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AloeVera

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25. I think you missed some nuances there, while misinterpreting what I said.
Fri Jan 2, 2026, 12:08 AM
Jan 2

You also misspelled "Accountability" in your last sentence.

It's not easy or comfortable to come out straight to the point about Democrats' accountability re Gaza. I like being on this site. But apparently being nuanced and giving the tiniest hint of accountability leaves one open to misinterpretation or misrepresentation. So what the hell, here it goes.

The Biden Administration, like any administration, is responsible for its policy decisions - you would agree, right? Well, it badly miscalculated on Gaza by backing Netanyahu unconditionally even after only a fool would not see what his real goals were and after tens of thousands of civilian murders. Regardless of whether you supported Israel in its assault on Gaza or not, you have to acknowledge that the party's base did not agree with Biden's foreign policy on Gaza. Poll after poll made that clear. But the base was ignored.

As a result, It was the PARTY BASE, not the protesters, not the "loud" ones, not the Abandon Harris movement but the party rank and file that caused Harris to lose. In a sense, it was the base that "abandoned" Harris. Seven million of Joe Biden voters did not show up for Harris. At least one poll found the cause to be Gaza. Not misogyny or racism - especially not since most lost voters were minorities, women and youth for God's sake!

If as it is said Republicans will crawl over broken glass to get to the voting booth, Democrats would do the same I'm sure. But Democrats' motivation is FOR something that makes the world a bit better and stands on principle while Repukes' motivation is AGAINST the "other", against progress and change and entirely transactional, principles be damned.

So why could they not vote for Harris in 2024? It should be pretty clear. Perhaps think of it as these voters were simply unwilling or unable to step over the bodies of so many dead children on the way to the voting booth to vote for a party that did not live up to its own standards and avowed convictions or principles. Loss of faith is the worst kind of loss at election time. In that kind of funk, disillusionment and low morale, it's hard for people to see the bigger picture.

Israel's defenders and those who want to blame Palestinians' supporters for Harris' loss simply have no idea or don't want to understand how deeply the Gaza genocide (it is what it is) has affected ordinary Democrats in the first two years after October 7th. But that should have been known and understood by party leadership and that's where the failure occurred.

I'm tired of dancing around the accountability issue and I'm also tired of having even the tiniest, most polite and diplomatic way of calling for accountability being railroaded into another exercise in blaming the pro-Palestinian movement instead. Put the "blame" as you call it where it belongs, not on the shoulders of those who opposed what they saw as a genocide.

And to clear up your misinterpretation of what I said: I did not say that Harris would do no better for Gaza than Trump, I said her options were already limited and Gaza's fate was already baked in by the time of the election. You want to think about why her options were limited. It's what the non-voters would have been thinking about and why they made the decision they did.

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Moving people out of Gaza? [View all] applegrove Dec 29 OP
How long will the people of America tolerate this? I guess unless it directly affects them forever. walkingman Dec 29 #1
Trump earlier said housing would be built for the displaced Gazans... But, who will build it? Norrrm Dec 29 #2
Weren't there a lot of users on this site backing Netanyahu's actions? AStern Dec 29 #3
Don't confuse being anti-Hamas and anti-anti-Biden rhetoric RandomNumbers Dec 29 #6
If you support the ACTIONS of someone, you support that person, no? AloeVera Dec 30 #8
Irrelevant to my post; AND: Harris WOULD NOT have been worse on Gaza, and RandomNumbers Jan 1 #9
I think you missed some nuances there, while misinterpreting what I said. AloeVera Jan 2 #25
Recommended. H2O Man Jan 1 #10
Just a quick question: Mossfern Jan 1 #14
That would be H2O Man Jan 1 #15
I honestly don't think it necessary to get into it again Mossfern Jan 1 #16
Yes, I know H2O Man Jan 1 #17
Well then ... Mossfern Jan 1 #19
I agree. H2O Man Jan 1 #20
Too simple - or incomplete- an explanation that lets the broader society off the hook. AloeVera Jan 1 #23
I thought Mossfern Jan 2 #27
I don't accept the premise of your question. AloeVera Jan 2 #28
Thanks Mossfern Jan 2 #29
If you don't get it, I don't know what else to say to you. AloeVera Jan 2 #30
Nowhere have I ever implied Mossfern Jan 2 #35
What room do we have to lecture? The Revolution Jan 1 #12
Please. H2O Man Jan 1 #13
Thank you H2O Man. AloeVera Jan 1 #22
"We" didn't commit Tokyo or Dresden etc. Our governments did, and they were wrong then as now. AloeVera Jan 1 #24
They tend to disappear Bettie Jan 1 #21
Of course he's gonna help them relocate..he's biting at the bit to get those resorts going up Deuxcents Dec 29 #4
Ummm, isn't that one of the reasons there are issues in the area to begin with? haele Dec 29 #5
Many Gazans have already been re-located TO Gaza...nt Wounded Bear Jan 1 #11
Exactly the point. haele Jan 1 #18
FIL Trump and God Father Netanyahu Blue Full Moon Dec 29 #7
Kickin' the can. Good post. Dave Bowman Jan 2 #26
"...the opportunity to live in a better climate..." LudwigPastorius Jan 2 #31
I like your style! AloeVera Jan 2 #32
I'd be worried about the people of Somaliland more than the Gazans gulliver Jan 2 #33
"Sequestered". AloeVera Jan 2 #34
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