Trump "... started a war without a plan, wasted billions of dollars in equipment, failed to prepare obvious targets

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11. We need to consider the plight of the Iranian people

Iranians judge. They and they alone have the final say about whether the unintentional collateral loss of innocent life (roughly 150 schoolkids) in their country was a necessary price for their chance at freedom from tyranny.

Remember, there was a brutish, sadistic, intentional murder of tens of thousands of liberal and progressive Iranian protesters (our true friends and allies as Democrats). Those innocent liberal and progressive victims are justly and accurately called "murder" victims.

They were murdered by far right, theocratic, homophobic, patriarchal, crony oligarchic bigots, the Iranian Islamic Republic regime. It can't be seen clearly and justly in any other way, imo. It's cut and dried.

The Islamic Republic regime dwarfs anything or anyone else in rottenness and (a term I use sparingly) evil. There is no moral or even vaguely respectable position that fails to want the Iranian Islamic Republic regime to lose. (That's an unnecessary reminder to folks with a functioning conscience like present company in this board and in the Democratic Party.)

Do I like that Trump destroyed the Iran nuclear agreement we achieved under Obama? Of course not. But we are where we are, and we need to win if possible. I think no true Dem, completely informed, wants anything else. The Iranian Islamic Republic regime can never have a nuclear weapon. I don't think any of us will be happy or safe if Trump fails to ensure that.