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Igel

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18. Or whatever he couldn't remember because of "sleep apnea" recurred.
Sat Dec 27, 2025, 10:52 AM
Dec 27

Whatever not remembering because he kept waking up because of breathing difficulties has to do with it.

You know, if you're contemplating suicide or at least have it as an open question and aren't quietly trying to find a way out, the last thing you do is tell a psychologist when you're in jail, "You know, doc, I'm thinking of suicide. Even tried it once." Because the next thing you know, not only are you subject to unlimited counseling but you're also deprived of anything that might actually let you do what you've kept open as a possibility.

In other words it's largely a meaningless answer--you'd expect the same reaction if the claim were true or if the claim were false. "Are you thinking of suicide" will, from anybody seriously pondering the act, get the response, "No!"

And that's not considering that Epstein was an unreliable narrator of his own story.

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So according to Eps, his faith found it OK to rape and molest girls? fierywoman Dec 26 #1
Humans are complected... no surprise here NotHardly Dec 26 #2
Sure, but it's hard to claim his faith is so deep and true that he'd never commit suicide EdmondDantes_ Dec 26 #7
The "sin" of suicide can affect marriage-abilty of Ilsa Dec 26 #12
Yeah... I'm not buying this. yardwork Dec 27 #16
Where did that psych observer go to school? soldierant Dec 26 #3
that was just ONE observation (and more likely just a 'statement' taken down as attributed .. ) stopdiggin Dec 26 #9
He didn't kill himself blue blues Dec 26 #4
we know the answer to your question RainCaster Dec 26 #5
Yup. Not surprised. My money is on murder. Joinfortmill Dec 26 #6
I don't think liking or disliking pain is the driving force behind suicide, or the limiting factor. ToxMarz Dec 26 #8
you're correct. and also not the entirety (or even close to it) of this 'assessment' stopdiggin Dec 26 #10
I wouldn't even remotely consider any "faith" based reasoning to figure out whether he killed himself or not Takket Dec 26 #11
A few people I knew who attempted suicide did it because they couldn't handle the pain anymore Kaleva Dec 27 #13
My Dad came very close to committing suicide. Jedi Guy Dec 27 #14
I've always thought he was knocked off. The missing few minutes of security video is too convenient. Vinca Dec 27 #15
Or whatever he couldn't remember because of "sleep apnea" recurred. Igel Dec 27 #18
His brother swears he was murdered. Trump Emile Dec 27 #17
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