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Envirogal

(282 posts)
6. Then why even have the shutdown?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 04:28 AM
Nov 10

The amount of economic loss and costs is enormous. The national parks have been vandalized. The federal workers, especially the air traffic controllers, have suffered severe stress and hardship, and all of the other hassles this shutdown caused. The question is WHY even do it if you knew you had little leverage and limited stomach for the fight? We know that Republicans are ruthless and will gladly cut the baby in half in this game of chicken.

Dems are the governing party but that isn’t gotten us very far on the scale of effective messaging. Pretty thankless result. We are weak and any GOP game theory will predict we wouldn’t have the stomach for playing hardball, even after an election winning cycle Tuesday. We cave. So again, the question is why even try? It almost looks worse when you got NOTHING for the effort and distracts the attention from Trump’s cruel fleecing of the poor and middle class?

And Schumer is not going to get out of this easily despite him stacking the deck with senators voting that have no election coming up and allowing him to be vocal saying he’s a “no vote”. He’s not fooling anyone that this was a stacked deck that he supprted to get them out of this mess. Maybe we shouldn’t be calling for all the heads of the Democrats, but we certainly should be calling for Chuck Schumer’s. He’s been an ineffective leader and has well worn through his shelf. This is not the time for statesman and old school 74 year-old diplomacy that is from a long bygone era. We need strategic thinking and fighters, not strongly worded letters.

Give us his head and maybe that will allow for Democrats voters to move forward. But it is hard if nobody pays for this shutdown fail.

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5 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

The circle cannot be squared -- if this vote to end the shutdown is right then RockRaven Nov 10 #1
I disagree. pat_k Nov 10 #4
Alternatively one can look at the situation as having tried something that didn't work EdmondDantes_ Nov 10 #25
100% !! WELL SAID ! (and it really NEEDED to be said !) stopdiggin Nov 10 #2
Very well said, bigtree. Sogo Nov 10 #3
K&R nt PunkinPi Nov 10 #5
Then why even have the shutdown? Envirogal Nov 10 #6
Not fighting helps us win nothing orangecrush Nov 10 #7
The problem is that Democrats don't demonstrate Baitball Blogger Nov 10 #8
My feelings, exactly Pototan Nov 10 #9
Completely disagree angrychair Nov 10 #10
What did we get for our 40 days? Billsdaughter Nov 10 #11
How long will Trump spike the football in our face? dem4decades Nov 10 #26
It was a REPUBLICAN SHUTDOWN. The only Emile Nov 10 #12
. Scrivener7 Nov 10 #13
Thanks to centrists they couldn't pass a public option, now Emile Nov 10 #14
You've got it all wrong Orrex Nov 10 #16
Patience, grasshopper. All is going exactly as it should go. This isn't a Law & Order episode. And what are YOU Scrivener7 Nov 10 #17
+1 demmiblue Nov 10 #18
+1 leftstreet Nov 10 #23
Well, that's certainly one way to spin it. Orrex Nov 10 #15
K&R mcar Nov 10 #19
Say It Loud! MineralMan Nov 10 #20
K&R betsuni Nov 10 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 10 #22
But Schumer himself welcomes GOPers leftstreet Nov 10 #24
Tell that to the crazy 8. nt yaesu Nov 10 #27
Who needs a majority when you rule like a monarchy C_U_L8R Nov 10 #28
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