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73. here's something to chew on
Wed Mar 11, 2026, 10:49 AM
11 hrs ago

...those two Democratic 'leaders' aren't executives.

They're not even put into those leadership positions by voters, as this screed against them suggests. They are voted into the leadership by the elected Democrats to represent and organize THEIR priorities, and are challenged to perform that duty by organizing a diverse and disparate collection of interests from around the nation who chose the Democratic party as a legislative vehicle.

The leaders are legislative managers who organize the Democrats who they have available to them around legislation which a majority of them will agree to support.

They don't have the power and authority of presidents to make things happen by fiat, or on their own initiative, so it's substantially inaccurate to portray them as the leaders of the party, as some are wont to do. They are individual Senators or Representatives with two votes between them that they actually control.

We don't vote them in as leader, and the people who sent them to Congress didn't necessarily vote for them to lead Democrats around the nation, as much as they voted for their own interests where they live (pointing to the destructive calls for them to resign their seats entirely from some). They're very likely, and look to be, representing the voters who sent them there with solid individual progressive votes for nearly every Democratic initiative or interest.

We have to ask, before we delegate all of these expectations of leadership of the party, in which no voter outside of the Democratic membership in Congress actually cast a ballot directly to elect any Democratic leader, why they persist in those roles?

It's obviously because they represent the collective will of their respective memberships, almost without fail, in each and every utterance of support for each and every initiative that comes out of the Democratic caucus.

That's how the leadership is structured, and that's how it operates. They are there because they represent the collective will of our elected majority in Congress to a fault; I'd even go so far as to say they've proven individually MORE progressive in their voting than the majority in some notable instances, than what's sometimes emerged as consensus among Dems.

People put them out there, cast them as something they're just not; don't have the individual power to effectively make all of these aspirations people have for them come true; especially in a minority.

I'd remind everyone that Schumer, for instance, presided over and fought behind the scenes for EVERY plank of the historic legislative accomplishments of the Biden term that emerged from committee and was successfully voted on when we held the last (slim) majority.

They are a direct reflection of the membership who voted for them to lead THEM. Nothing more, despite all of the performative expectations outside of those very vital and important legislative duties,

Almost every Senator, and every Rep thinks they could be president. That's what these two manage every day, so it's really something for anyone to expect they would, or should, be acting like they have the liberty to go beyond the expectations of the people who put them in those roles.

Thing is, they have a very firm grasp of the reality of the numbers of votes they have to work with to do more than the performative expectations some seem to think is their primary function.

But, it's always interesting to me how strident and insistent the demands are from folks who don't seem to be accounting for or taking any responsibility for giving these leaders sufficient numbers of Democrats to actually set the agenda and advance legislative solutions in the majority.

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Preach Coach Traildogbob Yesterday #1
Fuck the high road and fuck the norms. Stop turning the other cheek. dalton99a Yesterday #2
Carrot and stick WSHazel Yesterday #4
We need leaders who will "get the lead out"... BattleRow Yesterday #17
Yes RetiredParatrooper Yesterday #51
I agree with him MustLoveBeagles Yesterday #3
Just think, he could be vice president now LiberalBrooke Yesterday #5
FYI: He made it clear he didn't have any presidential aspirations ... Auggie Yesterday #33
What does he mean by "breaking the norms"? An eviction freeze would go a long way toward walking the talk in MN rn. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #6
He was referring to Trump destroying things leftstreet Yesterday #8
I'd find it helpful if he had some examples of how he's doing that in MN WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #9
True enough n/t leftstreet Yesterday #10
He's talking about Dems doing more of what Republicans do. hamsterjill Yesterday #12
okay but like he could be doing this himself, yes? In Minnesota? Because I remember a lot of strongly worded statements WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #14
Yes, he most assuredly could be doing this - setting an example. hamsterjill Yesterday #37
I think Dems would have a great platform if dickthegrouch Yesterday #28
I think voters generally want and expect integrity from Democrats, but we've got to get control back first. hamsterjill Yesterday #41
Yep. The one option that's LEAST desirable calimary 19 hrs ago #58
I wish Mr. Jeffries and Mr. Schumer would take these words to heart Mysterian Yesterday #7
The most corrupt president in US history Grim Chieftain Yesterday #11
Hear! Hear! yellow dahlia Yesterday #56
here's something to chew on bigtree 11 hrs ago #73
Exactly! Betty Boom Yesterday #13
And that disapproval doesn't translate to Bettie 12 hrs ago #68
You betcha. (n/t) DJ Synikus Makisimus Yesterday #15
Yup. We coulda had him. And, Trump cheated. Just saying, peeps. Joinfortmill Yesterday #16
We dems have been engaged in a war popsdenver Yesterday #18
+1. Heck, we had people on here who were severely criticized for calling Trump a traitor/racist/dictator/Nazi/rapist dalton99a Yesterday #21
+1 leftstreet Yesterday #52
Just think! Linda ladeewolf Yesterday #19
Exactly fuck'em makes them sue, cry and whine themselve into a tither Historic NY Yesterday #20
I like Tim, but DownriverDem Yesterday #22
He isn't either, what he is sick of is Bettie 12 hrs ago #67
100% Snackshack Yesterday #23
+1. "We must move on. It's all good. Nothing happened." dalton99a Yesterday #29
Exactly jfz9580m 18 hrs ago #59
Well far and beyond time to fight back by any means necessary. Six117 Yesterday #24
What would you have our Democrats do? I'm guessing you must have some PLAN of action... QueerDuck Yesterday #38
Sure. I'm sure when you go to work you wait for random people to tell you how to effectively do your job. Scrivener7 15 hrs ago #62
Even in the YouTube HFY stories on space adventures, the politician sending "Sternly Worded Letter" is present LiberalArkie Yesterday #25
Thank you, Walz. JBTaurus83 Yesterday #26
Directive, organization, humanpower and follow-through. More is definitely needed. twodogsbarking Yesterday #27
Dems are "prisoners of the norms, prisoners of the institutions." summer_in_TX Yesterday #30
That, and Dems need to understand that they are using a broken system to fix a broken system. OldBaldy1701E Yesterday #48
That is a great way to describe it. Scrivener7 15 hrs ago #61
He's right SunImp Yesterday #31
"he says well why can't Democrats can "break the norms" for things like national healthcare" J_William_Ryan Yesterday #32
It's spot on. iemanja Yesterday #35
We've been furiously reading through The Marquess of Queensberry Rules of boxing hadEnuf Yesterday #34
"Weird." -- Walz on Trump, Couchhumper, MAGA and Project 2025 Kid Berwyn Yesterday #36
The same thing happened to Sarah Palin. ihaveaquestion Yesterday #50
that meme is bullshit bigtree Yesterday #39
Yes. Yelling "NERDS!" at Democrats. betsuni Yesterday #44
Fuck this shit, we need real opposition to the thug regime and their propaganda and we need it yesterday! Initech Yesterday #40
Oh, but strongly worded scolding of Democrats is really doing something. Everybody loves to be angry at Democrats. betsuni Yesterday #42
True. This performative "blame the Dems" reflex is a gift to the GOP. QueerDuck Yesterday #45
It's perfect. Convince your enemy to spend its time attacking itself as the enemy. betsuni Yesterday #46
I agree with you. OldBaldy1701E Yesterday #53
we fucking had a historical legislative session with historical legislative accomplishments bigtree 12 hrs ago #65
Umm... OldBaldy1701E 12 hrs ago #66
don't blame Democrats for that bigtree 12 hrs ago #69
It's amazing Dems every win anything Thew Yesterday #54
Understandable why this criticism resonates Deminpenn Yesterday #43
YES orangecrush Yesterday #47
AMEN, Tim. republianmushroom Yesterday #49
Oh no, the Posse is gonna go after Tim! luv2fly Yesterday #55
Uh oh! He's gonna get scolded by the cheerleaders! Orrex 23 hrs ago #57
A few years ago, LPBBEAR 17 hrs ago #60
PREACH!!!! ihaveaquestion 14 hrs ago #63
Democrats have been out of power in Congress for a while now bigtree 13 hrs ago #64
Hopium or Copium Aepps22 11 hrs ago #72
K&R spanone 11 hrs ago #70
Democratic leadership listen to Tim. Break the Norms! Be Bold. Clouds Passing 11 hrs ago #71
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