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eppur_se_muova

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24. When I first read the ingredients, I couldn't see how it was supposed to work. Then I saw "granular aluminum". :(
Fri Jan 16, 2026, 10:05 PM
Jan 16

Granular aluminum is a very active reducing agent, especially when hot -- this is what drives the Thermite reaction.

Many chlorinated and fluorinated/chlorinated organic compounds come with warnings not to let them contact aluminum. This is because aluminum can react with these compounds to generate aluminum chloride (AlCl3) -- a powerfully reactive Lewis acid -- and a (at least partially) dechlorinated organic compound. In the case of hexachlorethane (HC) one would expect the first product of reduction to be tetrachloroethylene (TCE), a toxic, carcinogenic liquid which is reportedly able to react violently with aluminum. The reduction product of that *might* be, but probably isn't dichloroacetylene, a gas with reacts explosively with oxygen; it's more likely that in the presence of atmospheric moisture it is reduced to trichloroethylene (unfortunately, also "TCE" ), a toxic, carcinogenic liquid made infamous by the high incidence of leukemia in the vicinity of chemical plants in Woburn, MA, publicized by the book and movie "A Civil Action". None of the compounds listed so far should be ingested by anyone.

So what's all the emphasis on zinc chloride ? Zinc Oxide (ZnO), a slightly basic oxide, is capable of reacting with the more acidic AlCl3 to form ZnCl2, a weaker (but still irritant*) Lewis acid, and Al2O3, which causes Shaver's Disease when inhaled. Calling this mixture a "toxic brew" isn't hysteria or overreaction, it's a pretty straightforward literal description. Supposedly, these "smoke grenades" were declared obsolete years ago. It should be illegal to keep them around anymore.




*If you've ever done soldering with an "acid flux", you've probably inhaled a little ZnCl2 and the HCl fumes that accompany it. Not particularly pleasant, but maybe one of the *less* harmful chemicals in this "green smoke".

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The dangers of hexachloroethane Coldwater Jan 16 #1
Hexachlorethane uses from Wikipedia erronis Jan 16 #11
Sounds like domestic terrorists to me. Anyone looking at class action lawsuits and restraining orders? dutch777 Jan 16 #2
Worst part is whose to blame? How to blame? bluestarone Jan 16 #3
Congress needs to act Coldwater Jan 16 #5
Jesus wept jaymac Jan 16 #4
Rush Limbaugh's legacy reads: Coldwater Jan 16 #6
I read that the DR was a place to go for children. Chemical Bill Jan 16 #16
"Chloro-" chlorine. And they're OK with using it on American citizens. Nazis. Timeflyer Jan 16 #7
ZnCl2 is not quite as toxic as chlorine gas... Chemical Bill Jan 16 #17
Yes, stage left Jan 16 #19
Kick and recommend. bronxiteforever Jan 16 #8
Where are all of the outraged Republicans that once agreed that [checks notes]... Ol Janx Spirit Jan 16 #9
ICE-goons are using gas for "riot control" but there's no riot FakeNoose Jan 16 #21
Two things... Moostache Jan 16 #10
2026 World Cup unlikely to happen. haele Jan 16 #12
The problem with the World Cup is that it attracts foreign athletes, coaches, fans and families FakeNoose Jan 16 #22
Probably Trump didn't think that one through MadameButterfly Jan 17 #27
A point of interest RetiredParatrooper Jan 16 #13
NBC Warfare BidenRocks Jan 16 #14
Time for Tulsi Gabbard to come out and say the government would never gas their own people. (n/t) thesquanderer Jan 16 #15
Thanks to Pedo Prez the flaming POS wolfie001 Jan 16 #18
Thanks Coldwater stage left Jan 16 #20
Chemical warfare today, against AMERICANS, tomorrow, B.See Jan 16 #23
When I first read the ingredients, I couldn't see how it was supposed to work. Then I saw "granular aluminum". :( eppur_se_muova Jan 16 #24
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This needs to be known and seen. Thanks for sharing. yellow dahlia Jan 16 #26
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That's fine. OldBaldy1701E Jan 17 #29
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