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Igel

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3. The umlaut doesn't induce rounding.
Sun Mar 22, 2026, 02:02 PM
Yesterday

It induces fronting.

/ u / is rounded, high and back in the mouth. The IPA / y / is rounded, high, but front in the mouth. French < ou > v < u >.

Same for / o /, rounded, back, and mid versus the umlauted variety: both are rounded and mid, but the umlauted variety is fronted. French also has both phones.

/ a / is a bit different because the low vowel space is more constrained. You'd think the fronted or 'umlauted' version would be /ae/ (as a single glyph) but instead it's raised in most dialects into the phonetic space occupied historically by some mid-front unrounded vowel. Maybe it resulted in a (likely) push chain that caused speakers to merge the mid-front unrounded vowels to make space, maybe it merged with one of the unrounded front vowels.

Usually the German umlaut resulted from compensatory lengthening, so that the resulting vowel was lengthened and fronted. (We had lengthening in English from loss of final < e > (for want of a better representation), and in some cases it did affect the vowel quality and not just vowel length. In some cases the change was levelled, in some classes cut-syllable timing did the trick or tri-syllabic shortening overrode the outcome. But it's been a long time since I looked at English historical phonology; my German h.r. is much more recent.

How rounded front vowels are borrowed into other languages or how they change over time within a language varies in ways I can't explain and haven't always seen explained satisfactorily. Take "revue", with its / y / (same as umlauted < u &gt . In English it comes out as "you"; but in Czech it's "ee". "Revue" might be "ree-'vyue" in English, but it's clearly "'reh-vee" in Czech.

(But I'm a physic sciences high school teacher, so what do I know?)

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The... 2naSalit Yesterday #1
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The umlaut doesn't induce rounding. Igel Yesterday #3
Can I call you ... ? Bavorskoami Yesterday #4
Thanks for the in depth insight jimmy the one Yesterday #7
I disagree with two specific points in your guide, concerning o umlaut and a umlaut u, and a few other general points Emrys Yesterday #9
I guess I was wrong jimmy the one 10 hrs ago #11
Well, yes, I studied German at UK A-level (in which I somehow got an A grade), Emrys 10 hrs ago #13
Why are asteroids in the sky and... Dread Pirate Roberts Yesterday #5
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Since your ipad does not have an umlaut, can you imagine the late nineteenth century? LeftInTX Yesterday #8
Miller Mueller Muller jimmy the one 8 hrs ago #15
Your iPad has an umlaut spinbaby Yesterday #10
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While I Have Since Childhood Been Fascinated By Etymology, Your Last..... ColoringFool 10 hrs ago #12
I think the Koch brothers and Ed Koch would agree Emrys 8 hrs ago #17
Jesus. nt LexVegas 10 hrs ago #14
Because if you break the law e comes after u.... Another Jackalope 8 hrs ago #18
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