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TygrBright

(21,340 posts)
13. I have heard white people express bafflement and offense that Native peoples want the Four False Faces removed...
Fri Dec 26, 2025, 11:55 AM
Dec 26

...from ground they consider holy, "especially Lincoln who was such a great Emancipator."

Let us review the Four False Faces:

George Washington: Speculated heavily in Native lands, allied with some Native nations and groups, and practiced brutal retaliation against other Native nations and groups - not just those allied with the British, but any not specifically allied with his military. After the Revolution, as President, he sold Native lands to generate cash to clear the military debts - payments owed to soldiers and financiers. Above all, he supported cultural genocide under the guise of "assimilation" and "assistance' to Natives under treaty - encouraging them to depend on cash annuity payments by treaty, learn to farm the shitty lands allocated to them, and abandon their "barbaric practices" by welcoming missionaries and white culture. While he never formally abrogated any treaties, he allowed them to be broken and effectively become dead letters, whenever political convenience dictated.

Lincoln: See above. Also broke treaties, confiscated Native lands, supported Indian Removal as government policy, and denied redress for U.S. Army atrocities practiced on Native peoples.

Jefferson: Grand architect of many of the cultural genocide practices and policies the U.S. and State governments used to "civilize" the "savages", promoter of Manifest Destiny, and backer of the Lewis and Clark expedition to survey lands for white settler expansion and laid the groundwork for the largest and longest invasion and appropriation of Native lands in American history.

T. Roosevelt: Regarded Native peoples as "inferior" races and referred to the lands stolen by white settlers as having been "the hunting ground of squalid savages". He believed "the most vicious cowboy has more moral principle than the average Indian" and vigorously pursued policies of Native removal and appropriating Native sacred sites to integrate into national parks, monuments, and forests.

To leave the Four False Faces intact is an ongoing insult to Native culture, history and sovereignty. It is as though a monument was placed in the Vatican to honor Nero, Decius, Domitian and Diocletian.

American history is not a two-dimensional tale on a single heroic story arc. It is a living complexity that should be studied, contemplated, learned from, and honored not as a victory but as an ongoing struggle to make our future better than our past.

sadly,
Bright

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9 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Never forget malaise Dec 26 #1
Omg that poem! LearnedHand Dec 26 #2
The Dakota 38 Clouds Passing Dec 26 #3
Slaves still had value. They were still workers. The people never saw the Native Americans as any thing but LiberalArkie Dec 26 #4
not sure why you would "ironically" use the tone of a racist bigot to say a bunch of slurs but here we are WhiskeyGrinder Dec 26 #6
He edited the remarks wolfie001 Dec 26 #8
What's "Red***ns?" Polybius Dec 26 #12
*** equals "ski" rubbersole Dec 26 #14
Ahh Polybius Dec 26 #15
Egads no idea wolfie001 Dec 26 #22
then why not spell it all the way out WhiskeyGrinder Dec 26 #18
Because they describe what they heard instead being sugar coated. I remember when the LBGT's were being slured as"QUEER" LiberalArkie Dec 26 #19
The OP describes what happened, without sugar coating. And then you added a bunch of slurs -- slurs that are, one could WhiskeyGrinder Dec 26 #21
trail of tear? AllaN01Bear Dec 26 #5
That's another one but that was Andrew Jackson... SonOfNebanaube Dec 27 #26
Lincoln was president. So he was no saint wolfie001 Dec 26 #7
Lincoln DID intervene to an extent. Originally 307 Dakotas were sentenced to death, Jack Valentino Dec 27 #25
Thanks for that wolfie001 Dec 27 #27
Understood, but I had read about this incident in civil war history,. Jack Valentino Dec 28 #38
Thank you for this grim reminder. niyad Dec 26 #9
American history.. mountain grammy Dec 26 #10
Never forget that Lincoln was far from perfect Polybius Dec 26 #11
I have heard white people express bafflement and offense that Native peoples want the Four False Faces removed... TygrBright Dec 26 #13
Well said Bayard Dec 27 #35
Never heard this in any "history" class or otherwise. We have always been a very racist country. And now getting worse Evolve Dammit Dec 26 #16
Made a donation to NARF after reading this. SergeStorms Dec 26 #17
... Solly Mack Dec 26 #20
afternoon kick WhiskeyGrinder Dec 26 #23
Lincoln did not order the executions Progressive dog Dec 26 #24
Lincoln reviewed every one of these cases, and ordered the executions that were carried out. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 27 #28
I guess Old Abe made a lot more enemies than we learned about in school? kentuck Dec 27 #29
I don't know what you mean about Lincoln's enemies. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 27 #31
We do a very Catholic trinitarian view of our great Presidents mr715 Dec 27 #32
A journey of ceremony and prayer honors Dakota women who witnessed 1862 executions WhiskeyGrinder Dec 27 #30
Wikipedia's take on Lincoln and the executions: Lincoln executed those who were involved in killing or raping settlers andym Dec 27 #33
Yes, colonial state violence invariably results in a violent response, bringing more state violence. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 27 #34
Excellent historical book on the subject Bayard Dec 27 #36
Everything is bigger in Texas... GJGCA Dec 27 #37
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