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Jedi Guy

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67. That kind of proves my point, to an extent.

Sun Dec 21, 2025, 01:50 PM

Dec 21

You had hope for something better. I would wager that those loans for your education weren't so extensive as to be financially crippling for years thereafter. Now any career in engineering is almost certainly going to require a four year degree, so night classes may not be available. Even if they are available, the loans required to attend may be ruinous.

That doesn't even touch on the existential dread aspect of out of control climate change or the anxiety of knowing that some lunatic might turn your workplace, your school, or the mall into a shooting gallery.

I'm not saying that previous generations didn't have their own struggles and sorrows. Of course they did. I'm saying that previous generations had the hope of things getting better. Gen Z is the first generation in American history that's poised to be less well off than their parents were.

The lack of hope for Generation Z is what's behind their lack of concern for SS. They're not just being greedy little shits. They've lost hope so might as well eat, drink, and be merry now because the future isn't looking all that bright from where they're standing.

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Gen Z would rather cut Social Security benefits for current retirees than pay higher taxes to save the program [View all] MichMan Dec 20 OP

Well, there go their inheritances . . . . . . no_hypocrisy Dec 20 #1

What inheritances? Seeking Serenity Dec 26 #96

Lift the salary cap pfitz59 Dec 20 #2

THIS. And snot Dec 20 #35

"The Cato Institute"... Chemical Bill Dec 21 #71

reagan doubled fica taxes "in order to fund the retirement of the bab y boomers." rampartd Dec 22 #79

And totally on brand for bloody Cato jfz9580m Dec 27 #97

A Small Modification Would Be Required For... ProfessorGAC Dec 20 #42

ABSOLUTELY the correct answer!!!!!! Jack Valentino Dec 20 #45

Most of the truly rich don't receive income subject RubyRose Dec 21 #66

Probably not forever...... beaglelover Dec 21 #63

Get ready dweller Dec 20 #3

They may already be co-housed. If not now then soon. littlemissmartypants Dec 20 #33

I guess they want Granny and Gramps living with them. The Madcap Dec 20 #4

I'm not sure I trust anything produced by the Cato Institute, thucythucy Dec 20 #5

I would be interested in seeing one from another source if you have one MichMan Dec 20 #6

I don't have one, thucythucy Dec 20 #13

In the absence of any other poll stating otherwise, I took it at face value and thought others might find it interesting MichMan Dec 20 #16

So you wouldn't dismiss a poll from Fox that showed Trump at 99 percent approval? BannonsLiver Dec 20 #23

The source of any poll is of existential relevance, MM. It's a valid point. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Dec 20 #36

The source of the poll was noted in the very first sentence MichMan Dec 20 #37

Even the grumps among us sometimes long for human interaction. 😉❤️ littlemissmartypants Dec 21 #46

Show me another poll with similar results thucythucy Dec 23 #81

Show me another poll with different results then. MichMan Dec 23 #85

Not my responsibility. thucythucy Dec 26 #93

It also isn't my responsibility to look for other polls until I find one that you agree with. MichMan Dec 26 #95

The Cato Institute definitely has a libertarian agenda DFW Dec 21 #55

All that is necessary is to look at the framing of the question. markodochartaigh Dec 20 #21

I doubt."Make millionaires pay a small percentage more" was a choice. Probably only, YOU pay more or They get less. dem4decades Dec 21 #51

Cato is right-wing, and how you ask questions can definitely influence answers, leading to the result you want. Lonestarblue Dec 21 #52

That should not surprise anyone. Silent Type Dec 20 #7

That should be a talk at the Christmas dinner table, Historic NY Dec 20 #8

Or, bring up how many states have markodochartaigh Dec 20 #22

What a bunch of whiney little entitled pricks, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 20 #9

And created the life that they are now waving in our faces and trying to say that we are the issue. OldBaldy1701E Dec 21 #48

100% oasis Dec 24 #92

The Cato Institute? the hell you say WhiskeyGrinder Dec 20 #10

Very shortsighted SheltieLover Dec 20 #11

Nailed it! Norrrm Dec 21 #53

And likely brainwaahed by repuke lies SheltieLover Dec 21 #57

We need to push constitutional admendants IbogaProject Dec 20 #12

Welp..when I first started working, I know I used to gripe about SS, Medicare taxes I'd see on my pay stub Deuxcents Dec 20 #14

Good suggestion, and we need that good communication pretty soon too GoodRaisin Dec 22 #75

So this Libertarian BS is now coming out yet again...........guess who founded this fucking "think tank"....... turbinetree Dec 20 #15

one suspects the younger crowd, fresh from sponging off parents, typically opposes helping seniors financially msongs Dec 20 #17

Cato Institute? LOL. markodochartaigh Dec 20 #18

I got an idea.Why don't we make the billionaire's pay more in taxes Tribetime Dec 20 #19

Shooting old people is still illegal. Turbineguy Dec 20 #20

They'll be sorry. They won't be young forever. Vinca Dec 20 #24

Cato? Seriously? sakabatou Dec 20 #25

Hey, who snowybirdie Dec 20 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author wcmagumba Dec 20 #27

Intergenerational conflict was built in. Die Broke, that will teach them. /nt bucolic_frolic Dec 20 #28

When young adults do not know important facts about their lives, more people than RockRaven Dec 20 #29

Okay. We'll just move in. viva la Dec 20 #30

They may not be known as the particularly smart generation C_U_L8R Dec 20 #31

The solution? OAITW r.2.0 Dec 20 #32

CUT THE CRAP... RAISE THE CAP FalloutShelter Dec 21 #54

I'd take that report with a huge grain of salt jmbar2 Dec 20 #34

In what way is this story Boomer bashing? Mariana Dec 20 #39

The first clue would be that it's from CATO jmbar2 Dec 20 #44

The poll was targeted towards Gen Z, not Gen X and Millennial MichMan Dec 21 #62

GenZs are truly suffering in this economy jmbar2 Dec 21 #65

;-{) Z Goonch Dec 20 #38

Me Too 60 years ago. Fichefinder Dec 20 #40

Why wouldnt they vote in their best interest? Boomers have done it for decades as well Slider19 Dec 20 #41

Gen Z pays taxes? Nictuku Dec 20 #43

I think people might be missing the point here. Jedi Guy Dec 21 #47

With the exception of the school shootings... OldBaldy1701E Dec 21 #49

Really? That's odd because I didn't. Jedi Guy Dec 21 #56

Everyone's circumstances are different MichMan Dec 21 #64

That kind of proves my point, to an extent. Jedi Guy Dec 21 #67

" There just isn't, and trying to say otherwise is, at best, wildly disingenuous." OldBaldy1701E Dec 21 #69

Same time period here fujiyamasan Dec 23 #86

This article seems to have one purpose Samael13 Dec 21 #50

Judging by the this thread up to this point MustLoveBeagles Dec 26 #94

CATO biases this in the ways they define raising more revenue karynnj Dec 21 #58

If that be the case, my adult children will NOT be getting any money. ProudMNDemocrat Dec 21 #59

Many Rebl2 Dec 21 #60

I've found that tax increases tend to be much more popular with people as long as it is someone else paying them. MichMan Dec 21 #61

And wars tend to be more popular among prople who don't have to fight them. thucythucy Dec 23 #83

The OP was specifically about tax increases and not wars, but OK. MichMan Dec 23 #87

Tax automation, including AI gulliver Dec 21 #68

Yes, eventually something like this may be needed fujiyamasan Dec 23 #88

Increasing taxes on the ultra wealthy maybe one route. gulliver Dec 23 #89

Sorry, yes I view that as extremely naive with that set of billionaires fujiyamasan Dec 24 #90

People are missing the point pinkstarburst Dec 21 #70

Many, maybe most older people don't care about any of that. Mariana Dec 24 #91

Gen Z is not wrong really. EllieBC Dec 21 #72

They wouldn't have to pay more if we just eliminated the cap. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 21 #73

So how many middle schoolers did they interview for this poll? RazorbackExpat Dec 21 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Dec 22 #76

Don't talk to me about Gen Z RandySF Dec 22 #77

I wouldn't have a problem if I could just get back all the money I paid into the system in SS taxes. Intractable Dec 22 #78

Was the question fairly asked? quaker bill Dec 22 #80

Naturally. QueerDuck Dec 23 #82

Cato. Enough said. Iris Dec 23 #84