
That was always obvious. ananda Nov 2025 #10
Absolutely Chemical Bill Nov 2025 #11
But they just forgot to steal a single race this time? tritsofme Nov 2025 #12
It would be hard to cover up in elections of this nature IMHO. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2025 #15
Polls showed a close election in New Jersey, Virginia AG race too. Why not steal one? tritsofme Nov 2025 #17
Out of 50 states, how many had elections yesterday? rzemanfl Nov 2025 #25
33 states had elections yesterday. Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #32
Many. There were a lot of local elections. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #33
Why are you asking Democrats? Chemical Bill Nov 2025 #30
I'm just asking folks choosing to push ridiculous Trump-style conspiracy theories. tritsofme Nov 2025 #36
Yeah, Chemical Bill Nov 2025 #66
There were no national elections. hurple Nov 2025 #20
So they can steal the presidency but not a Virginia AG race? Pretty lousy supervillains. tritsofme Nov 2025 #22
I know, right? It's clear that it's not just MAGAs who are capable of convincing themselves Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #27
What's in it for the supervillains to have the AG of Virginia in their camp? rzemanfl Nov 2025 #29
The focus on Republicans being massively unpopular losers isn't exactly good for business. tritsofme Nov 2025 #35
A Republican AG n Virginia could effectively block a lot of progressive legislation which Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #49
I think you are giving this Republican AG magical powers. rzemanfl Nov 2025 #71
Yes. That is my theory. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #34
eLoon got what he wanted, no need to help this time ecstatic Nov 2025 #82
Not close enough tintinvotes Nov 2025 #85
Sounds like many have adopted Trump's axiom as their own, that elections are only legitimate when I win. tritsofme Nov 2025 #86
Not worth the risk of detection; plus maintain illusion of democracy. Possible. Nt lostnfound Nov 2025 #122
It's being discussed here, in a public forum. Why would detection be a concern in your conspiracy theory? tritsofme Nov 2025 #125
You misunderstood me and misrepresent my POV in last paragraph "as a vicious attack" lostnfound Nov 2025 #135
Don't you hate it when people put words in your mouth? yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #141
The judge's ruling in the Rockland County 2024 election fraud case is due before 11/11. in2herbs Nov 2025 #13
Mine too, for a different reason. The more it looks like the US is turning on the WH and GOP, the more wiggs Nov 2025 #16
Yes Blue_Roses Nov 2025 #18
Yep. It was stolen by the muskrat... MaeScott Nov 2025 #23
Then why didn't those same people "fuck around with the vote" this year? Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #24
How do you know they didn't? Chemical Bill Nov 2025 #31
OMG. I can't believe I'm reading such nonsense here. Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #44
It's just difficult for me to accept that folks can be that plain stupid. tritsofme Nov 2025 #55
I think it comes from people who can't wrap their heads around how much the country had soured on incumbents last year. BannonsLiver Nov 2025 #59
there is also a basic inability (unwillingness) for people to admit stopdiggin Nov 2025 #102
Proof of a declaration is immaterial? Chemical Bill Nov 2025 #62
Yes. Virtually any declaration issuing forth from THIS individual stopdiggin Nov 2025 #97
It is more difficult to pull off in the off-year and smaller elections, and special elections. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #41
No. Absolutely not. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2025 #26
Voting machines were compromised. Blue Full Moon Nov 2025 #48
I'm sorry, but I'm going with "our elections are honest." PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2025 #54
Have you read The Conyers Report? Chemical Bill Nov 2025 #67
I'm with you. A lot! yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #28
So elections are only rigged when Democrats lose? Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #46
I don't think Dems cheat. And, Trump ALWAYS cheats Joinfortmill Nov 2025 #106
Right. You could begin every sentence with Trump always cheats. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #142
Agree Blue Full Moon Nov 2025 #37
I'm persuaded by Greg Palast's work: markodochartaigh Nov 2025 #38
Or it could be that voters in these states got a wake up call over the last few months fujiyamasan Nov 2025 #39
I was thinking the same goddamned thing Blue Owl Nov 2025 #43
Is this being reported by the media? NoNameGranny Nov 2025 #45
People where just angry at Trump/ICE/Gop's bs SunImp Nov 2025 #47
It's worth pointing out again that 2024 election denialism is actually a vicious attack on Kamala Harris and the entire tritsofme Nov 2025 #51
Off year elections would serve as pacification for anyone thinking the general elections contain malware ffr Nov 2025 #52
No RandySF Nov 2025 #53
Harris won. End of story. Botany Nov 2025 #57
There definitely were massive voter suppression efforts, massive propaganda operations LymphocyteLover Nov 2025 #61
The vote flipping and deletions was done not at the precinct levels of which you are right would be unwork-... Botany Nov 2025 #70
you don't think anyone in the secretary of Dem state offices of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania LymphocyteLover Nov 2025 #74
Good questions, Botany Nov 2025 #91
couldn't that surge just be actual voters (since more Repubs tend to vote on election day)? LymphocyteLover Nov 2025 #132
A large surge of red voters from a large strongly blue voting population @ the last minute? Please. Botany Nov 2025 #134
All the obvious anecdotes match up to all the simple math. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #143
A simple bell shaped curve for statical analysis will easily show causality behind the election results. Botany Nov 2025 #150
There you go! Seems simple when you look at the mathematical models. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #152
please provide a specific example of that kind of red surge in a blue area LymphocyteLover Nov 2025 #147
You think someone from the sos office at the state level looks at every precinct result to see if it matches? questionseverything Nov 2025 #120
No, but wouldn't someone at the county level do that? Or are they in on the plot? LymphocyteLover Nov 2025 #131
I sorry. But it NEVER happened. stopdiggin Nov 2025 #98
I hear you... Chemical Bill Nov 2025 #69
Musk had the technology. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #79
this is repeated by a lot of people that have no idea what the 'technology' is stopdiggin Nov 2025 #103
. Chemical Bill Nov 2025 #112
are you offering this as some species of 'evidence'? stopdiggin Nov 2025 #119
Perhaps you stopped reading... Chemical Bill Nov 2025 #123
Yawn. It really isn't worth my good time. (while repeating, "this is evidence ..?" ) - -(nt)- stopdiggin Nov 2025 #124
Interesting. Chemical Bill Nov 2025 #140
Any election Democrats lose is rigged. iemanja Nov 2025 #60
Pretty tiring isn't it? fujiyamasan Nov 2025 #83
it's just plain sad. !!! - -(nt)- stopdiggin Nov 2025 #100
. Chemical Bill Nov 2025 #116
I dunno Cirsium Nov 2025 #68
Agree. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2025 #72
They will intensify efforts to disenfranchise... WestMichRad Nov 2025 #73
In '26, and '28 we need the brightest, wileyest White Hat Hackers keeping all eyes on the votes & totals, tabulaters etc electric_blue68 Nov 2025 #78
Yes. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #111
my theory AncientOfDays Nov 2025 #80
Exactly. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #113
DITTO!! BadGimp Nov 2025 #81
They've proved it already but have trouble selling it SupportSanity Nov 2025 #87
My gut's about the same Torchlight Nov 2025 #90
Based on what? themaguffin Nov 2025 #92
The economy is being wrecked, people feel it. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2025 #93
Why didn't fElon help this time? Clouds Passing Nov 2025 #94
I don't think so. It just took a year or two of Trump in full swing to get out the vote, and persuade even many Martin68 Nov 2025 #96
I'm sorry - but it NEVER happened. And your twitchy 'senses' are leading you astray. stopdiggin Nov 2025 #99
I thought so too. I felt that way after Pennsylvania and Michigan went to Trump. It doesn't make sense. OLDMDDEM Nov 2025 #101
Like in 2024 obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2025 #104
Yup. Joinfortmill Nov 2025 #105
Same thing happened 8 years ago krawhitham Nov 2025 #107
And then they forget how bad he is? n/t Chemical Bill Nov 2025 #130
Eforensic analysis says something aint right angryxyouth Nov 2025 #108
So since this is all so clearly documented and proven, you must be accusing Kamala of knowing tritsofme Nov 2025 #117
Yes I am angryxyouth Nov 2025 #136
At least you're honest, this contempt and hatred for Harris and Democrats appears widespread among election deniers tritsofme Nov 2025 #137
Sometimes the truth hurts angryxyouth Nov 2025 #153
Yes. "They" use Russian-type psy-ops to convince people not to question elections, yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #144
Don't worry. Most of us realize that this is in NO way an attack on Dems. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #121
It is absolutely a vicious attack on Democrats. You must believe truly terrible things about Kamala Harris and Democrats tritsofme Nov 2025 #133
The problem is the premise is flawed fujiyamasan Nov 2025 #145
Interestingly... Chemical Bill Nov 2025 #146
That's one way to look at it, and I believe it to be true jmowreader Nov 2025 #109
Right. The analysis is easy. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #114
Wonder why trump and Elon didn't hack Tuesday's election? Silent Type Nov 2025 #110
Not worth it jmowreader Nov 2025 #115
Didn't happen in 2024 either. We lost. Was hoping Conspiracy Theories would stop, but nope. Silent Type Nov 2025 #118
Exactly. Analysis needs to be applied to the circumstances at the moment. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #138
I absolutely think that 2024 was stolen Metaphorical Nov 2025 #127
So simple and so obvious. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #139
Republicans are saying the same thing about Tuesday Polybius Nov 2025 #128
you'd be surprised just how much sexism / racism played into it Skittles Nov 2025 #129
Does that same logic apply to the 2010 elections? EdmondDantes_ Nov 2025 #149
Alot! Clouds Passing Nov 2025 #151
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